Post-Game Talk: NHL Entry Draft 2015 - Bruins Report Card
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Hamill, Caron, and Colborne were all "safe" picks. Happy to see them taking some chances in the 1st round instead.
Is it true they snagged someone Chiarelli wanted at 16, prompting him to trade out?
Is it true they snagged someone Chiarelli wanted at 16, prompting him to trade out?
talkinaway
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Just a thought I'm spit-balling out there: could most of these draft picks be for expansion draft protection? We all know expansion is coming. In that case, there might be something said for "poisoning the well" and creating a team that will be very young and inexperienced come summer 2017 if/when the expansion draft comes.
Contracting the core will let the Bruins protect more core players - there's no doubt in my mind that if the expansion draft had been with the roster 3-4 days ago, Hamilton and Lucic would have been protected. That's one extra forward and defenseman that you get to protect, and the Las Vegas Aces and Seattle Noarenas will have more favorable options from the 29 other teams - and even our "best" unprotected player may be pretty bad.
Plus, with or without Hamilton/Lucic, I don't think we were ever going to win the cup, and even the playoffs were a stretch.
All that said, I don't think the draft went well. We didn't get enough for Lucic and Hamilton. Probably shouldn't have traded Hamilton. And we couldn't package a deal to get the 3-5th spot that we wanted to get Hanifin.
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Contracting the core will let the Bruins protect more core players - there's no doubt in my mind that if the expansion draft had been with the roster 3-4 days ago, Hamilton and Lucic would have been protected. That's one extra forward and defenseman that you get to protect, and the Las Vegas Aces and Seattle Noarenas will have more favorable options from the 29 other teams - and even our "best" unprotected player may be pretty bad.
Plus, with or without Hamilton/Lucic, I don't think we were ever going to win the cup, and even the playoffs were a stretch.
All that said, I don't think the draft went well. We didn't get enough for Lucic and Hamilton. Probably shouldn't have traded Hamilton. And we couldn't package a deal to get the 3-5th spot that we wanted to get Hanifin.
#FireNeely
Montecristo
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brodin as well, but you're right. he was a reach and even if its taking a while to become a big time player, he has turned out better than others expected to have been taken at that spot.
BostonBob
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Well don't leave us hanging - what happened to the Bergeron kid ????
While I agree that way too many Bruins fans here are overreacting to what has happened over the last 24 hours you gotta remember one thing - this is a hockey forum. If you don't want to read reactions to Bruin trades / possible trades and draft picks then maybe you should keep away from this sort of site.
Trap Jesus
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If I'm just looking at the picks in a vacuum, not considering how the Bruins acquired some of those picks, I'd give it a C, which is actually pretty incredible considering how they started.
I really have no complaints about Day 2. There were a couple great bargain picks in there (notably Gabrielle and Carlo), and no egregious reaches. They also got a good mix of positions and playing styles.
Round 1, I had no problems with Zboril. That was a solid pick. But the next two were just flat-out awful. Unless the Soo REALLY masked Senyshen's game/potential, I don't see either having the upside that warrants the kind of reach like they did with those two. Hopefully at least 1 can pan out. It is so tough to find NHL talent with any type of consistency outside of the 1st round. You have to hit on these picks, which is the reason I drop it to a C at this point.
I really have no complaints about Day 2. There were a couple great bargain picks in there (notably Gabrielle and Carlo), and no egregious reaches. They also got a good mix of positions and playing styles.
Round 1, I had no problems with Zboril. That was a solid pick. But the next two were just flat-out awful. Unless the Soo REALLY masked Senyshen's game/potential, I don't see either having the upside that warrants the kind of reach like they did with those two. Hopefully at least 1 can pan out. It is so tough to find NHL talent with any type of consistency outside of the 1st round. You have to hit on these picks, which is the reason I drop it to a C at this point.
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The Bruins organization seemed to have gone in with a clear agenda for their 2015 draft and they seemed to have targeted the players they were hoping to draft in order to solidify their identity for the near future.
For this reason I am giving them an A.
For this reason I am giving them an A.
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Thread for if you stand with Donny, Cam, and JFJ and like the moves.
Lucic was getting progressively lazier and Hamilton is soft as butter and bad on D our moves are growing on me Im not going to lie.
Like everyone else I'd prefer a bigger return on Hamilton given his age and offensive stats but there was no option to trade him for an equal talent on a team friendly contract. "More" = a combination of 2016 or further out draft picks, marginal prospects not worth Hamilton, a vet with a high cap hit. Which means we either don't clear space take a risk on a lesser talent or have to wait longer for the development of the draft pick (s.)
2 guys who didn't want to be here and in particular didn't want the pressure of playing up to a monster contract in this market leave and we sign McQuaid to a very cheap contract and get 9-10 nice new peices if you total up our own picks in the first 4 rounds and the return from the Kings and Flames. Honestly I don't think Sweeney was lying when he said that Hamilton didn't want us to match an offer sheet were he to sign one. And Lucic wants a big pay day and probably would prefer it be in a lower pressure market IE Horton. We'll be fine good weekends work if you ask me.
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Lucic was getting progressively lazier and Hamilton is soft as butter and bad on D our moves are growing on me Im not going to lie.
Like everyone else I'd prefer a bigger return on Hamilton given his age and offensive stats but there was no option to trade him for an equal talent on a team friendly contract. "More" = a combination of 2016 or further out draft picks, marginal prospects not worth Hamilton, a vet with a high cap hit. Which means we either don't clear space take a risk on a lesser talent or have to wait longer for the development of the draft pick (s.)
2 guys who didn't want to be here and in particular didn't want the pressure of playing up to a monster contract in this market leave and we sign McQuaid to a very cheap contract and get 9-10 nice new peices if you total up our own picks in the first 4 rounds and the return from the Kings and Flames. Honestly I don't think Sweeney was lying when he said that Hamilton didn't want us to match an offer sheet were he to sign one. And Lucic wants a big pay day and probably would prefer it be in a lower pressure market IE Horton. We'll be fine good weekends work if you ask me.
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PrisonMike
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Im 50/50 on the moves, but will not judge and over react either way until we see exactly how all these moves turn out this upcoming season. Give them a chance to do their job.
Gator Mike
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The only part of the weekend that bothers me is that I still don't think they got all they could have for Hamilton. But the idea to trade him? I'm actually OK with that. It's just my opinion, but I think there's some Jay Bouwmeester to him. I think he'll put up points for a long time, but I just think there's something missing. It's not just that I don't see an edge to his game, it's that I don't see any signs he'll develop that edge.
Beyond that... Lucic had to go. Not because I think he's a bad player, but because we can't afford him and we can't afford to lose him for nothing in return.
This weekend has been a long time in the making. It took a lot of mistakes to get us here, and we've paid a penance. But to take a step back in order to move forward I think will be healthy for us in the long term.
Beyond that... Lucic had to go. Not because I think he's a bad player, but because we can't afford him and we can't afford to lose him for nothing in return.
This weekend has been a long time in the making. It took a lot of mistakes to get us here, and we've paid a penance. But to take a step back in order to move forward I think will be healthy for us in the long term.
DitClapper
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Lucic was getting progressively lazier and Hamilton is soft as butter and bad on D our moves are growing on me Im not going to lie.
Like everyone else I'd prefer a bigger return on Hamilton given his age and offensive stats but there was no option to trade him for an equal talent on a team friendly contract. "More" = a combination of 2016 or further out draft picks, marginal prospects not worth Hamilton, a vet with a high cap hit. Which means we either don't clear space take a risk on a lesser talent or have to wait longer for the development of the draft pick (s.)
2 guys who didn't want to be here and in particular didn't want the pressure of playing up to a monster contract in this market leave and we sign McQuaid to a very cheap contract and get 9-10 nice new peices if you total up our own picks in the first 4 rounds and the return from the Kings and Flames. Honestly I don't think Sweeney was lying when he said that Hamilton didn't want us to match an offer sheet were he to sign one. And Lucic wants a big pay day and probably would prefer it be in a lower pressure market IE Horton. We'll be fine good weekends work if you ask me.
The Lucic deal was great, even though I'm sad to see him go. I don't think anyone here thought the Hamilton deal was good. Calling it trash would be a compliment.
TCL40
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The only part of the Lucic deal was the retention of some of his salary but it's only for a year and a year where I think the Bruins are unlikely to seriously contend anyway.
We got some good value for a player we likely could t have kept on the roster (and I see Looch seeking out the pay day rather than the local deal). I think he will fit nicely with the Kings and I think what we got in return was very good (I think you can make the case that the Kings got the short end of the deal since they may not be able to keep him either).
I voted C. Mainly because the prospect trade off doesn't come close to Lucic and Dougies value as of right now. They can surprise people. I didn't think anything much of the Pasta pick last year... He turned out to be a steal and huge success.
JEM28
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It's easy to get over. Think about paying him the $6-$7m he wanted and think about how he played like a $3m player at best last year. Then you'll understand the move.
JEM28
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Getting rid of dougie, if he truly was looking for $7m was the right move. The return was decent but I'd have thought he would have returned more, even though I believe he is waaaaayyy overrated.
LouJersey
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Still in shock of the grading here.
Zboril, Carlo and Lauzon are all high end, tough, skilled defenders. They project to 2-4 defensemen and will all be hitting at about the same time. All can move the puck out of the zone.
Debrusk and Senyshyn can score. Legit top two line wingers, that can score,,and grind. Wait until Zach becomes more of a focal point this year in the Soo.
Darth Vladar was the second ranked International goalie, and is 6-5 and coming over to play in the USHL. Was ranked 47 overall by McKenzie,
JFK sounds a lot like #37 when he was drafted. Another right handed center man, who possesses a high level of hockey intelligence and plays with intensity
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=115158#sthash.uvx9kbo5.dpuf
Gabrielle's favorite team is Boston and his favorite player is Marchand..Sounds like a more aggressive Paille who will help in the bottom 6 in time.
Hughes has a lot of potential as well... Buried on a Wisconsin team that needs to win immediately he went 21-36-57 in the AJHL the year before..Ranked 71 in RLR and style compares to David Krejci.
7th round is a big kid who dominated HS going to Wisconsin as well...
Also picke dup two picks in 2016.
Nothing not to like here. At all IMO...
Zboril, Carlo and Lauzon are all high end, tough, skilled defenders. They project to 2-4 defensemen and will all be hitting at about the same time. All can move the puck out of the zone.
Debrusk and Senyshyn can score. Legit top two line wingers, that can score,,and grind. Wait until Zach becomes more of a focal point this year in the Soo.
Darth Vladar was the second ranked International goalie, and is 6-5 and coming over to play in the USHL. Was ranked 47 overall by McKenzie,
JFK sounds a lot like #37 when he was drafted. Another right handed center man, who possesses a high level of hockey intelligence and plays with intensity
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=115158#sthash.uvx9kbo5.dpuf
Gabrielle's favorite team is Boston and his favorite player is Marchand..Sounds like a more aggressive Paille who will help in the bottom 6 in time.
Hughes has a lot of potential as well... Buried on a Wisconsin team that needs to win immediately he went 21-36-57 in the AJHL the year before..Ranked 71 in RLR and style compares to David Krejci.
7th round is a big kid who dominated HS going to Wisconsin as well...
Also picke dup two picks in 2016.
Nothing not to like here. At all IMO...
Daishi
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You might have a job on the Bruins waiting for you. I mean, you're smarter than everyone else in the hockey world, so you'll fit right in.
It's like it doesn't matter at all to you that better trades would've been available to the ones made, or that better draft selections would've been possible than the ones made. To you it's irrelevant if you missed a star player, or two or three, because the player you drafted is 'a good hockey player so no worries'. Let me break it down to you man. The entire top 100 players of every draft class are good hockey players with varying degrees of upside. It doesn't mean you have to pick from the bottom of the pile.
DitClapper
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Gator Mike
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With all due respect, you also don't compile a list of players the "experts" like and choose the guy with the lowest number when it's your turn.
