GDT: NHL Draft 2023

[PK Cronin]

It'll happen as soon as Sorokin leaves. Listen us Habs fans are the perfect people to emphasize with your situation, we were living it for 10 years. A superstar goalie bringing a very mid team to the playoffs and not winning anything. Eventually you have to face facts and realize you're going nowhere and that superstar goalie is more of a hindrance to progress. Sorokin will probably see the writing on the wall and sign with a contending, younger team in 2024. Once that happens, the rebuild will be forced to begin. It's a tough bullet to swallow but if we're putting all the cards on the table, this is inevitable in the short term especially with sorokin

Until then the Islanders aren't rebuilding so Dobson won't be moved. The proposed trade, even in a bubble, is underwhelming from an Islanders perspective. Montreal needs to add, significantly.

Also, just for clarity, this Islanders team has made the playoffs four out of five years with three different starting goaltenders. I don't think this is exactly the same situation Montreal had.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Convincing us that the Isles need a rebuild doesn't accomplish anything. You'll have to convince Lou to rebuild. If you want to contact him, he posts as "Hyman Roth" in a popular Lawrence Welk Show chatroom. But the first thing he'll wonder is why he would deal a 23 year old player for a pick?

Lol. But Lou is a dinosaur that interested in winning now not rebuilding to win when he's in the grave

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Until then the Islanders aren't rebuilding so Dobson won't be moved. The proposed trade, even in a bubble, is underwhelming from an Islanders perspective. Montreal needs to add, significantly.

Also, just for clarity, this Islanders team has made the playoffs four out of five years with three different starting goaltenders. I don't think this is exactly the same situation Montreal had.

I hope you can at least agree that Islanders will never win a cup with the core they have. Which sucks cause your division is full of unlikeable teams, the Islanders being the only other okay team besides the jackets to cheer for in the metro. Between picking dal colle and Reinhart way back when, the isles never really had a proper rebuild post Tavares draft. They've just been a mid team throughout the years and lucked out on Boston using their 3 2015 picks in nothing instead of barzal. You e had to endure Millbury, Snow, and now Lou. Aren't you guys tired of mediocrity? Habs fan certainly were from Roy trade to the price unofficial retirement

 

[PK Cronin]

I hope you can at least agree that Islanders will never win a cup with the core they have. Which sucks cause your division is full of unlikeable teams, the Islanders being the only other okay team besides the jackets to cheer for in the metro. Between picking dal colle and Reinhart way back when, the isles never really had a proper rebuild post Tavares draft. They've just been a mid team throughout the years and lucked out on Boston using their 3 2015 picks in nothing instead of barzal. You e had to endure Millbury, Snow, and now Lou. Aren't you guys tired of mediocrity? Habs fan certainly were from Roy trade to the price unofficial retirement

I think you should probably find another board to post on.

Try this one instead: Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk

 

[scott99]

I wouldn’t want to trade Dobson to the Habs or any team. Defensemen take time to mature. Offensively he’s already kinda broken out with 100 points the last 2 years. Just needs to round out his game defensively and improve a little offensively. Offensively, I think he can be a 50+ point a year defensemen. Needs to play better defensively.

I also don’t see any defenseman in the top 5 to wait for to be equal to Dobson. IF Snow was still here, I could see something happening. He always gambled on draft day or the trade deadline. Hell, Dobson was part of the result of the Hamonic trade.

I wouldn’t want to trade Dobson to the Habs or any team. Defensemen take time to mature. Offensively he’s already kinda broken out with 100 points the last 2 years. Just needs to round out his game defensively and improve a little offensively. Offensively, I think he can be a 50+ point a year defensemen. Needs to play better defensively.

I also don’t see any defenseman in the top 5 to wait for to be equal to Dobson. IF Snow was still here, I could see something happening. He always gambled on draft day or the trade deadline. Hell, Dobson was part result of the Hamonic trade.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I wouldn’t want to trade Dobson to the Habs or any team. Defensemen take time to mature. Offensively he’s already kinda broken out with 100 points the last 2 years. Just needs to round out his game defensively and improve a little offensively. Offensively, I think he can be a 50+ point a year defensemen. Needs to play better defensively.

I also don’t see any defenseman in the top 5 to wait for to be equal to Dobson. IF Snow was still here, I could see something happening. He always gambled on draft day or the trade deadline. Hell, Dobson was part of the result of the Hamonic trade.

I wouldn’t want to trade Dobson to the Habs or any team. Defensemen take time to mature. Offensively he’s already kinda broken out with 100 points the last 2 years. Just needs to round out his game defensively and improve a little offensively. Offensively, I think he can be a 50+ point a year defensemen. Needs to play better defensively.

I also don’t see any defenseman in the top 5 to wait for to be equal to Dobson. IF Snow was still here, I could see something happening. He always gambled on draft day or the trade deadline. Hell, Dobson was part result of the Hamonic trade.

Dobson is still essentially an entire season away from hitting that 300 games played threshold. The second the Islanders trade the young right handed defenseman who has scored 51 and 49 points is the second they start looking for another one.

People are preaching that Lou needs to get this team younger and more in line with the current NHL but these learning curves are what is going to happen. We saw it happen with Romanov this season.

 

[doublechili]

It's ironic that there's a Dobson trade proposal the same day Pietrangelo, the guy Dobson is often compared to, wins the Cup.

 

[TeamKidd]

Even if we were to rebuild, dobson is a guy you rebuild around, not trade. that being said, LL would do no such thing. try again in 2 years and up the ante significantly.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Also, just for clarity, this Islanders team has made the playoffs four out of five years with three different starting goaltenders. I don't think this is exactly the same situation Montreal had.

The idea that Sorokin will want to move to a younger, contending team is pure projection.

 

[The Wahligator]

Dobson is still essentially an entire season away from hitting that 300 games played threshold. The second the Islanders trade the young right handed defenseman who has scored 51 and 49 points is the second they start looking for another one.

Agreed. Dobson gets a lot of hate, I’ve even been guilty of it myself at times this past season. The fact of the matter is though that there are less than 20 defensemen in the entire NHL with 100 points over the last 2 seasons and Noah’s doing it at 22/23 with an offensively inept team and powerplay. Giving up on this kid now would be a massive mistake.

If people thought the Toews outrage was bad, just imagine what it’d be if they moved Dobson and he puts up 65 pts in his sleep playing on a more skilled team.

 

[The Real JT]

Habs fan here. Ok let's deal here isles fans, even though it's my favourite team in the trip states area, the isles are a super old team, with a bad prospect pool and a withering present. It's gonna be a painful few years once they actually choose to rebuild. Sorokin will probably leave for a contender which will really help the rebuild after 2024, which both Gary and I are cheering for so the isles can kick the crap out of the rags, devils, pens, flyers, caps, and the canes (don't really care about jackets lol).


Since the Habs are probably getting Pierre Luc Dubois, almost completing their future top 6, they have the option of going for a future top pair D or top line F in this draft. So here's the question with all that context:

Would you trade Noah Dobson for the 5th overall pick in this year's draft

You seem polite and cheerful and even offered a backhanded compliment with your comparison to our rivals. Sorry but that’s just not gonna work. Your take on the Isles future is more pessimistic than even the least hopeful of us here.

And no, I didn’t answer your question.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I wouldn’t want to trade Dobson to the Habs or any team. Defensemen take time to mature. Offensively he’s already kinda broken out with 100 points the last 2 years. Just needs to round out his game defensively and improve a little offensively. Offensively, I think he can be a 50+ point a year defensemen. Needs to play better defensively.

I also don’t see any defenseman in the top 5 to wait for to be equal to Dobson. IF Snow was still here, I could see something happening. He always gambled on draft day or the trade deadline. Hell, Dobson was part of the result of the Hamonic trade.

I wouldn’t want to trade Dobson to the Habs or any team. Defensemen take time to mature. Offensively he’s already kinda broken out with 100 points the last 2 years. Just needs to round out his game defensively and improve a little offensively. Offensively, I think he can be a 50+ point a year defensemen. Needs to play better defensively.

I also don’t see any defenseman in the top 5 to wait for to be equal to Dobson. IF Snow was still here, I could see something happening. He always gambled on draft day or the trade deadline. Hell, Dobson was part result of the Hamonic trade.

Thoughts so solid, they were worth posting twice!

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

You seem polite and cheerful and even offered a backhanded compliment with your comparison to our rivals. Sorry but that’s just not gonna work. Your take on the Isles future is more pessimistic than even the least hopeful of us here.

And no, I didn’t answer your question.

My entire family lives in New York and I also have a decent amount of isles acquaintances. They see the isles as a team stuck in no man's land that needs to keep trying to buy another year of playoff contention as they don't have the pipeline to support a rebuild. Also they're tired of dinosaurs running the team. I feel for the isles. The canes are young. The Rangers are better. The devil's are young. The jackets are rebuilding. The pens are gonna be trash soon. The flyers are the flyers lol. The caps are a copy and paste situation with the pens. The isles seem to be in the same camp. I also see Sorokin testing 2024 FA and going to a younger contender probably in another division. I just don't see the silver lining, wish I did, but I don't

 

[MarsTBOW]

My entire family lives in New York and I also have a decent amount of isles acquaintances. They see the isles as a team stuck in no man's land that needs to keep trying to buy another year of playoff contention as they don't have the pipeline to support a rebuild. Also they're tired of dinosaurs running the team. I feel for the isles. The canes are young. The Rangers are better. The devil's are young. The jackets are rebuilding. The pens are gonna be trash soon. The flyers are the flyers lol. The caps are a copy and paste situation with the pens. The isles seem to be in the same camp. I also see Sorokin testing 2024 FA and going to a younger contender probably in another division. I just don't see the silver lining, wish I did, but I don't

Why Post anything on this? This is pure speculation and this is the LAST THING we want to happen... Gosh, it's Not something we want to get rolling out there to the Writers and Bloggers that we all know take info from this site and start the ball rolling.
It's not a Fait accompli with Ilya.
It's probably why Lou wants Varly to stay, to make Ilya more comfy with his friend...

 

[NC 1972]

My entire family lives in New York and I also have a decent amount of isles acquaintances. They see the isles as a team stuck in no man's land that needs to keep trying to buy another year of playoff contention as they don't have the pipeline to support a rebuild. Also they're tired of dinosaurs running the team. I feel for the isles. The canes are young. The Rangers are better. The devil's are young. The jackets are rebuilding. The pens are gonna be trash soon. The flyers are the flyers lol. The caps are a copy and paste situation with the pens. The isles seem to be in the same camp. I also see Sorokin testing 2024 FA and going to a younger contender probably in another division. I just don't see the silver lining, wish I did, but I don't

I think that view is shared by many here, however I don’t believe those in the know are prepared to cast off Dobson he’s a work in progress as are many young defensemen. And he’s certainly shown great promise!

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Pronman conducted a 7 round mock draft for The Athletic.

NHL Mock Draft: Corey Pronman picks all seven rounds

Corey Pronman projects every pick in the 2023 NHL Draft.

theathletic.com

Here's his thoughts on the Islanders:

I would like to say that I'm not inclined to see any of the final four picks being very likely. Just don't see these guys being Islander-style picks for the current staff. I also don't see some of them going as early as he indicates or whatsoever.

That said, if Riley Heidt is there at 49, you grab him and call it a day.

Looks like Pronman already did.

 

[doublechili]

Pronman conducted a 7 round mock draft for The Athletic.

NHL Mock Draft: Corey Pronman picks all seven rounds

Corey Pronman projects every pick in the 2023 NHL Draft.

theathletic.com

Here's his thoughts on the Islanders:
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I would like to say that I'm not inclined to see any of the final four picks being very likely. Just don't see these guys being Islander-style picks for the current staff. I also don't see some of them going as early as he indicates or whatsoever.

That said, if Riley Heidt is there at 49, you grab him and call it a day.

Looks like Pronman already did.

For Butch's sake I hope Pronman is wrong, otherwise we'll have Sister, Sissyov, Kostadinky and Ishyminniemouse.

 

[saintunspecified]

Pronman conducted a 7 round mock draft for The Athletic.

NHL Mock Draft: Corey Pronman picks all seven rounds

Corey Pronman projects every pick in the 2023 NHL Draft.

theathletic.com

That said, if Riley Heidt is there at 49, you grab him and call it a day.

Looks like Pronman already did.

There must be a character concern about Heidt if there's any thought that he'd be available at 49. I guess the U18s were bad for him, but one would think that might drop him towards the end of the 1st - not through much of the 2nd!

Maybe he doesn't pop off the screen, but he's got very good hockey sense. Maybe there's doubts about how far that can take him?

Good thing the Lightning don't have any draft picks, because Heidt is the the kind of Isaac-Howard type falling pick they'd probably grab on the way down.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

Pronman conducted a 7 round mock draft for The Athletic.

NHL Mock Draft: Corey Pronman picks all seven rounds

Corey Pronman projects every pick in the 2023 NHL Draft.

theathletic.com

Here's his thoughts on the Islanders:
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I would like to say that I'm not inclined to see any of the final four picks being very likely. Just don't see these guys being Islander-style picks for the current staff. I also don't see some of them going as early as he indicates or whatsoever.

That said, if Riley Heidt is there at 49, you grab him and call it a day.

Looks like Pronman already did.

The only thing I really like about Kostadinski, is his size. Everything I'm reading about him is that he's a fringe NHL player at best. Given how we really need to stack up the cupboard with high quality prospects, I'd avoid him.

Don't know much about the other three guys though.

 

[leeroggy]

One mock here has us taking Danny Nelson at 49 . . . seems his rankings are all over the place (seems to have a lot of Brock in his game):

Danny Nelson - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Danny Nelson, 2005-08-03 Maple Grove, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the NCAA with Univ. of Notre Dame. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[MarsTBOW]

One mock here has us taking Danny Nelson at 49 . . . seems his rankings are all over the place (seems to have a lot of Brock in his game):

Danny Nelson - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Danny Nelson, 2005-08-03 Maple Grove, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the NCAA with Univ. of Notre Dame. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Is he committed to Notre Dame for College?
Seems like a very Solid Pick to me....

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

The only thing I really like about Kostadinski, is his size. Everything I'm reading about him is that he's a fringe NHL player at best. Given how we really need to stack up the cupboard with high quality prospects, I'd avoid him.

Don't know much about the other three guys though.

I don't believe he'll even be selected.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Is he committed to Notre Dame for College?
Seems like a very Solid Pick to me....

Check out post 180 from JUN 11.

There I wrote:

 

[leeroggy]

Check out post 180 from JUN 11.

There I wrote:

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Now we need to convince Paul Heyman to be their agents . . .

 

[The Real JT]

For Butch's sake I hope Pronman is wrong, otherwise we'll have Sister, Sissyov, Kostadinky and Ishyminniemouse.

I’m hoping it’s not Sisyphus.