GDT: NHL Draft 2023

Chapin Landvogt

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If this draft is as stocked as you say where there is that much marquee talent in the 2nd and guys like Pekarcik in the 3rd,would it make sense to trade down from #49 for a 2nd in the low to mid 50s and a 3rd rounder?

Oh, absolutely. No doubt about it.

If I'm the NYI, I wait until I'm up to bat. Some big fish WILL be dropping. I guarantee that there will be 2-3 players expected to go top 35 by most publications who will be there at 49.

I then take offers.

If I like one of the guys sooooo much, I take him unless a team is approaching us with some undeniable offer.

If I have a list of, say, 5-7 names I'd be very happy with who are still on the board, I look to drop back and add picks.

We have come to experience the NYI as a team that, come draft day, basically uses the picks it has. I think the move last summer to grab Romanov in the first round is the only draft weekend moving of a pick that we've seen during the Lamoriello era.

But I like a lot of guys in this draft who are going to be available between 45-100. Better to grab 2 or more of them if possible.

That's MHO.
 

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A guy that I've recently zeroed in on is Tanner Molendyk. Not crazy about his size (5'11 defenseman), but I really love his game. Speedy and heady who makes all the right plays.

Doubt he slips to 49, but if he's there, he should be someone the Isles look at.
 

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A guy that I've recently zeroed in on is Tanner Molendyk. Not crazy about his size (5'11 defenseman), but I really love his game. Speedy and heady who makes all the right plays.

Doubt he slips to 49, but if he's there, he should be someone the Isles look at.
He is one of the guys I have penciled in too.

A recent mock at the Athletic, in which Wheeler, Pronman, and Bultman made picks based on who they think the teams *should pick* saw Molendyk go in Round 1:
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DraftPro's mock sees him at 24:
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Tankathon has him at 29.
McKeen's has him going 32.

So, ya, would be a good guy to take at 49.:popcorn:
 
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With the draft taking place in 17/18 days, I thought I'd share more thoughts on who may be available in the 2nd round should the Islanders use their pick at spot 49.

As mentioned a few times, the spot is one where I feel a few droppers will be hanging around at. When I mention dropper, I mean that kids who entered this past season being seen as likely first rounders have had a quiet winter or have one major knock that may see them slip in light of strong competition at the top, so they'll likely be available here.

The key names I have in mind are:
- Kasper Halttunen
- Charlie Stramel
- Theo Lindstein
- Andrew Cristall

The crimes:
- After an impressive 2022 U18 Worlds, the hulking Halttunen was strong at the U18s and killed it in the Finnish U20 league, but spent more than half the season in Liiga where he had one measely assist. More was expected.
- The extremely well-built Stramel was on the US U18 Worlds team already as a 16-year-old, then again the year after, but in both events in a supporting role. He had a very pedestrian freshman season this year for a poor Wisconsin team as a true freshman. Might have been better served with a season in the USHL first.
- Lindstein was a cog on the blueline for Sweden's U18 gold medal in 2022 as an underager. He was again a cog for silver this year. He's fairly young for this draft and played 38 games in the SHL this season, albeit for the relegated Brynäs team, for whom Ljungkrantz also played. He did little on the scoreboard, but got lots of ice time along the way and was dominant when he played for the junior squad.
- Cristall was strong at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup. He had a huge season in the WHL (95 points). He was a 2nd line contributor for bronze medal Canada at the U18 Worlds. He's ranked in the top 35 by basically eveyone. So, how could he fall this far in my book? Cristall is a fairly little tyke who is pretty doggone weak in the skating department for a guy that light. Seems to score everywhere despite that, but the draft is about projection and I'm thinking there are too many risers this year for a lot of the teams ahead of us to chance it on him, although Detroit (3) and Nashville (2) have multiple 2nd rounders right ahead of us, so they have room to chance it with a dropper like Cristall. But he's about the biggest name who could still be around in the 40s.

With this all said, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that, if the player is available at 49, the guy the Islanders could very well be targeting is OHL Brantford's Nick Lardis. He's a powerful skater with pretty good speed and great agility. He can lug the puck well around the offensive zone and makes great use of open ice. 25 goals and 46 points in just 33 games this past season are pretty sweet stats, but only paint part of the picture. The eye test tells me he looks like someone the Isles can envision on the ice with a Barzal and Horvat in a relatively short period of time. His skating looks like the kind we rarely see on the Island.

If you tend to think the Isles are gonna stay true to grabbing a Swede as early as possible, the names Nilsson, Nordh, Unger-Sörum, and Dower Nilsson should be ones to watch at this juncture. If around, Edstrom and Wahlberg would be even better, but I don't see them making it this far.

IRONY NATION:
Part of me can't help but look at USNTDP center Danny Nelson (a 6'3", 200-pounder from Minnesota who will be attending Notre Dame in the fall of 2024), who was very impressive in a 3rd line capacity at the U18 Worlds and who is a fairly young player for this draft, being the guy the Isles take for shit$ 'n giggles. He's actually a very legitimate pick at 49, especially for a team that doesn't have a 3rd rounder. Taking his name, size, home state, and soon-to-be college address into consideration, I mean you've gotta think the Isles are really, really, really considering him.

I'll look at later round targets as the draft approaches.
 
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- Lindstein was a cog on the blueline for Sweden's U18 gold medal in 2022 as an underager. He was again a cog for silver this year. He's fairly young for this draft and played 38 games in the SHL this season, albeit for the relegated Brynäs team, for whom Ljungkrantz also played. He did little on the scoreboard, but got lots of ice time along the way and was dominant when he played for the junior squad.
- Cristall was strong at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup. He had a huge season in the WHL (95 points). He was a 2nd line contributor for bronze medal Canada at the U18 Worlds. He's ranked in the top 35 by basically eveyone. So, how could he fall this far in my book? Cristall is a fairly little tyke who is pretty doggone weak in the skating department for a guy that light. Seems to score everywhere despite that, but the draft is about projection and I'm thinking there are too many risers this year for a lot of the teams ahead of us to chance it on him, although Detroit (3) and Nashville (2) have multiple 2nd rounders right ahead of us, so they have room to chance it with a dropper like Cristall. But he's about the biggest name who could still be around in the 40s.
I LOVE Lindstein's game. He honestly reminds me of Pelech the way he defends (maybe more intelligent with how he sees the game). Would not be opposed to taking him, would just like to see his offense develop a little bit more.

Cristall is such an interesting case. Everything I read about him says he's one of the more skilled players in the draft, but if he was a better skater he'd be a top 10 pick no doubt. Height isn't a factor for me these days, just skate well, and I feel like you can hang with just about anyone. Very high risk, but a very high reward.
 
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Found a mock that has us taking Mathieu Cataford at #49. Again, if this team can find a way to grab a few centers and defensemen, they're fine. No stupid picks please.
 

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Five prospects the Islanders spoke to at the combine:

1) Charlie Stramel
2) William Whitelaw
3) Maxim Strbak
4) Nate Danielson
5) Andrew Strathmann

Stramel was once viewed as a top10 prospect in this draft.
Whitelaw just seems like a kid who’s going to make it one day.

Nate Danielson they have ranked 30th but I see him more in the top20. Before we traded our pick for Horvat I thought Danielson was a guy the isles would love. He’s a candidate if we trade back into the first.
 

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Found a mock that has us taking Mathieu Cataford at #49. Again, if this team can find a way to grab a few centers and defensemen, they're fine. No stupid picks please.
I can guarantee you there will be a stupid pick. But there have been less in the last few years.
 

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Habs fan here. Ok let's deal here isles fans, even though it's my favourite team in the trip states area, the isles are a super old team, with a bad prospect pool and a withering present. It's gonna be a painful few years once they actually choose to rebuild. Sorokin will probably leave for a contender which will really help the rebuild after 2024, which both Gary and I are cheering for so the isles can kick the crap out of the rags, devils, pens, flyers, caps, and the canes (don't really care about jackets lol).


Since the Habs are probably getting Pierre Luc Dubois, almost completing their future top 6, they have the option of going for a future top pair D or top line F in this draft. So here's the question with all that context:

Would you trade Noah Dobson for the 5th overall pick in this year's draft
 

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Found a mock that has us taking Mathieu Cataford at #49. Again, if this team can find a way to grab a few centers and defensemen, they're fine. No stupid picks please.
I can guarantee you there will be a stupid pick. But there have been less in the last few years.
Again, lets hope to god this isn't another Ljungkrantz pick in the making

TSN's Craig Button released his list yesterday. Here are the guys he has around where we're picking:
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Five prospects the Islanders spoke to at the combine:

1) Charlie Stramel
2) William Whitelaw
3) Maxim Strbak
4) Nate Danielson
5) Andrew Strathmann


The Craig Button list released just yesterday has everyone here except Danielson listed AFTER pick 49.

Could get real interesting if most of these guys are still on the board when the team is up to bat.
 
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TSN's Craig Button released his list yesterday. Here are the guys he has around where we're picking:
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The Craig Button list released just yesterday has everyone here except Danielson listed AFTER pick 49.

Could get real interesting if most of these guys are still on the board when the team is up to bat.
On Tankathon, they have Danielson to Detroit with our pick
 

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Would you trade Noah Dobson for the 5th overall pick in this year's draft?

Straight up?

No. Can't see it happening.

Counterquestion.

How would a Habs fan feel about this expanded deal?:
To MON: Dobson, Bolduc
To NYI: 5th overall, Barron, Roy, and Norlinder

On Tankathon, they have Danielson to Detroit with our pick

And that's surely where Cataford -> Isles was sited recently too.

It's a fun tool, but there's no heavy analyzing of draft trends or tendencies involved.
 

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Straight up?

No. Can't see it happening.

Counterquestion.

How would a Habs fan feel about this expanded deal?:
To MON: Dobson, Bolduc
To NYI: 5th overall, Barron, Roy, and Norlinder



And that's surely where Cataford -> Isles was sited recently too.

It's a fun tool, but there's no heavy analyzing of draft trends or tendencies involved.
Their football drafts are pretty bad once they go below Top 5
 

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Straight up?

No. Can't see it happening.

Counterquestion.

How would a Habs fan feel about this expanded deal?:
To MON: Dobson, Bolduc
To NYI: 5th overall, Barron, Roy, and Norlinder
Honestly I don't see that happening. Roy is probably going to be a really good 3rd liner in the NHL. There's a reason he went 1st overall in the QMJHL draft. So I'd exclude Roy and Bolduc from the trade cause it's kinda a wash. So it'd probably be Dobson for Barron, Norlinder, and the 5th OA pick. That'd be an okay trade but I can see Kent Hughes trying to trade Harris instead of Barron just because of the logjam at LD for the Habs with Guhle, Xhekaj, and Hutson coming up in a year
 

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Habs fan here. Ok let's deal here isles fans, even though it's my favourite team in the trip states area, the isles are a super old team, with a bad prospect pool and a withering present. It's gonna be a painful few years once they actually choose to rebuild. Sorokin will probably leave for a contender which will really help the rebuild after 2024, which both Gary and I are cheering for so the isles can kick the crap out of the rags, devils, pens, flyers, caps, and the canes (don't really care about jackets lol).


Since the Habs are probably getting Pierre Luc Dubois, almost completing their future top 6, they have the option of going for a future top pair D or top line F in this draft. So here's the question with all that context:

Would you trade Noah Dobson for the 5th overall pick in this year's draft

The Islanders haven't chosen to rebuild yet, why would they move Dobson for a future at this juncture?
 

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The Islanders haven't chosen to rebuild yet, why would they move Dobson for a future at this juncture?
Because Canadians think they are the be all and end all of hockey knowledge . . . like Northeastern lacrosse journalists . . . :laugh:
 

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The Islanders haven't chosen to rebuild yet, why would they move Dobson for a future at this juncture?
It'll happen as soon as Sorokin leaves. Listen us Habs fans are the perfect people to emphasize with your situation, we were living it for 10 years. A superstar goalie bringing a very mid team to the playoffs and not winning anything. Eventually you have to face facts and realize you're going nowhere and that superstar goalie is more of a hindrance to progress. Sorokin will probably see the writing on the wall and sign with a contending, younger team in 2024. Once that happens, the rebuild will be forced to begin. It's a tough bullet to swallow but if we're putting all the cards on the table, this is inevitable in the short term especially with sorokin

Because Canadians think they are the be all and end all of hockey knowledge . . . like Northeastern lacrosse journalists . . . :laugh:
Read my post below. The Islanders are the 2010s Habs incarnate. Failed to win because a superstar goalie is dragging a super mid team to 2nd and 3rd Rds at most but normally 1st Rd exits
 

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It'll happen as soon as Sorokin leaves. Listen us Habs fans are the perfect people to emphasize with your situation, we were living it for 10 years. A superstar goalie bringing a very mid team to the playoffs and not winning anything. Eventually you have to face facts and realize you're going nowhere and that superstar goalie is more of a hindrance to progress. Sorokin will probably see the writing on the wall and sign with a contending, younger team in 2024. Once that happens, the rebuild will be forced to begin. It's a tough bullet to swallow but if we're putting all the cards on the table, this is inevitable in the short term especially with sorokin


Read my post below. The Islanders are the 2010s Habs incarnate. Failed to win because a superstar goalie is dragging a super mid team to 2nd and 3rd Rds at most but normally 1st Rd exits
Convincing us that the Isles need a rebuild doesn't accomplish anything. You'll have to convince Lou to rebuild. If you want to contact him, he posts as "Hyman Roth" in a popular Lawrence Welk Show chatroom. But the first thing he'll wonder is why he would deal a 23 year old player for a pick?
 
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