GDT: NHL Draft 2023

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For the love of goodness, please draft this fella. Will gladly buy his jersey asap!!!!!!!!!
To this day, the theme from that show (same is true for the theme to taxi) relaxes me instantly. Probably 2 of the shows that whose reruns were on most often in my childhood. Tho, I have to say, I often switched out of The Odd Couple, but watched all of Taxi.

Fun fact: the name is spelled 'Unger' in the TV show while it is 'Ungar' in the Neil Simon play upon which the show is based. From what I can tell, 'Ungar' has one origin (meaning 'from Hungary'), but 'Unger' also has that origin, but also possibly others.
 
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To this day, the theme from that show (same is true for the theme to taxi) relaxes me instantly. Fun fact: the name is spelled 'Unger' in the TV show while it is 'Ungar' in the Neil Simon play upon which the show is based. From what I can tell, 'Ungar' has one origin (meaning 'from Hungary'), but 'Unger' also has that origin, but also possibly others.

Well, the Swedish word for "Hungary" is "Ungern".

But a Hungarian is "ungrare".

Should somehow be related though...
 
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Well, the Swedish word for "Hungary" is "Ungern".

But a Hungarian is "ungrare".

Should somehow be related though...
Yeah, I think that's most of it.

In the US nearly all Ungars are of Central European Jewish ancestry. Many Ungers are also Jewish, but many aren't.
 

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Yeah, I think that's most of it.

In the US nearly all Ungars are of Central European Jewish ancestry. Many Ungers are also Jewish, but many aren't.
Not him . . .
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He's a fine prospect and I'd thoroughly understand a grabbing him around 50 if he is available there. And he likely would be if it were still February.

There are agencies that see him as a late 1st rounder now. A sound, but unspectacular winter was followed by his very strong U18 performance, which has clearly boosted his standing. In some cases, considerably (even if no-one rose as much as Slovakia's Pekarcik).

Edstrom is one of a handful of players who's newfound status is likely going to lead to some other names dropping down the list, and they'll then be more likely to be available at 49 than Edstrom.

There are number of players I'm hoping will be available at 49 who were more highly touted this time last year and, perhaps for no real doing of their own other than "quiet winters", look like they're being pushed back by the Edstrom's of the world.

As far as Europeans are concerned, I'd love to see the NYI have a crack at Halttunen or Lindstein at 49. They would be examples of more realistically hopeful "droppers".
So Crazy you brought up Theo Lindstein! He’s the one defenseman (besides Pellika) I really liked when I noticed Edstrom for team Sweden. He reminded me of Leddy.
 

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So Crazy you brought up Theo Lindstein! He’s the one defenseman (besides Pellika) I really liked when I noticed Edstrom for team Sweden. He reminded me of Leddy.

I believe he may be available. And he's a guy who came into this season looking like a first rounder.

I'd certainly be ecstatic to see the team grab him there, if he's available.

Don't know how much of a role it'll play that this draft is forward-heavy and even has a lot more interesting goalie options than most recent drafts.
 
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Good thing for them it's not that a Hungarian is "hungrare". :wg:

Indeed!

Wanna hear something really wild?

In German, the word for Hungary is (very similar to Swedish) "Ungarn".

But if you say "the Hungarians", it's "die Ungarn".

Yep. Same word.

And that's the case for the country name for Sweden as well.

There's "Schweden" and "die Schweden".

Not at all confusing, of course.

This is not, however, the rule for all country names and how you refer to people from the respective countries. These are but a few of the exceptions.
 
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I believe he may be available. And he's a guy who came into this season looking like a first rounder.

I'd certainly be ecstatic to see the team grab him there, if he's available.

Don't know how much of a role it'll play that this draft is forward-heavy and even has a lot more interesting goalie options than most recent drafts.
How does he compare to Odelius?
 

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How does he compare to Odelius?

Oh, Lindstein is clearly better. In a very similar mold, yes, but Lindstein is much further along at this point.

Heck, he not only played 37 SHL contests this season (Odelius didn't even take a regular shift in the HockeyAllsvenskan = 2nd pro circuit), but averaged over 22 minutes of ice time over the final three "crucial" relegation round games.

He's one of maybe 3 or 4 players who I "could see" being available at 49 where I'd be willing to say "You must take him" if he's available at 49.
 
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Indeed!

Wanna hear something really wild?

In German, the word for Hungary is (very similar to Swedish) "Ungarn".

But if you say "the Hungarians", it's "die Ungarn".

Yep. Same word.

And that's the case for the country name for Sweden as well.

There's "Schweden" and "die Schweden".

Not at all confusing, of course.

This is not, however, the rule for all country names and how you refer to people from the respective countries. These are but a few of the exceptions.


 

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Recent posts make me think of this, simultaneously the worst and greatest music video of all time. :laugh:

 

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I have a strong feeling that a goaltender is getting taken in the late rounds. Anyone else think the same? Just feel like we're a bit short on depth, and Skarek has underwhelmed for the most part.
 

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I have a strong feeling that a goaltender is getting taken in the late rounds. Anyone else think the same? Just feel like we're a bit short on depth, and Skarek has underwhelmed for the most part.

This draft has a fairly large number of goalies of note in comparison to most all other drafts of late, even if the first one off the board will almost certainly be on Day 2 of the event. I can see primarily 2 names going off the board in the 2nd round.

Several teams have a ton of picks, so I think there will be a few clubs taking 2.

In general, as stated in other posts (maybe even in this thread), if you've got less than the 7 picks allotted to you by the league, you shouldn't be in the habit of selecting goaltenders. For several reasons.

But the most important is that they take so incredibly long to develop to the point where they're an NHL option. They need to be signed and re-signed multiple times and then you have to invest as much schooling and playing time in them as possible.

And then when all is said and done, they usually end up being, well, a Skarek, or worse.

Let someone else do that when you have so little draft capital.

And always trust that a number of goalies who never get drafted will be fairly hot topics, usually out of the NCAA or Europe, when they're 23 or older.
 

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As promised...

Rankings according to my favorite indepent source:
Caden Price = 60
Martin Misiak = 80
Malinoski = 162
Higgins = 220
Lejon = Unranked (thus, not within the top 315)

As a sidenote, a few examples of guys my favorite source is high on that are ranked considerably lower in the mock draft module are:
G Jacob Fowler
D Hoyt Stanley
D Albert Wikman
D Carter Sotheran
D Eric Pohlkamp
F Felix Unger-Förum
D Gavin McCarthy

And just about all of the "midround" Russians, especially F Yegor Rimashevsky
Why is Felix Unger ranked significantly higher everywhere over a guy like Hannes Hellberg?
 

Chapin Landvogt

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Why is Felix Unger ranked significantly higher everywhere over a guy like Hannes Hellberg?

Who? :)

Well, that's actually a pretty fair question.

He got skipped over in his first year of eligibility and he's had fairly little international action for Sweden (which finally included him in some U19 events this year). And despite his strong offensive production in the U18 and U20 circuits the past two years, his SHL club has viewed him a grand total of one time.

That has a bit of weight. If a kid is thought to have the kind of skill that would warrant NHL interest, he's usually getting multiple views by the time he's 17. Not always, but usually.

So, this can mean a number of things, perhaps indicating other problems.

Hellberg's also coming from the esteemed Täby program, which has developed an absolutely insane amount of players who go on to play in one of the nation's top 3-4 pro leagues.

But in general, the U20 circuit's list of top 20 some scorers includes a lot of undrafted overagers and only one player who is a first eligible for next summer's draft. In fact, Boston's Dans Locmelis is the only draftee among the league's top 52(!) scorers, and he'd clearly have been on a pro team there if he weren't committed to UMASS next fall.

What would be an even better question is why not a soul talks about overager Theo Keilin. He had the best PPG rate in the U20 circuit for any player who played at least 18 games, putting up 48 points in 29 games. He also suited up for Skelleftea's SHL team 33 times. He was one of only 4 30-goal scorers there in his actual draft year. He's not even allll that small at 5'11", 182 lbs.

We can only assume that certain kids have certain fallacies that keep NHL teams from seeing any NHL possibilities at this phase in their careers.

Or one can purchase a subscription to InStat and look at as much footage as possible to see if you can tell why these kids aren't getting the type draft-talk love their overlying stats would indicate they should be.
 

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Okay Chapin, one more time without looking at rankings or making a trade:

#49 Koehn Ziemmer RW Prince George
#111 Brady Cleveland LD USNTDP
#145 Mazden Leslie RD Vancouver
#177 Austin Bernevik RW USNTDP
#209 Cole Knuble C Fargo
 

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Okay Chapin, one more time without looking at rankings or making a trade:

#49 Koehn Ziemmer RW Prince George
#111 Brady Cleveland LD USNTDP
#145 Mazden Leslie RD Vancouver
#177 Austin Bernevik RW USNTDP
#209 Cole Knuble C Fargo

My source of choice ranks them as follows:
Ziemmer = 71
Cleveland = 121
Leslie =144
Burnevik = 210
Knuble = 125

Sorry. At least Knuble was pretty good from a pick/rank standpoint.

Here's the latest one I did and, admittedly, I wanted to take a goalie late, but all of the 12 or so goalies I liked were gone by the time I got to the last few picks.

I started by dropping from 49 in a move with Nashville, getting 4 picks in return. Thus, the first Islander pick was 81.

Later, I made a move that sent a 4th rounder to PIT for a 6th and two 7ths.

Here are the picks and where my preferred source has these guys ranked:
81 Anton Wahlberg = 28
88 Felix Nilsson = 51
113 Jessi Nurmi = 90
145 Arttu Kärki = 73
159 Juraj Pekarcik = 78
162 Timur Mukhanov = 97
177 Yegor Klimovich = 107
209 Axel Landen = 118
214 Voytech Port = 158
217 Artyom Kashtanov = 147
221 Cole Knuble = 125

Mukhanov - I've seen this kid play and honestly, he's like a 2-inch smaller Bedard. Same game, just a tad bit smaller. Vicious hands.
 
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My source of choice ranks them as follows:
Ziemmer = 71
Cleveland = 121
Leslie =144
Burnevik = 210
Knuble = 125

Sorry. At least Knuble was pretty good from a pick/rank standpoint.

Here's the latest one I did and, admittedly, I wanted to take a goalie late, but all of the 12 or so goalies I liked were gone by the time I got to the last few picks.

I started by dropping from 49 in a move with Nashville, getting 4 picks in return. Thus, the first Islander pick was 81.

Later, I made a move that sent a 4th rounder to PIT for a 6th and two 7ths.

Here are the picks and where my preferred source has these guys ranked:
81 Anton Wahlberg = 28
88 Felix Nilsson = 51
113 Jessi Nurmi = 90
145 Arttu Kärki = 73
159 Juraj Pekarcik = 78
162 Timur Mukhanov = 97
177 Yegor Klimovich = 107
209 Axel Landen = 118
214 Voytech Port = 158
217 Artyom Kashtanov = 147
221 Cole Knuble = 125

Mukhanov - I've seen this kid play and honestly, he's like a 2-inch smaller Bedard. Same game, just a tad bit smaller. Vicious hands.
If Wahlberg slips to 81, that would be an absolute steal. Feel like he has an insane amount of potential.
 

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