GDT: NHL Draft 2023

[Chapin Landvogt]

There’s a rumor that his pro team is going to sign him through 2028. With this being a possibility, plus the Russia situation, plus him being 5’10” 160, plus his average skating, I can see Michkov falling out of the 1st round.

About all the way to spot 50?

 

[leeroggy]

About all the way to spot 50?

Can lightning strike twice in the same place?

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Can lightning strike twice in the same place?

Well, Raty wasn't thought of in quite as high a manner as Michkov is.

That's why he was still there at spot.... 52.

So, uh, let's go Hockey Gods, make it happen.

 

[scott99]

Can lightning strike twice in the same place?

Honestly, I don’t know if I wanna risk it. He may be stuck in Russia until 2028. Though most likely, a second round pick in 2023 probably doesn’t make the NHL until 2026 at the earliest. I don’t know. I’m torn. I’m also worried about his skating. When someone is 5’10” 170 (and that’s a stretch), you better have good speed, he doesn’t.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Honestly, I don’t know if I wanna risk it. He may be stuck in Russia until 2028. Though most likely, a second round pick in 2023 probably doesn’t make the NHL until 2026 at the earliest. I don’t know. I’m torn. I’m also worried about his skating. When someone is 5’10” 170 (and that’s a stretch), you better have good speed, he doesn’t.

I think pretty much EVERYONE in the business would say that if Michkov is there at 50, no matter what the worries, you take him and you don't look back.

They'd likely say that for any team who finds him there in the 2nd round, depending on who else may be dropping, if not the end of the 1st round.

But this said, if it weren't for his mid-40s dad being found dead in a pond recently (and thus, serious worries about what pressure he may be under), there's nothing about him or his size or his skating that would have him dropping out of that top 5-10 range, KHL contract be damned.

His goal-scoring and offensive generation abilities are undeniable, also in comparison to peers his age, past or present. No-one needs to fall into the "overanalyzation" trap.

The downgrading of prospects under the microscope and new "worries about their game" always pop up every year at this time, often for kids thought of as top 5-10 picks.

The smart people in the industry don't fall for that.

 

[periferal]

Not sure if this has been shared before, but for those of you that like mock drafts might enjoy it (I know I did with the NFL version)...


https://draftprospectshockey.com/draftsim/#/

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Not sure if this has been shared before, but for those of you that like mock drafts might enjoy it (I know I did with the NFL version)...


https://draftprospectshockey.com/draftsim/#/

It can be addictive!

Best one out there, although ultimately, some of the trades one can or cannot make break the boundaries of "realistic".

And, of course, there are a number of draft options that aren't included among the available players while there are bunch of players there who other independent scouting agencies/publications don't see as being realistic draft options whatsoever, much less where they're ranked here.

But overall, like you wrote, very fun for those who like mocks.

And you'll find yourself researching players in the process.

 

[leeroggy]

It can be addictive!

Best one out there, although ultimately, some of the trades one can or cannot make break the boundaries of "realistic".

And, of course, there are a number of draft options that aren't included among the available players while there are bunch of players there who other independent scouting agencies/publications don't see as being realistic draft options whatsoever, much less where they're ranked here.

But overall, like you wrote, very fun for those who like mocks.

And you'll find yourself researching players in the process.

I forgot about this, thanks Perif!

2nd Round - Beau Akey - RD - Barrie
4th Round - Alex Weiermair - C/RW - USNTDP
5th Round - Jaden Lipinski - C - Vancouver
6th Round - Emmanuel Vermette - LW - Chicoutimi
7th Round - Kalle Kangas - LD - Jokerit

Well Chapin, how does that look? Offensive RHD, Size . . . don't really know about their skating

 

[Osakahaus]

2nd round pick is basically gonna mean "pray on some random Finn to come to us" again

I wish we had more picks, but at least two of these guys have to pan out. We are in some dire need of good prospects

my assumption is that we're gonna take But or Moldendyk, which is an all time last name for a defenseman

 

[leeroggy]

2nd round pick is basically gonna mean "pray on some random Finn to come to us" again

I wish we had more picks, but at least two of these guys have to pan out. We are in some dire need of good prospects

View attachment 709722my assumption is that we're gonna take But or Moldendyk, which is an all time last name for a defenseman

Defenseman or gigolo?

 

[Osakahaus]

Defenseman or gigolo?

Defenseman. But a 6'5 winger would be neat also. Isles badly need a puckmover in the system also that isn't just Isaiah George

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

2nd round pick is basically gonna mean "pray on some random Finn to come to us" again

I wish we had more picks, but at least two of these guys have to pan out. We are in some dire need of good prospects

View attachment 709722my assumption is that we're gonna take But or Moldendyk, which is an all time last name for a defenseman

But would be a fine selection at 50.

Moldendyk too, but something tells me he's going top 40.

Still thinking this is a forward-heavy draft in general...

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

2nd Round - Beau Akey - RD - Barrie
4th Round - Alex Weiermair - C/RW - USNTDP
5th Round - Jaden Lipinski - C - Vancouver
6th Round - Emmanuel Vermette - LW - Chicoutimi
7th Round - Kalle Kangas - LD - Jokerit

Well Chapin, how does that look? Offensive RHD, Size . . . don't really know about their skating

Alright, should I be honest?

Like straight forward honest here?

Akey at 50 is prolly just about right as far as general rankings are concerned.

However, the agency or two I trust the most from a rankings standpoint only has Lipinski within the top 225, and even there we're talking about after the top 185. Weiermair is outside of the top 230 altogether and the other two aren't even ranked with an honorable mention.

But who knows, maybe they're all NHLers in 5 years' time?

 

[leeroggy]

Alright, should I be honest?

Like straight forward honest here?

Akey at 50 is prolly just about right as far as general rankings are concerned.

However, the agency or two I trust the most from a rankings standpoint only has Lipinski within the top 225, and even there we're talking about after the top 185. Weiermair is outside of the top 230 altogether and the other two aren't even ranked with an honorable mention.

But who knows, maybe they're all NHLers in 5 years' time?

Well, you are certainly right about their rankings. All of them were within 10 slots in their ratings when I picked them.

It's still a fun app to use. I didn't try any trades.

Given how I drafted, we might as well package 4, 5, 6 and 7 with Bailey to Chicago for their 7th . . . LOL

 

[Osakahaus]

But would be a fine selection at 50.

Moldendyk too, but something tells me he's going top 40.

Still thinking this is a forward-heavy draft in general...

If there is any priority still, its centerman/defenseman, but wingers can be fine also

 

[danteipp]

If there is any priority still, its centerman/defenseman, but wingers can be fine also

Ideally RHDs, since it is more of a dire need for the Isles pipeline, but still BPA overall.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

I generally dislike drafting to needs and prefer drafting best player available
When you are 4 years out from these guys playing then best player available is emphasized even more as needs change.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

I generally dislike drafting to needs and prefer drafting best player available
When you are 4 years out from these guys playing then best player available is emphasized even more as needs change.

I can't express how important this post is.

 

[doublechili]

I generally dislike drafting to needs and prefer drafting best player available
When you are 4 years out from these guys playing then best player available is emphasized even more as needs change.

Not to mention, if you draft the BPA and it works out that they're good 4 years later but you need another position, you trade the BPA guy for the position you need. If you need, say, a RW now and still need a RW in 4 years, you end up with a better RW by drafting the best asset up front and then trading it for a RW later.

 

[Osakahaus]

I generally dislike drafting to needs and prefer drafting best player available
When you are 4 years out from these guys playing then best player available is emphasized even more as needs change.

If the BPA is a goalie, do you take him?

 

[PK Cronin]

If the BPA is a goalie, do you take him?

Good question. They're notoriously hard to project so I'm not sure. The safe play would be to pass I think because there are significantly less goalie spots available and the whole purpose of dressing BPA is to allow for flexibility down the line.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

If the BPA is a goalie, do you take him?

goalies are hard to predict but if you are sure about the goalie being the best player available, then yes

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

If the BPA is a goalie, do you take him?

It's so hard to even know if a goalie is the BPA.

Rule of thumb in modern times:
If you think he's a unicorn and you're picking in the back half of the first round, take him.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I generally dislike drafting to needs and prefer drafting best player available
When you are 4 years out from these guys playing then best player available is emphasized even more as needs change.

The whole drafting for needs thing is basically with respect to high picks in which a team feels that primarily a forward or defenseman are of the same BPA value.

Then you might make a decision based on what your organization is in greater need of.

In addition, once you get past the 2nd and maybe the 3rd rounds, the picks are being made so quickly that the teams start relying almost entirely on the pre-made draft lists they have, not really having the time to debate who of all the remaining options is actually the BPA. They start gunning for specific targets they had lined up going into the draft.

I think an example of being on the board with several players of similar quality and then going with organizational needs was seen last summer when NJD took Nemec at #2 overall.

After one season, he surely looks to have been worthy of that selection. But so too has particularly Cooley while Gauthier has very much impressed (even has 6 goals at the men's WC right now) and Jiricek had a monster AHL season for a guy coming straight out of the draft.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

As a (possibly pleasant) sidenote, all of the mock draft thingies are now listing us with pick number 49 as opposed to 50.