GDT: NHL Draft 2023

[leeroggy]

As a (possibly pleasant) sidenote, all of the mock draft thingies are now listing us with pick number 49 as opposed to 50.

The downside is that it makes it harder to create a chant . . .

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

The downside is that it makes it harder to create a chant . . .

Agreed.

And thus, picking 49th isn't worth that kind of downside...

 

[leeroggy]

Agreed.

And thus, picking 49th isn't worth that kind of downside...

"Seven Squared" doesn't roll off the tongue like "We are 50".

Maybe I'll do another of those mocks today

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

"Seven Squared" doesn't roll off the tongue like "We are 50".

Maybe I'll do another of those mocks today

Do that.

Try some trades.

They'll spice things up.

I'll then let you know what ranks the picks of your choice have for the independent agency of my choice.

 

[leeroggy]

Do that.

Try some trades.

They'll spice things up.

I'll then let you know what ranks the picks of your choice have for the independent agency of my choice.

No trades yet

49th - Caden Price - LD - Kelowna
113th - Martin Misiak - RW - Youngstown USHL
145th - Hudson Malinoski - C - Brooks Bandits
177th - Ty Higgins - RD - Acadie-Bathurst
209th - Hugo Lejon - RW - Vasteras IK

 

[doublechili]

209th - Hugo Lejon - RW - Vasteras IK

That's a film noir leading character name right there.

"Hugo Lejon, Private Investigator".

"I was cheated, lied to, beat up and shot at, and that was all before my breakfast of stale coffee and an old cigarette from the ashtray."

 

[leeroggy]

That's a film noir leading character name right there.

"Hugo Lejon, Private Investigator".

"I was cheated, lied to, beat up and shot at, and that was all before my breakfast of stale coffee and an old cigarette from the ashtray."

That's not Hugo's life, that's MINE

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

No trades yet

49th - Caden Price - LD - Kelowna
113th - Martin Misiak - RW - Youngstown USHL
145th - Hudson Malinoski - C - Brooks Bandits
177th - Ty Higgins - RD - Acadie-Bathurst
209th - Hugo Lejon - RW - Vasteras IK

As promised...

Rankings according to my favorite indepent source:
Caden Price = 60
Martin Misiak = 80
Malinoski = 162
Higgins = 220
Lejon = Unranked (thus, not within the top 315)

As a sidenote, a few examples of guys my favorite source is high on that are ranked considerably lower in the mock draft module are:
G Jacob Fowler
D Hoyt Stanley
D Albert Wikman
D Carter Sotheran
D Eric Pohlkamp
F Felix Unger-Förum
D Gavin McCarthy

And just about all of the "midround" Russians, especially F Yegor Rimashevsky

 

[Osakahaus]

As promised...

Rankings according to my favorite indepent source:
Caden Price = 60
Martin Misiak = 80
Malinoski = 162
Higgins = 220
Lejon = Unranked (thus, not within the top 315)

As a sidenote, a few examples of guys my favorite source is high on that are ranked considerably lower in the mock draft module are:
G Jacob Fowler
D Hoyt Stanley
D Albert Wikman
D Carter Sotheran
D Eric Pohlkamp
F Felix Unger-Förum
D Gavin McCarthy

And just about all of the "midround" Russians, especially F Yegor Rimashevsky

This team hasn't drafted a russian since I believe Ishakov, so expect any CHL guys at that range. I do think BPA is the only option, but the defenseman makes sense as well at 49...unless a trade happens.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

This team hasn't drafted a russian since I believe Ishakov, so expect any CHL guys at that range.

The only thing I expect is that at least one of the 5 picks is coming from Sweden.

I do think BPA is the only option, but the defenseman makes sense as well at 49...unless a trade happens.

I posted on this in another thread, but I'll reiterate it here.

After the first 2, maybe 3 rounds, of the draft, the picks come so lightning quick that there's little sitting around trying to figure out who's the BPA at that moment.

The teams enter day 2 with lists of guys they're targeting and hope for at each instance of the draft, likely monitoring a few "this guy is now expectedly unexpectedly dropping" scenarios. As we only have a 2nd rounder among the top 96 picks just now, our staff will know exactly who they want and expect with the picks in rounds 4-7 when they sit down in the arena on the 29th, prolly with very little wavering from the list.

There could be some drama when they're up to bat at 49th, but I expect them to select very quickly in the later rounds.

With the incredible parity between the players available in this draft between say 20-60, I know that as a GM, I would be very curious about options to move back in the draft. Fact is, there are A LOT of teams with 9+ picks at this draft, and many like the Isles with 5 or less.

And I'd not only be open to moving back for more draft capital, but rather a number of already drafted players who several teams are going to be having trouble signing.

The downside to having gobs and gobs of picks for multiple years in a row is that you can't sign them all. You have to use some as trading Chips. And there are a handful of teams who find themselves in that situation, and who once again have lots of picks.

 

[IslesNorway]

I'm pretty sure that we'll be told that whoever's they draft at 49 would be much higher on their list.

"We can't believe he was available when our pick came round". Same as always.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I'm pretty sure that we'll be told that whoever's they draft at 49 would be much higher on their list.

"We can't believe he was available when our pick came round". Same as always.

To be fair, I don't recall hearing that when they selected Holmstrom...

 

[IslesNorway]

To be fair, I don't recall hearing that when they selected Holmstrom...

Such a reach wasn't he? At 49 you don't really have to reach.

 

[doublechili]

Such a reach wasn't he? At 49 you don't really have to reach.

If you're on the clock at 49 and the top available player on your list is generally considered to be a 3rd round pick, then you may need to reach if you love the kid and don't want to risk someone else reaching for him.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

If you're on the clock at 49 and the top available player on your list is generally considered to be a 3rd round pick, then you may need to reach if you love the kid and don't want to risk someone else reaching for him.

Especially considering we don't have a 3rd rounder either...

 

[The Real JT]

I’ll let everybody in on a secret.

Lou’s gonna trade all the picks except the 5th rounder. That’s where the value is.

 

[MattMartin]

D Hoyt Stanley
D Albert Wikman
D Carter Sotheran
D Eric Pohlkamp
F Felix Unger-Förum
D Gavin McCarthy

And just about all of the "midround" Russians, especially F Yegor Rimashevsky

For the love of goodness, please draft this fella. Will gladly buy his jersey asap!!!!!!!!!

 

[IslesNorway]

If you're on the clock at 49 and the top available player on your list is generally considered to be a 3rd round pick, then you may need to reach if you love the kid and don't want to risk someone else reaching for him.

Then there's something inherently wrong with your list, but if that really is the case, you trade down. Maybe not all the way to the middle 3rd but at least to the end of the 2nd or early 3rd and still get your guy.

The one this I'm absolutely sure of will happen is the Islanders will draft a player off the roster of one of their most touted prospects. They always do. This year Maggio has been a stud and I'm confidenct they'll pick up one of his teammates.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

The one this I'm absolutely sure of will happen is the Islanders will draft a player off the roster of one of their most touted prospects. They always do. This year Maggio has been a stud and I'm confidenct they'll pick up one of his teammates.

Agreed. That, and like I mentioned above, a Swede are all but guaranteed.

Although I'm gonna tip on it being a guy from Saginaw, where Lennox played. They have a handful of draft options this year, several kind of notable as late round options.

 

[doublechili]

Then there's something inherently wrong with your list, but if that really is the case, you trade down. Maybe not all the way to the middle 3rd but at least to the end of the 2nd or early 3rd and still get your guy.

IDK. I left wiggle room by saying a guy is "generally considered" to be a 3rd round pick, meaning there's always the risk someone else really likes him too. So maybe you take a bit of a risk and trade down just a handful of spots if you have an idea of who the next few teams like. But, if you really like a kid is it worth the (maybe) 4th round pick you get in a trade down deal to potentially lose him?

 

[SI90]

@Chapin Landvogt what’s your thoughts on David Edstrom? Do we have a shot at him with our pick in the 2nd round? Seems like a high upside center that doesn’t get a lot of attention.

 

[IslesNorway]

IDK. I left wiggle room by saying a guy is "generally considered" to be a 3rd round pick, meaning there's always the risk someone else really likes him too. So maybe you take a bit of a risk and trade down just a handful of spots if you have an idea of who the next few teams like. But, if you really like a kid is it worth the (maybe) 4th round pick you get in a trade down deal to potentially lose him?

I would say so. When you get to the middle of the 2nd round, there will always be someone who falls, like Raty, who is generally considered 1st round talent. I don't think you should take someone in the mid 2nd if the consensus is he's 3rd round talent, no matter how much you like him. Much better to move down, pick up another pick or two and get your guy. I'm not gonna be happy if the guy we take at 49 is someone ranked in the 70s by all the agencies.

By the time you get into round 3, the difference between players are negotiable. A team might have someone ranked 65th but another team has him going 6th round. The Islanders do have tendency of reaching in the 2nd round, and with some success. No one expected Bolduc to go where he did, Hamonic is another player who was taken well ahead of his rankes and they both worked out well. There have been others who have not worked out at all despite being supposedly good picks, like Wilde.

 

[Osakahaus]

@Chapin Landvogt what’s your thoughts on David Edstrom? Do we have a shot at him with our pick in the 2nd round? Seems like a high upside center that doesn’t get a lot of attention.

I would gladly get him if possible

 

[SI90]

I would gladly get him if possible

I only saw him in U18 tournament streams. He stuck out to me so much. Stenberg was the best player but after him I think Edstrom was definitely almost as noticeable. I’ve seen rankings with him all over the map so I wasn’t sure where he was projected to go. I saw 1 that had him as a first rounder and another that had him as a 3rd rounder. Seems like he’s a smart player with tons of upside. Similar to Raty actually but without the previous high ranking.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

@Chapin Landvogt what’s your thoughts on David Edstrom? Do we have a shot at him with our pick in the 2nd round? Seems like a high upside center that doesn’t get a lot of attention.

He's a fine prospect and I'd thoroughly understand a grabbing him around 50 if he is available there. And he likely would be if it were still February.

There are agencies that see him as a late 1st rounder now. A sound, but unspectacular winter was followed by his very strong U18 performance, which has clearly boosted his standing. In some cases, considerably (even if no-one rose as much as Slovakia's Pekarcik).

Edstrom is one of a handful of players who's newfound status is likely going to lead to some other names dropping down the list, and they'll then be more likely to be available at 49 than Edstrom.

There are number of players I'm hoping will be available at 49 who were more highly touted this time last year and, perhaps for no real doing of their own other than "quiet winters", look like they're being pushed back by the Edstrom's of the world.

As far as Europeans are concerned, I'd love to see the NYI have a crack at Halttunen or Lindstein at 49. They would be examples of more realistically hopeful "droppers".