GDT: NHL 24 Draft Combine June 3-8 NOT the trade, roster or KK thread

[Habs Halifax]

What if the scout works for the Dallas Stars while the others work for the Blue Jackets, Islanders and Senators?

Go ahead and support a 1/10 narrative. I for one would not take Sennecke 5th. It's a reach and a very bold move. Even more than Slaf over Wright.

If we take Sennecke, we are trading down or we are adding another pick.

Do you know why I like Bob's list the most? It's a calculated formula from several scouts. Not just 1. Understand why I say credible list now?

 

[Playmaker09]

There is some waives in consensus after Celebrini. Sennecke is on nobody's top 5 or even top 10. Not any credible list. Only lists fans and scout wantabees have.

How do you have a version of this conversation every year, yet still stick to this BS so stubbornly:

I value Bob's list. He talks to actual NHL scouts. Nemec was ranked 11th to start the year and 9th in Jan. I think he falls 5-10 range when the end of season rankings come out.

If not for a weak D group in this draft (Top 10 discussion), Nemec would not get any sniff of a top 5 discussion. Jiricek is the better choice and he is back from his injury looking just fine.

If you are considering Nemec from 2-4 where he likely belongs 5-10, it's a reach. You can make fun of that if you wish.

And then Nemec went 2nd.

Reach this, reach that...

 

[Andrei79]

Avoid your trigger words... coming in too hot.

Go look at what I said. I said no credible draft rank list has Sennecke in the top 5. You went to look at Bob's context and used the 1/10 cherry picked card. Bob has him 14th and so does McKeen. Consolidated rankings from Elite Prospects has him 19th. That is out of date I believe.

I like Sennecke but he is a top 6F. I have higher standards with the 5th pick. Is it impossible for Sennecke to be a top line talent? NO.... that basically supports your 1/10 narrative.

You said nobody had him top 5. Then added no credible list.

Whats the threshold for "somebody" and what's the threshold for "credible list".

It seems an NHL head scout doesn't count. So I'm curious to see what does.

 

[le_sean]

Go ahead and support a 1/10 narrative. I for one would not take Sennecke 5th. It's a reach and a very bold move. Even more than Slaf over Wright.

If we take Sennecke, we are trading down or we are adding another pick.

Do you know why I like Bob's list the most? It's a calculated formula from several scouts. Not just 1. Understand why I say credible list now?

I’m not supporting any narrative. I’m just supporting whoever the Habs pick.

Also note that Bob starts off his list by mentioning its wide open after 1. The next 5-6 teams might get their #2 rated prospect at their spot. Maybe Sennecke is someone’s #2 prospect. Who knows.

This is also a total of 10 scouts. Are they head scouts? Each organization has what, 10+ amateur scouts?

 

[McGees]

How do you have a version of this conversation every year, yet still stick to this BS so stubbornly:



And then Nemec went 2nd.

Reach this, reach that...

 

[Andrei79]

I’m not supporting any narrative. I’m just supporting whoever the Habs pick.

Also note that Bob starts off his list by mentioning its wide open after 1. The next 5-6 teams might get their #2 rated prospect at their spot. Maybe Sennecke is someone’s #2 prospect. Who knows.

This is also a total of 10 scouts. Are they head scouts? Each organization has what, 10+ amateur scouts?

Yeah, most of the guys Bob polls are head scouts or directors of player development.

 

[le_sean]

Yeah, most of the guys Bob polls are head scouts or directors of player development.

I would hope so. He has a lot of contacts. You don’t want to talk to the head of European scouting for a team because they will just rank the euros.

 

[Andrei79]

I would hope so. He has a lot of contacts. You don’t want to talk to the head of European scouting for a team because they will just rank the euros.

I remember he mentioned in the past that 9/10 scouts he talked were either head scouts or directors of player personnel. It's likely why his list is so accurate every year.

 

[Treb]

There is some waives in consensus after Celebrini. Sennecke is on nobody's top 5 or even top 10. Not any credible list. Only lists fans and scout wantabees have.

Won't be heartbreak. Shock. A difference.

That is incorrect.

Back in May, Bob Mckenzie said that at least one scout had Sennecke at 5.

Demidov, Levshunov, Silayev, Lindstrom, Parekh, Helenius, Dickinson, Buium, Yakemchuk and Sennecke were all named by at least one scout working for a NHL team as a top 5 pick.

 

[Justin11]

Go ahead and support a 1/10 narrative. I for one would not take Sennecke 5th. It's a reach and a very bold move. Even more than Slaf over Wright.

If we take Sennecke, we are trading down or we are adding another pick.

Do you know why I like Bob's list the most? It's a calculated formula from several scouts. Not just 1. Understand why I say credible list now?

Depending on how the first 4 picks go, there's a distinct possibility that Sennecke is selected at 5. Not saying it will happen, but prepare so that you save yourself a meltdown.

 

[McGees]

This is exact same as the buzz leading up to Slaf...
Then leading up to Reinbacher...
yet so many people here still thought they should/would pick Wright/Michkov.

If Demidov is gone, I'd bet my shorts they are picking Lindstrom/Sennecke

 

[Schooner Guy]

Avoid your trigger words... coming in too hot.

Go look at what I said. I said no credible draft rank list has Sennecke in the top 5. You went to look at Bob's context and used the 1/10 cherry picked card. Bob has him 14th and so does McKeen. Consolidated rankings from Elite Prospects has him 19th. That is out of date I believe.

I like Sennecke but he is a top 6F. I have higher standards with the 5th pick. Is it impossible for Sennecke to be a top line talent? NO.... that basically supports your 1/10 narrative.

I did look at what you said. You said no credible list has him top 5 or "even top 10". Do you think an NHL team that has him top 5 isn't a credible list? What about the other two that had him top 10 as another poster pointed out? That's 30% of the NHL with him in the top 10. This will very likely rise before the final edition of Bobby Mac's poll.

I really don't give a rat's ass about Elite Prospects consolidated list or any of the public lists. All that matters is NHL teams lists.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Avoid your trigger words... coming in too hot.

Go look at what I said. I said no credible draft rank list has Sennecke in the top 5. You went to look at Bob's context and used the 1/10 cherry picked card. Bob has him 14th and so does McKeen. Consolidated rankings from Elite Prospects has him 19th. That is out of date I believe.

I like Sennecke but he is a top 6F. I have higher standards with the 5th pick. Is it impossible for Sennecke to be a top line talent? NO.... that basically supports your 1/10 narrative.

I won't discuss the player in this case as one's view is subjective, and for what it's worth I have some concerns about Sennecke as well.

I'd be careful with the assertions above however. For one, draft rankings are not complete and the previous lists are mostly outdated. Furthermore, the difference between 10 and 5 is not dramatic based on general read ups and word of mouth.

For what it's worth, I bet Sennecke will be top 7-9 on average when the final lists appear. There are two things lists drool over: recency and size, and Sennecke has both over many prospects in the top 10.

 

[Shred]

*updating Boisvert’s “fire in the eyes” rating*

 

[sampollock]

Sennecke seems like a sneeky pick.

 

[SlafySZN]

*updating Boisvert’s “fire in the eyes” rating*

Some here were right, they’re really looking for that

 

[sampollock]

Sacha Boisvert and Maxim Massé are two young attackers with interesting profiles who could be available at the time of the Canadiens' second selection. Both players expressed their excitement about joining the Montreal organization and explained why the Habs should choose them.



“I think that one of my good qualities is that if I have points to work on, I will put in the work so that it becomes a strength,” Massé first responded. At the NHL level, everyone has the skills or the shot, but there is a big part that is played in the head. I trust that this is what I have more than others. » - Maxim Massé

“I'm more complete, I work more, my mentality is that I'm always willing to work more than the person next to me. I'm a complete player, I can do everything on the ice, I can play in all roles. » - Sacha Boisvert

 

[Deebs]

Sacha Boisvert and Maxim Massé are two young attackers with interesting profiles who could be available at the time of the Canadiens' second selection. Both players expressed their excitement about joining the Montreal organization and explained why the Habs should choose them.



“I think that one of my good qualities is that if I have points to work on, I will put in the work so that it becomes a strength,” Massé first responded. At the NHL level, everyone has the skills or the shot, but there is a big part that is played in the head. I trust that this is what I have more than others. » - Maxim Massé

“I'm more complete, I work more, my mentality is that I'm always willing to work more than the person next to me. I'm a complete player, I can do everything on the ice, I can play in all roles. » - Sacha Boisvert

So between these two, is there a clear cut better overall player?

 

[Schooner Guy]

There are two certainties three weeks before this draft...

1) Celebrini will go #1
2) After that, there is a 2-14 range of players that can go in any order. Any players in that range could realistically go top 5.

It's silly to say any of those players would be a reach at #5 when there is not much to differentiate between them and every single one of them comes with question marks.

 

[Vachon23]

So between these two, is there a clear cut better overall player?

Boisvert

If he’s there, you take him at 26

 

[Habs Halifax]

I won't discuss the player in this case as one's view is subjective, and for what it's worth I have some concerns about Sennecke as well.

I'd be careful with the assertions above however. For one, draft rankings are not complete and the previous lists are mostly outdated. Furthermore, the difference between 10 and 5 is not dramatic based on general read ups and word of mouth.

For what it's worth, I bet Sennecke will be top 7-9 on average when the final lists appear. There are two things lists drool over: recency and size, and Sennecke has both over many prospects in the top 10.

Don't get me wrong. I like Sennecke but he is in the Catton, Eiserman waive. I have two waives after Celebrini. My BPA board list is a combo of what I like and what that measure up to credible lists.

Can Sennecke be a top line talent? Yes, it's not impossible. But would I take him over Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, or Lindstrom? NO

I did look at what you said. You said no credible list has him top 5 or "even top 10". Do you think an NHL team that has him top 5 isn't a credible list? What about the other two that had him top 10 as another poster pointed out? That's 30% of the NHL with him in the top 10. This will very likely rise before the final edition of Bobby Mac's poll.

I really don't give a rat's ass about Elite Prospects consolidated list or any of the public lists. All that matters is NHL teams lists.

You like the NHL teams list but you don't have access to that. All you can find is 1/10 scout has him in the top 5. It's a reach bud.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Levshunov to Hawks lets go

 

[Playmaker09]

So between these two, is there a clear cut better overall player?

Masse has higher IQ, better vision, but is a below average skater. Boisvert has better skating, is more physical, more consistent with his effort.

I'd say it's like:

Boisvert
10% 2nd line
70% 3rd line
10% 4th line
10% bust

Masse
20% 2nd line
30% 3rd line
20% 4th line
30% bust

NHL teams will value Boisvert more highly.

 

[Treb]

So between these two, is there a clear cut better overall player?

Boisvert likely to be a 1st round pick.

Massé more likely to be an early/mid 2nd round pick.

 

[schwang26]

This is no where near as exciting when you don’t have a top 2 pick.