GDT: NHL 24 Draft Combine June 3-8 NOT the trade, roster or KK thread

[417]

I believe he does. I'll be shocked if we take Sennecke 5th. And I like the players chances at top 6F. I see a Batherson type but with the 5th pick, we should have higher standards. Would it be impossible for Sennecke to be a top line talent? No, it's possible but it would be a reach and you better know what you are doing.

Habs digging into Sennecke more is just doing due diligence in case we trade down or add another pick from 10-13.

Do yourself a favor now to save yourself the heartache in 3 weeks.

No one the Habs will be drafting 5th is going to be a shock because there's really no consensus post Celebrini.

I mean unless they go totally off the board.

 

[Habs Halifax]

And i told you it’s known that Hughes and their scouts doesn’t care about the kid who’s more polished or ‘’safe’’. They most likely don’t agree if they like Sennecke’s talent.

I understand but taking Sennecke 5th is a massive reach in the BPA narrative. Yeah, each teams board is different but I don't see many NHL teams having Sennecke in the top 5. Most credible lists have Sennecke 13th or 14th. Took guts to take Slaf over Wright and Reinbacher over Michkov but those were like 2-3 popular BPA reaches. Not the same if we take Sennecke 5th.

We are trading down if we take Sennecke. Or we are trying to add another pick. It's one or the other. I'll be shocked if we take Sennecke 5th.

 

[Guy Larose]

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There's probably only 6 people here old enough to get this movie reference LOL

We're not worthy!

 

[WeThreeKings]

No, my problem is mainly how awkward an unnatural this guy looks.

And judging most scouting departments around that have him going mid-first round, I'd say I'm not exactly the only one having reserves.

You don't think him looking unnatural and awkward might have something to do with going from 5'10 to 6'3 in a short period of time?

 

[417]

I think that is a reach with the pick in this draft. Beck and Kapanen are nice to have in the pool but if we want to add players better, we need to consider that might be a 2025 pick.

Who?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Who?

If we try to take a center in this draft with our 5th pick. Trying to get a 1C or 2C with the Jets pick? We can try but those odds are low.

 

[McGees]

Sure, yes. I agree. What does this have to do with what conversation you jumped in on? In case you didn't follow the chain it was this...

Some fans are considering Sennecke at 5th and some of us say no. We would prefer to add another pick from 10-13 to take Sennecke. 5th will be used on players like Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, Lindstrom.

Everybody would like to add another top 10-15 pick but the reality is that it is not an option.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Do yourself a favor now to save yourself the heartache in 3 weeks.

No one the Habs will be drafting 5th is going to be a shock because there's really no consensus post Celebrini.

I mean unless they go totally off the board.

There is some waives in consensus after Celebrini. Sennecke is on nobody's top 5 or even top 10. Not any credible list. Only lists fans and scout wantabees have.

Won't be heartbreak. Shock. A difference.

 

[Kents polished head]

You don't think him looking unnatural and awkward might have something to do with going from 5'10 to 6'3 in a short period of time?

And you don't think that this is a huge bet for an organization with no forward prospect in the pipeline to use what's most likely the last top-5 pick you'll have in this "building" cycle on a guy that "is going to completely change the way he plays the game when he's fully grown in his body"?

 

[WeThreeKings]

And you don't think that this is a huge bet for an organization with no forward prospect in the pipeline to use what's most likely the last top-5 pick you'll have in this "building" cycle on a guy that "is going to completely change the way he plays the game when he's fully grown in his body"?

I think it's the same level of a question mark that any of the other options have.

 

[417]

I understand but taking Sennecke 5th is a massive reach in the BPA narrative. Yeah, each teams board is different but I don't see many NHL teams having Sennecke in the top 5. Most credible lists have Sennecke 13th or 14th. Took guts to take Slaf over Wright and Reinbacher over Michkov but those were like 2-3 popular BPA reaches. Not the same if we take Sennecke 5th.

We are trading down if we take Sennecke. Or we are trying to add another pick. It's one or the other. I'll be shocked if we take Sennecke 5th.

But you don't know what each NHL teams' board is and "credible lists" are not teams lists...one has nothing to do with the other.

The public lists you see are for fans consumptions, teams do their own work and while some of their lists might be similar to the various mocks you see from draft gurus, it's not a guarantee they match and there's really no way to know.

If the Habs have Sennecke high on their list, than they need to respect the work they've done and follow it, rather than follow what "credible lists" say.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Everybody would like to add another top 10-15 pick but the reality is that it is not an option.

It's not a reality that it's not an option. False narrative. It's not easy to pull off but we have assets. Teams like the Sabres and Devils are considering to trade the pick. Habs might have to make two deals like the Dach trade. Hawks didn't want Romanov but the Islanders did and they had the 13th.

Odds are low yes. Not easy but please don't act like this is impossible.

But you don't know what each NHL teams' board is and "credible lists" are not teams lists...one has nothing to do with the other.

The public lists you see are for fans consumptions, teams do their own work and while some of their lists might be similar to the various mocks you see from draft gurus, it's not a guarantee they match and there's really no way to know.

If the Habs have Sennecke high on their list, than they need to respect the work they've done and follow it, rather than follow what "credible lists" say.

There is a lot of if's with that narrative. You're basically telling me all options are on the table as a safe prediction. Sure.

Bet you that if we take Sennecke it's because we trade down or we add another pick. I'll put higher odds at that than us taking Sennecke 5th. Go ahead and try to argue this logic.

 

[417]

There is some waives in consensus after Celebrini. Sennecke is on nobody's top 5 or even top 10. Not any credible list. Only lists fans and scout wantabees have.

Who decides what lists are credible or not? and what do these lists have to do with the Habs own list, which neither you, I or anyone here, has access too?

Won't be heartbreak. Shock. A difference.

Either way, you're essentially paving the way for your shock with this.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Who decides what lists are credible or not? and what do these lists have to do with the Habs own list, which neither you, I or anyone here, has access too?

Either way, you're essentially paving the way for your shock with this.

When they create lists that are close to what happens vs others who have click bait lists and are way off?

Don't reply to me saying "see told you so" when we either add a 2nd pick (10-13) or we trade down to take Sennecke. That's not shock. That's exactly what I said.

I'll put high odds that if we stay 5th, we land one of Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, or Lindstrom. Not 100% odds. High odds like maybe 75% sure. If the Habs go off that board, it will be a shock but I'll be fine bud.

 

[le_sean]

Well Demidov at least showed he can turn the sizzle into substance. Not exactly the case of the other guy.

You do know OHL teams would crush MHL teams, right?

 

[Kents polished head]

You do know OHL teams would crush MHL teams, right?

So Sennecke is better than Demidov? Not sure what point you guys are trying to make here to be honest .

 

[417]

There is a lot of if's with that narrative. You're basically telling me all options are on the table as a safe prediction. Sure.

Bet you that if we take Sennecke it's because we trade down or we add another pick. I'll put higher odds at that than us taking Sennecke 5th. Go ahead and try to argue this logic.

The word "if" is literally there once in the post you just quoted.

What i'm telling you is there's a wide varying range of players who are currently in the 2-15 range that might go anywhere in that list and suggesting there's a consensus is the complete opposite of everything I've read about this draft so far.

2 weeks ago Dickinson had Guhle appeal, today he's top 5 flavor of the week.

Also, I don't need to argue the logic...if the Habs like Sennecke at 5th, they should take him. If they don't and another team comes with an appealing offer where they drop down a few ranks and still pick a guy they would have picked at 5th but is still there wherever they move, they should do that as well.

 

[le_sean]

So Sennecke is better than Demidov? Not sure what point you guys are trying to make here to be honest .

You’re the one that brought up playing like a globetrotter but getting results. Of course Demidov got results, he’s playing against terrible competition.

 

[sampollock]

You don't think him looking unnatural and awkward might have something to do with going from 5'10 to 6'3 in a short period of time?

sorry I missed who this was?

 

[417]

When they create lists that are close to what happens vs others who have click bait lists and are way off?

Don't reply to me saying "see told you so" when we either add a 2nd pick (10-13) or we trade down to take Sennecke. That's not shock. That's exactly what I said.

I'll put high odds that if we stay 5th, we land one of Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, or Lindstrom. Not 100% odds. High odds like maybe 75% sure. If the Habs go off that board, it will be a shock but I'll be fine bud.

So why do teams bother making lists if there are credible lists for them to follow...hell, why even bother scouting for the 1st round at all?

Also, I don't disagree that the Habs could trade down, like i said, there's a large group of players who have similar ranks, this would be the year to trade down.

 

[le_sean]

When they create lists that are close to what happens vs others who have click bait lists and are way off?

Don't reply to me saying "see told you so" when we either add a 2nd pick (10-13) or we trade down to take Sennecke. That's not shock. That's exactly what I said.

I'll put high odds that if we stay 5th, we land one of Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, or Lindstrom. Not 100% odds. High odds like maybe 75% sure. If the Habs go off that board, it will be a shock but I'll be fine bud.

How exactly are the Habs getting a pick from 10-13? We have nothing worth that on the team.

 

[Kents polished head]

You’re the one that brought up playing like a globetrotter but getting results. Of course Demidov got results, he’s playing against terrible competition.

I said I was more interested in a polished player at 5 than a guy who is playing like a globetrotter.

To which I was asked if I would take Demidov.

I then proceeded to suggest that Sennecke and Demidov's numbers have nothing in common, nor do their calibre as draft-eligible prospects.

To which I was then told the MHL was a shitty league.

So then again, what is the point you guys are trying to make exactly? That if I have reserves on Sennecke, that I should have reserves on Demidov?

Are you insane

One just posted a record year in the MHL and is widely seen as the #2 prospect, and the other is seen as a mid-round pick by most scouting services, who conveniently started producing after being put on Ritchie's line.

Are you seriously trying to establish a comparison as to how these two guys are even remotely freaking comparable?

 

[SOLR]

You do know OHL teams would crush MHL teams, right?

Good OHL teams, the top MHL teams would not be at the bottom of the OHL.

 

[Team_Spirit]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798746536425443585

 

[le_sean]

I said I was more interested in a polished player at 5 than a guy who is playing like a globetrotter.

To which I was asked if I would take Demidov.

I then proceeded to suggest that Sennecke and Demidov's numbers have nothing in common, nor do their calibre as draft-eligible prospects.

To which I was then told the MHL was a shitty league.

So then again, what is the point you guys are trying to make exactly? That if I have reserves on Sennecke, that I should have reserves on Demidov?

Are you insane

One just posted a record year in the MHL and is widely seen as the #2 prospect, and the other is seen as a mid-round pick by most scouting services, who conveniently started producing after being put on Ritchie's line.

Are you seriously trying to establish a comparison as to how these two guys are even remotely freaking comparable?

What exactly about Demidov is polished? Why does Sennecke play like a globetrotter? You seem to be watching the YouTube highlights and stat sheets and coming to a conclusion.