Confirmed with Link: New York Rangers Sign Adam Fox to Entry Level Deal
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Scott Wheeler from The Athletic... He ranked Fox #9 in a re-draft from 2016.
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Probably too much to hope for all that but there does seem to be this slightly weird take on Fox that ignores the ridiculous points he put up and focuses on the relatively small flaws (in comparison)
Yeah, his peripheral stats are ridiculously good too. 70% GF%. Teammates' GF% was ~20% better with him than without him. 25% controlled entry against % and almost 50% break-up %. 2x the controlled entry rate of the Harvard team on average, including forwards (40% vs 20%). Almost an 80% controlled exit rate (which was more than 20% better than the next best defenseman on the Harvard team).
If smarts and hockey sense can make a player with average speed and size a great defenseman, it seems like that's going to be what Fox is.
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I like Fox a lot and think he has the potential to be a good, quality NHL defenseman.
With that said, I am very hesitant to view him as a top pairing level of prospect. I think he’s a bit below that, which isn’t a bad thing. I think there are areas of his game that will help him overcome certain shortcomings, but I don’t think they erase those shortcomings. And those elements, collectively, arguably comprise the difference between being that higher level defensive prospect and being something a bit less than that.
But the price is right, the combination is good, and the opportunity is certainly there to have an important piece.
With that said, I am very hesitant to view him as a top pairing level of prospect. I think he’s a bit below that, which isn’t a bad thing. I think there are areas of his game that will help him overcome certain shortcomings, but I don’t think they erase those shortcomings. And those elements, collectively, arguably comprise the difference between being that higher level defensive prospect and being something a bit less than that.
But the price is right, the combination is good, and the opportunity is certainly there to have an important piece.
Feels an awful lot like the hype train is picking up speed and heading into a sharp corner.
I kind of have the impression that if he was a swift skater he would be looked at with much higher regard. When a player doesn't have the physical tools someone expects from a 1D then everything else takes a back seat.
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It's just one guy who is super high on him.
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It's just one guy who is super high on him.
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Does he have the potential to be a top pair dman? Sure. Does he reach it? Well he still has to work on some things so i guess we’ll see. Right now i would say no but i dont have a crystal ball.
In the end i’m hoping he’s a 2-3 dman or a high end offensive second pair.
In the end i’m hoping he’s a 2-3 dman or a high end offensive second pair.
I think I've moreso reposted other people's commentary / analysis than expressed my own view on him, but I guess I'm fine being the guy that's super high on him if everyone else is unenthused. I think he's a very good prospect.
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For me, I wouldn’t say unenthused, so much as unconvinced all the components are quite there for that higher level.
I am very excited by what Fox brings, and frankly I love the potential that ADA and Fox bring to that right side. Are they going to be guys who I want playing 25 minutes a night in a do or die game? I’m not there yet.
But I will never not love to be proved wrong in those scenarios.
Why do you say that? I mean we have not had that in NYR-land in how long? History never repeats itself.
And that's the problem that I have when I hear names like York or Broberg being thrown around for possible choices. You only need so many smallish PMDs in the line up. As we have seen, you need someone to clear the crease and take care of the area around the net. You also need some size back there.
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I think the goal would be to work that out in time, but I always go back to my philosophy that talent will always bring back value --- even if you're stacked in a particular area.
So let's say the Rangers find themselves with a surplus of smallish PMDs, if they play to their potential, you'll always find value there. If anything its sometimes easier to move a guy who attracts people with skill or production, and turn said player into one or two assets that maybe don't have the same level of pure talent or production but balance your lineup.
Broberg would obviously be the exception at 6'3, 200+ pounds, but I also think Broberg is a guy who has a good chance to go in the top 10.
But in terms of the support defenseman, I get the sense that might be what the Rangers are exploring in rounds two or three. All things being equal, I get the sense they'd prefer to up their high-end skill level early in this draft. Kakko obviously does that. But then it's a matter of trying to decide who else not only fits that mold, but might be a value pick.
That's where it could be interesting to see how they view guys like Krebs, or Tomasino, or Seider, or whoever else is on their radar that we haven't heard about.
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I think you just focus on getting the best player regardless of who is already in the system. It's not like people in Nashville are complaining that they have too many good defenseman that score points.
I'll worry about having too many guys AFTER some of the kids establish themselves as good nhlers.
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