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[Shadowtron]

This may have been asked before, but if Fox was in this draft (2019), where do you think he would have been taken?

This question was asked a few days ago I think. Someone replied with Top 15

 

[The Crypto Guy]

This may have been asked before, but if Fox was in this draft (2019), where do you think he would have been taken?

If he had just put up the numbers he did as a undrafted 17-18 year old freshman? Top 5.

 

[I Eat Crow]

If he had just put up the numbers he did as a undrafted 17-18 year old freshman? Top 5.

If Fox put up the numbers he just did (highest PPG average for a NCAA defenseman all time) and he was 17 or 18, he's a mortal lock for 3rd overall after Hughes and Kakko.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If Fox put up the numbers he just did (highest PPG average for a NCAA defenseman all time) and he was 17 or 18, he's a mortal lock for 3rd overall after Hughes and Kakko.

You're right.

 

[Bevans]

If Fox put up the numbers he just did (highest PPG average for a NCAA defenseman all time) and he was 17 or 18, he's a mortal lock for 3rd overall after Hughes and Kakko.

1st overall*. Would be double the points of werenski who went 8th.

Those numbers would be insane for a draft eligible dman.

 

[BenedictGomez]

If Fox put up the numbers he just did (highest PPG average for a NCAA defenseman all time) and he was 17 or 18, he's a mortal lock for 3rd overall after Hughes and Kakko.

Honestly?

The only times I've seen him play was the entire IIFH tournament, but given all the "hoopla" I heard, I was pretty disappointed in his play.

Fox wound up being an initial option, and then wound up being protected & having his minutes cut by the coaching staff. Now, GRANTED, this is a YOUNG kid being foisted onto an elite stage, so I do get that. I think he's 100% going to be an NHL player, it's just that I disagree with the view that he's going to be #1, #2, and IMO based on what I saw I think he's going to be #3, #4, #5. Now, ADMITTEDLY, I could be wrong as this is only based on about 7 games, but it's all I have to go on.

BG

 

[egelband]

Honestly?

The only times I've seen him play was the entire IIFH tournament, but given all the "hoopla" I heard, I was pretty disappointed in his play.

Fox wound up being an initial option, and then wound up being protected & having his minutes cut by the coaching staff. Now, GRANTED, this is a YOUNG kid being foisted onto an elite stage, so I do get that. I think he's 100% going to be an NHL player, it's just that I disagree with the view that he's going to be #1, #2, and IMO based on what I saw I think he's going to be #3, #4, #5. Now, ADMITTEDLY, I could be wrong as this is only based on about 7 games, but it's all I have to go on.

BG

Yep. It happens. That's why Hughes went Number One. There was way more to it than one bad game or tourney.
Not comparing Fox to Hughes, of course.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Honestly?

The only times I've seen him play was the entire IIFH tournament, but given all the "hoopla" I heard, I was pretty disappointed in his play.

Fox wound up being an initial option, and then wound up being protected & having his minutes cut by the coaching staff. Now, GRANTED, this is a YOUNG kid being foisted onto an elite stage, so I do get that. I think he's 100% going to be an NHL player, it's just that I disagree with the view that he's going to be #1, #2, and IMO based on what I saw I think he's going to be #3, #4, #5. Now, ADMITTEDLY, I could be wrong as this is only based on about 7 games, but it's all I have to go on.

BG

I don't disagree with your assessment, in fact, I think you nailed it on the head. I don't quite see top pairing upside in Fox, but do I think he'll be a #4 or #3 best case QB'ing the first PP unit on an NHL team? I do. I think he'll need some AHL time too; I don't quite see him as much as a plug and play prospect as some may think.

The post that I made refers to purely hypotheticals. I stated that if a true NCAA freshman put up the numbers that Fox did in his junior season at Harvard, that it would warrant a top 3 pick. He definitely gets picked over Dach, Cozens, Turcotte, Zegras, et al. Would he get taken over Byram? Depends on who you ask, IMO.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Scott Wheeler has him ranked as the #10 best drafted prospect.

Wheeler: The top 50 drafted NHL prospects ranking, 2019... (paywall)

If he doens't become a bona fide #1 dman, he'll be close

Quite a high praise. However he also had Kravtsov around 36 and said he doesn't see major offensive upside and he will likely be a 50-60 point player He said Miller just missed the cut too.

 

[Thirty One]

However he also had Kravtsov around 36 and said he doesn't see major offensive upside and he will likely be a 50-60 point player He said Miller just missed the cut too.

This is violence.

 

[cwede]

Scott Wheeler has him ranked as the #10 best drafted prospect.
Wheeler: The top 50 drafted NHL prospects ranking, 2019... (paywall)
Quite a high praise. However he also had Kravtsov around 36 and said he doesn't see major offensive upside and he will likely be a 50-60 point player He said Miller just missed the cut too.

and before anyone asks, i believe Shesty, at 23, aged out of eligibility for Wheeler's list

 

[Levitate]

This is violence.

Eh I get the worry...for all his apparent skill he "struggled" to put up the points you'd really want to see if you're expecting star power potential. But it's also tough for a young kid on a pro team that also has no real scoring depth to just do everything. So I think Kravtsov is a tad bit of a mystery at the moment...he might break out big soon, or he might be that real skilled guy who creates a ton but somehow can't manage to hit the upper levels of scoring

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Scott Wheeler has him ranked as the #10 best drafted prospect.

Wheeler: The top 50 drafted NHL prospects ranking, 2019... (paywall)



Quite a high praise. However he also had Kravtsov around 36 and said he doesn't see major offensive upside and he will likely be a 50-60 point player He said Miller just missed the cut too.

Probably just looked at his raw KHL point totals and made an assumption.

 

[n8]

If he had just put up the numbers he did as a undrafted 17-18 year old freshman? Top 5.

yeah, but he is 21 so i think it would be fair to ask where he'd be if he was the max draft age.

 

[mas0764]

Good to see Kakko at 2, it's where he belongs.

Odd that he's so high on Fox at 10, but so low on Miller and Kravtsov.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Probably just looked at his raw KHL point totals and made an assumption.

Scott Wheeler is PB?

 

[Thirty One]

Benjamin M.

Scott, how far off was Nils Lindqvist? More importantly, what is his projection?


Scott W.
STAFF
@Benjamin M. He would be in a top-100. Middle six winger who plays an effective though unspectacular game. Love that kid. He has figured out what makes him work, now he needs to master it.

Hmmm.

 

[Leetch3]

Benjamin M.

Scott, how far off was Nils Lindqvist? More importantly, what is his projection?


Scott W.
STAFF
@Benjamin M. He would be in a top-100. Middle six winger who plays an effective though unspectacular game. Love that kid. He has figured out what makes him work, now he needs to master it.

Hmmm.

i'm sold on this guy as a source

 

[McRanger]

Benjamin M.

Scott, how far off was Nils Lindqvist? More importantly, what is his projection?


Scott W.
STAFF
@Benjamin M. He would be in a top-100. Middle six winger who plays an effective though unspectacular game. Love that kid. He has figured out what makes him work, now he needs to master it.

Hmmm.

He changed his name and his position? Shifty dude.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He changed his name and his position? Shifty dude.

Fans were furious we drafted so many defensemen recently. This is one way to fix that

 

[Miamipuck]

Benjamin M.

Scott, how far off was Nils Lindqvist? More importantly, what is his projection?


Scott W.
STAFF
@Benjamin M. He would be in a top-100. Middle six winger who plays an effective though unspectacular game. Love that kid. He has figured out what makes him work, now he needs to master it.

Hmmm.

Maybe he will be good enough to play for team Finland next year.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Scott Wheeler is a clown. Makes up his mind on players pre draft and then spends the next few years sticking to his initial thoughts and build his analysis from there. Him and Pronman are two guys who make up their minds and have players they like and others they don’t.

It’s nice to hedge on Kravtsov from his POV. Basically frame his analysis as “well I didn’t say he wouldn’t be good, just that he won’t be a superstar.” Bush league stuff. In the comment section he says he’s pushing back against the “extreme hyperbole” surrounding Kravtsov now. So is he analyzing the players or pushing back on narratives?

He should frankly be embarrassed to have Kravtsov below some of the players he does. Fox included. It’s one thing to not think he’s a future star, but to think he’s 36th ranked prospect? That’s ridiculous imo. Not even having Miller on the list is another thing.

 

[Machinehead]

Scott Wheeler is a clown. Makes up his mind on players pre draft and then spends the next few years sticking to his initial thoughts and build his analysis from there. Him and Pronman are two guys who make up their minds and have players they like and others they don’t.

So they're AV?

 

[bobbop]

Scott Wheeler is a clown. Makes up his mind on players pre draft and then spends the next few years sticking to his initial thoughts and build his analysis from there. Him and Pronman are two guys who make up their minds and have players they like and others they don’t.

It’s nice to hedge on Kravtsov from his POV. Basically frame his analysis as “well I didn’t say he wouldn’t be good, just that he won’t be a superstar.” Bush league stuff. In the comment section he says he’s pushing back against the “extreme hyperbole” surrounding Kravtsov now. So is he analyzing the players or pushing back on narratives?

He should frankly be embarrassed to have Kravtsov below some of the players he does. Fox included. It’s one thing to not think he’s a future star, but to think he’s 36th ranked prospect? That’s ridiculous imo. Not even having Miller on the list is another thing.

I put a lot more stock in what Pronman says than Wheeler.

Wheeler’s draft previews have been all over the place, often times without real solid evidence to back them up. I don’t always agree with Pronman (and I don’t fancy myself as a draft expert) but when I watch, I often see what he sees. I also see him admitting mistakes from time to time.

And I hope Pronman was spot on with this years draft because he rated the Rangers class highly from top to bottom.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Scott Wheeler is a clown. Makes up his mind on players pre draft and then spends the next few years sticking to his initial thoughts and build his analysis from there. Him and Pronman are two guys who make up their minds and have players they like and others they don’t.

It’s nice to hedge on Kravtsov from his POV. Basically frame his analysis as “well I didn’t say he wouldn’t be good, just that he won’t be a superstar.” Bush league stuff. In the comment section he says he’s pushing back against the “extreme hyperbole” surrounding Kravtsov now. So is he analyzing the players or pushing back on narratives?

He should frankly be embarrassed to have Kravtsov below some of the players he does. Fox included. It’s one thing to not think he’s a future star, but to think he’s 36th ranked prospect? That’s ridiculous imo. Not even having Miller on the list is another thing.

Kravtsov is ranked below Necas, Suzuki, Glass and Veleno (LOL). This shit is crazy