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BertCorbeau said:
Well he did win back to back Rockets, finishing 2nd in Hart voting three years ago before winning the Hart two years ago...

Falling off seems a big much since he still posted 40 goals and 85 points in 74 games .. this with the lowest shooting percentage of his career (12%) ... with a bit more luck shoots his career average (15%) that would peg him for 50 goals. It was still a good season, just not great like we saw the previous two.
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Im speaking in context to Mack who was being looked down for not winning hart/lindsay

Mack has come:

2nd
6th
2nd
3rd
N/A - didnt get hart votes despite 88 pts in 65 games
5th

In hart last 6 years

Matthews

N/A
N/A
10th
2nd
1st
16th

If Mack is getting 12.6M on 8 years and no one says that is a steal

Than matthews on 8 years at 12.6M is no steal either imo
 
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hamzarocks said:
Winning an award one year and then falling off the next is not worth 12.6M

Mack came 5th in hart this year and has been around that leve pretty much every year since 2018

He has 100 pts in 77 playoff games

Mack has been more consistent than Matthews while Matthews has peaked higher.

Still no one says Mack at 8 years 12.6M is a discount. Hes getting top money for being a top player

If matthews takes 12.6M at 8 years thats no discount, just a top player getting top money for full term
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Do you understand why his stats went down? It was injury related.

There is no counter to that. He's elite and was injured all season. He's worth Mackinnon money plus as the cap is going up.
 
kb said:
Do you understand why his stats went down? It was injury related.

There is no counter to that. He's elite and was injured all season.
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He came N/A, N/A, and 10th in hart votes before 2021 and 2022.

His injury being season long is extremely concerning and if it impacted him in the playoffs and wasnt just an excuse that matthews fanboys typically make for him leafs should factor for that in contract discussions.

Matthews having 2 peak years is great but you cant commit 12.6M on a 3-5 year deal and pretend thats a steal when his performance is not often that of a top 5 player

Edit: I'm not saying he isnt worth Mack money on a similar term deal (7 or 8 years).

I am saying that pretending 12.6M is a great steal or discount is absurd
 
I am Canadian said:
If leafs are put off by Nylander at $9M what do they do next summer when Marner is starting with 13M???
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I've read from some that Duchene is an absolute cancer in the room. This isn't the first time he's been moved for off-ice/culture issues

Seems odd that there wasn't one taker for Duchene @ 50% ($4 million). Saves Nashville money, and gives the other team 3 years of cost certainty.
 
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kb said:
I've read from some that Duchene is an absolute cancer in the room. This isn't the first time he's been moved for off-ice/culture issues

Seems odd that there wasn't one taker for Duchene @ 50% ($4 million). Saves Nashville money, and gives the other team 3 years of cost certainty.
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Sounds like an oiler or hurricane reclamation project already
 
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hamzarocks said:
He came N/A, N/A, and 10th in hart votes before 2021 and 2022.

His injury being season long is extremely concerning and if it impacted him in the playoffs and wasnt just an excuse that matthews fanboys typically make for him leafs should factor for that in contract discussions.

Matthews having 2 peak years is great but you cant commit 12.6M on a 3-5 year deal and pretend thats a steal when his performance is not often that of a top 5 player

Edit: I'm not saying he isnt worth Mack money on a similar term deal (7 or 8 years).

I am saying that pretending 12.6M is a great steal or discount is absurd
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It's a very good deal.

We need to take emotions out of it, and none of what you posted actually matters in salary contract negotiations, it's arbitrary based on your feelings.
 
leafsfan5 said:
The Duchene pitch should be very simple: sign a one year deal at decent value (3.5-5 million), get to play at home with elite talent on an elite regular season team. Pad your stats so next year when the cap spikes you can sign another big deal

We present a very good opportunity for him
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Elliotte Friedman on the 32 thoughts podcast:

Broberg not being traded by EDM. Leafs/Oilers favourites for Connor Brown, Detroit no longer favourite for Debrincat, Nylander/Leafs not even close. Toronto very much in on Reaves if he gets to market. Nashville interested in C's.
 
hamzarocks said:
Im speaking in context to Mack who was being looked down for not winning hart/lindsay

Mack has come:

2nd
6th
2nd
3rd
N/A - didnt get hart votes despite 88 pts in 65 games
5th

In hart last 6 years

Matthews

N/A
N/A
10th
2nd
1st
16th

If Mack is getting 12.6M on 8 years and no one says that is a steal

Than matthews on 8 years at 12.6M is no steal either imo
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A lot of Leafs fans live in a bubble / echo chamber that just parrots the narrative that Matthews is THE 2nd best player in the world.

Yet Draisaitl, MacKinnon, and Kucherov all have decently higher points per game over the last three years (which includes Matthews best seasons), and then you have guys like Makar and Fox who are certainly in the conversation as well.

Matthews is head and shoulders below McDavid, and then in a tier with like 5 or so other guys. His contract should reflect that. Siegel is out there writing about how Matthews should get 14.5M on a 5 year deal - honestly I'd rather trade him if that's the option. If that's what it takes to sign him, then we're not going to win anything and this team would need him moved to fix it's culture. If he wants to sign for something comparable to MacKinnon, great.
 
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kb said:
It's a very good deal.

We need to take emotions out of it, and none of what you posted actually matters in salary contract negotiations, it's arbitrary based on your feelings.
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Lol your talking out of your ass here.

His lack of consistency amongst the leagues best is not a valid concern? It is objective that he does not produce as well as Mack, Drai, Kuch on a consistent basis

The leafs being concerned that Matthews has lingering injury issues is a valid concern and a reason to be hesistant to giving him crazy money.

Your one of the Matthews fanboys it seems if your valuing 12.6M as a very good deal, when no one said Mackinnon (the better player by a decent margin) was a steal at that

He will get overpaid, the leafs will continue to be a joke in the playoffs and the team will have wasted any potential for contention the way you want this negotiation to go.
 
BallardEra said:
Elliotte Friedman on the 32 thoughts podcast:

Broberg not being traded by EDM. Leafs/Oilers favourites for Connor Brown, Detroit no longer favourite for Debrincat, Nylander/Leafs not even close. Toronto very much in on Reaves if he gets to market. Nashville interested in C's.
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Unless he's 925k on a 1yr deal, big no thanks. Why not just bring back Simmonds? He's younger, has slightly more offensive/hockey ability, and is still a feared fighter. At least we know 100% Simmonds is a great team player, doesn't complain, and is hometown kid.
 
SprDaVE said:
Bear and Dermott didn't receive qualifying offers.

I believe Bear just had shoulder surgery from his injury at the World Championships. He's someone that I think the Leafs should keep a close eye on. He's pretty solid.
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He said the injury goes back to Bakersfield too so curious to see how he looks when healthy.
 
SprDaVE said:
Bear and Dermott didn't receive qualifying offers.

I believe Bear just had shoulder surgery from his injury at the World Championships. He's someone that I think the Leafs should keep a close eye on. He's pretty solid.
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Man Dermott has really fallen if Vancouver is buying you out…
 
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