New GM, New Trades and Signings Thread

[BertCorbeau]

Wheeler on a cheap 1 year deal wouldn't be bad as Perry went to Chicago.

Not dead set on him, but the guy did still produce 16 goals and 50+ points.

 

[Menzinger]

Though interesting that Trotz went out of his way to cite team culture as a motivation for the Duchene buyout. Thought that was something folks were wanting to change too?

 

[stickty111]

Wheeler on a cheap 1 year deal wouldn't be bad as Perry went to Chicago.

Not dead set on him, but the guy did still produce 16 goals and 50+ points.

Wheeler, Duchene and Brown. It's doable but leans towards offense bit too much. Maybe just Duchene and Brown, and some other depth.

Keeping Keefe probably helps our chances with Brown too. Brown really liked Keefe with the Marlies.
It might come down too home and coach vs McDavid.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Though interesting that Trotz went out of his way to cite team culture as a motivation for the Duchene buyout. Thought that was something folks were wanting to change too?

It's possible and a good counter point

 

[kb]

I still can't get over the fact that making Matthews the highest paid player in hockey is being reported as him taking a discount to help the team win.

Because unlike the guy currently making$12.6, he has actually won MVP awards and stuff.

It's absolutely a discount.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It's possible and a good counter point

To be fair, we've had a locker room of nice guys and culturally, it's not believed to be a problem...hasn't done anything to help us win lol.

Do I want Kerfoot back, a nice locker room guy or to get a guy like Duchene who might score a goal more than once every 12 games?

 

[hamzarocks]

Because unlike the guy currently making$12.6, he has actually won MVP awards and stuff.

It's absolutely a discount.

Winning an award one year and then falling off the next is not worth 12.6M

Mack came 5th in hart this year and has been around that leve pretty much every year since 2018

He has 100 pts in 77 playoff games

Mack has been more consistent than Matthews while Matthews has peaked higher.

Still no one says Mack at 8 years 12.6M is a discount. Hes getting top money for being a top player

If matthews takes 12.6M at 8 years thats no discount, just a top player getting top money for full term

 

[BallardEra]

Betting sites should do an over/under on how many times Treliving touches his glasses during his pressers:

 

[WTFMAN99]

Winning an award one year and then falling off the next is not worth 12.6M

Mack came 5th in hart this year and has been around that leve pretty much every year since 2018

He has 100 pts in 77 playoff games

Mack has been more consistent than Matthews while Matthews has peaked higher.

Still no one says Mack at 8 years 12.6M is a discount. Hes getting top money for being a top player

If matthews takes 12.6M at 8 years thats no discount, just a top player getting top money for full term

Market value is fine...

If Matthews came in at 12.75-12.8, still raising the bar for 8 years, that's fine

5 years...okay...enjoy 12-12.5M short term deals shouldn't mean getting your cake and eating it too.

 

[kb]

There's going to be a solid bidding war for his services

You would think.....but they still would have been better off taking a draft pick/future considerations and retaining 50%, and it looks like no one went for that even.

Seems really odd that he couldn't be traded.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Winning an award one year and then falling off the next is not worth 12.6M

Mack came 5th in hart this year and has been around that leve pretty much every year since 2018

He has 100 pts in 77 playoff games

Mack has been more consistent than Matthews while Matthews has peaked higher.

Still no one says Mack at 8 years 12.6M is a discount. Hes getting top money for being a top player

If matthews takes 12.6M at 8 years thats no discount, just a top player getting top money for full term

Well he did win back to back Rockets, finishing 2nd in Hart voting three years ago before winning the Hart two years ago...

Falling off seems a big much since he still posted 40 goals and 85 points in 74 games .. this with the lowest shooting percentage of his career (12%) ... with a bit more luck shoots his career average (15%) that would peg him for 50 goals. It was still a good season, just not great like we saw the previous two.

 

[Buds17]

8M x 3 would have been pricey for Duchene. Tough not to have interest on a lesser deal though (obviously referring to that AAV in particular).

 

[Mess]

Though interesting that Trotz went out of his way to cite team culture as a motivation for the Duchene buyout. Thought that was something folks were wanting to change too?

The best way to change a teams culture is to break up its core group that isn't working,

Trotz is a new GM and former coach of Nashville.. He is hitting the organization reset button with both Duchene and Ryan Johansen and building the team up from the ground up, that couldn't win with its past core group in the playoffs.

Here’s what Duchene’s cap hit will be, post-buyout, on Nashville’s books:

2023-24: $2.56 MM
2024-25: $5.56 MM
2025-26: $6.56 MM
2026-27: $1.56 MM
2027-28: $1.56 MM
2028-29: $1.56 MM

You would have thought had he offered to pick up 1/2 of Duchene's $8 mil X 3 his dead cap space would only have been 3 years @ 4 mil right now his dead cap space next 3 years is $14.68 mil instead of $12 mil.

Had Trotz offered Trelving that deal of 50% retention for Matt Murray contract and then bought out Murray he would have saved big time on cap space and money and I would have hit my head on the ceiling jumping for joy had our new GM pulled that off turning Murray into Matt Duchene at 3 years @ $4 mil AAV would be a good move regardless of culture change. IMO

 

[LeafChief]

He says before any trades or UFA starts.

Serious question. Do you ever post anything of any value, or something that isn't a huge overreaction?

No. Mostly just whining and using cute nicknames he has created for the players.

 

[ToneDog]

Wow. lol

Did you happen to look at the size of the players just drafted, or do you even follow Toronto?

There is a reason why I have you on ignore. You might want to do the same.

 

[Tony Romo]

Wheeler, Duchene and Brown. It's doable but leans towards offense bit too much. Maybe just Duchene and Brown, and some other depth.

Keeping Keefe probably helps our chances with Brown too. Brown really liked Keefe with the Marlies.
It might come down too home and coach vs McDavid.

To be fair, the team does need to learn how to score in the playoffs.

 

[Buds17]

You would think.....but they still would have been better off taking a draft pick/future considerations and retaining 50%, and it looks like no one went for that even.

Seems really odd that he couldn't be traded.

I suppose that's because Nashville would then have a couple of term retentions on the books (in the event that they're going to be rebuilding or planning to be sellers at the trade deadline). I agree with your point though and am fairly against buyouts in general.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

If the Leafs bought out TJ Brodie last year the Leafs would have saved $5 mil this year in cap and that could go a long way to signing a player like Duchene or re-signing a player like ROR.

You'd also have to replace Brodie, round and round we go on the cap hell carousel ©

 

[andora]

You would think.....but they still would have been better off taking a draft pick/future considerations and retaining 50%, and it looks like no one went for that even.

Seems really odd that he couldn't be traded.

if they retained 50% they'd be paying the same amount of real money as the buyout but they have a 4 million dollar dead cap head every year versus this way they only have one bad year to navigate around. That might have played into it

Edit: i thought he had 4 yrs left not 3. Money is basically identical.. so yeah

 

[fahad203]

I wouldn't mind Duchene as O'Reilly replacement in 3rd line. Wonder if he'll take discount to come home. He gets to play competitive hockey front of home town fans

But I wouldn't go more than 3 mil

He's a good back up options for a lot of teams.

 

[TMLAM34]

3 years @ 4 million per. I think that would be fair for Duchene. Bring him home!!!

 

[the real Fox mulder]

I think the idea solution for Nylander is that we trade him for picks and prospects and then use those picks and prospects to trade for Travis Konecny. We gain about $1.5M in cap space.

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[leafsfan5]

The Duchene pitch should be very simple: sign a one year deal at decent value (3.5-5 million), get to play at home with elite talent on an elite regular season team. Pad your stats so next year when the cap spikes you can sign another big deal

We present a very good opportunity for him

 

[TMLAM34]

I think the idea solution for Nylander is that we trade him for picks and prospects and then use those picks and prospects to trade for Travis Konecny. We gain about $1.5M in cap space.

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Definitely wouldn’t mind that. Then sign Duchene as well. Duchene - Matthews - Konecny.

 

[Buds17]

3 years @ 4 million per. I think that would be fair for Duchene. Bring him home!!!

I'd be fine with this contract for him.