2024-2025 Around The League Part 2

[expatriatedtexan]

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[AllAboutAvs]

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You are absolutely right.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

You are absolutely right.

 

[S E P H]

What's currently happening in the KHL with Demidov isn't good.

They don't play him anymore because he refuses to re-up in the KHL...and now the word out there is they want him to sign a new contract so they can do like they did with Michkov last year and force the NHL team to pay them to release the player from his contract.

The Flyers may have created a precedent here.

I think its fair game, it happens all the damn time in futbol. Why would they want to lose an amazing player on a free when they can get 1 to 10 million or whatever it is.

 

[Metallo]

And then what? Running into Dallas in Round 1.....

You don't get an easier 1st round unless you win the division but at least DAL is a step down IMHO.

Also, a WPG is a first round upset and you get home ice in the second round. Finishing higher matters.

 

[McMetal]

I think its fair game, it happens all the damn time in futbol. Why would they want to lose an amazing player on a free when they can get 1 to 10 million or whatever it is.

If they want to get something, they should negotiate a transfer agreement like every other Euro pro league. This is not only blatant extortion, but they are spiting a young future superstar who has done nothing wrong in the process. Demidov wants to play in the NHL next season, as is his right when his contract expires. It's despicable that his club is punishing him for playing by the rules.

 

[S E P H]

If they want to get something, they should negotiate a transfer agreement like every other Euro pro league. This is not only blatant extortion, but they are spiting a young future superstar who has done nothing wrong in the process. Demidov wants to play in the NHL next season, as is his right when his contract expires. It's despicable that his club is punishing him for playing by the rules.

Those fees for the transfer agreement leagues like SHL, DEL, Liiga, etc. are around 60k to 80k, super minimum. Demidov is at least worth 5 to 10 million to SKA. Think about how much income he will bring the Habs with jersey sales alone? Why would they want to or need to cater to the NHL's minimum value?

 

[McMetal]

Those fees for the transfer agreement leagues like SHL, DEL, Liiga, etc. are around 60k to 80k, super minimum. Demidov is at least worth 5 to 10 million to SKA. Think about how much income he will bring the Habs with jersey sales alone? Why would they want to or need to cater to the NHL's minimum value?

Well, if they don't think those terms are acceptable, that's their business. But that isn't Demidov's fault, why bully him into being part of their shitty extortion scheme?

 

[S E P H]

Well, if they don't think those terms are acceptable, that's their business. But that isn't Demidov's fault, why bully him into being part of their shitty extortion scheme?

They're doing what's best for their team/business. Ivan was always going to leave the KHL in 5 or less years, they don't need to hold him to any respect whatsoever. He's not going to be a legend for them, he has the potential to be for the Habs.

 

[Pokecheque]

AKA "I don't remember the Vegas and the Dallas series but this is what I think happened"

Nope. Wasn't injuries. Wasn't goaltending. It was coaching.

I don’t agree with that entirely. You can’t sit here and say injuries didn’t play a part.

And the goalies for the Avs in those series were Grubauer, Grubauer, and Georgiev (IIRC). Like f*** goaltending didn’t play a part in that. Bednar had the inferior goalie by far in all of those matchups. Georgiev especially.

Not going to sit here and say DeBoer wasn’t the better coach in these contests but to say it’s just coaching is ridiculous.

What's currently happening in the KHL with Demidov isn't good.

They don't play him anymore because he refuses to re-up in the KHL...and now the word out there is they want him to sign a new contract so they can do like they did with Michkov last year and force the NHL team to pay them to release the player from his contract.

The Flyers may have created a precedent here.

May have another situation like they had with Malkin back in the day when they basically snuck him out of Russia.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

If they want to get something, they should negotiate a transfer agreement like every other Euro pro league. This is not only blatant extortion, but they are spiting a young future superstar who has done nothing wrong in the process. Demidov wants to play in the NHL next season, as is his right when his contract expires. It's despicable that his club is punishing him for playing by the rules.

Yeah, but part of me also says f*** that noise. If I was 18-21 and had dreams of winnning a Stanley Cup and making millions in the NHL... why not just hop the night train to west Berlin and then get a flight to North America?

Feels like we are going back in time to the cold war here.

 

[McMetal]

They're doing what's best for their team/business. Ivan was always going to leave the KHL in 5 or less years, they don't need to hold him to any respect whatsoever. He's not going to be a legend for them, he has the potential to be for the Habs.

That does not in any way, shape, or form make it moral.

Yeah, but part of me also says f*** that noise. If I was 18-21 and had dreams of winnning a Stanley Cup and making millions in the NHL... why not just take the hop night trains to west Berlin and then get a flight to North America?

Feels like we are going back in time to the cold war here.

Actually, not a bad idea. Break his contract and just leave the country. He doesn't owe them his loyalty if they're going to hold him hostage against his will for money.

 

[Balthazar]

I think its fair game, it happens all the damn time in futbol. Why would they want to lose an amazing player on a free when they can get 1 to 10 million or whatever it is.

Fair? What do you mean lose a player?

They don't own the player's rights if he isn't under contract and you can't "lose" something you don't have.

That's extorsion, pure and simple.

 

[HartKinnon]

Those fees for the transfer agreement leagues like SHL, DEL, Liiga, etc. are around 60k to 80k, super minimum. Demidov is at least worth 5 to 10 million to SKA. Think about how much income he will bring the Habs with jersey sales alone? Why would they want to or need to cater to the NHL's minimum value?

That’s a lie. The compensation is 285K USD when player transfers to the NHL and on top of that first round pick’s team is paid 35k and picks from the other rounds net 20k for the team where they were drafted from.

 

[McMetal]

Fair? What do you mean lose a player?

They don't own the player's rights if he isn't under contract and you can't "lose" something you don't have.

That's extorsion, pure and simple.

Exactly, that would be like us demanding $10m cash from Calgary for signing Kadri.

 

[PAZ]

That does not in any way, shape, or form make it moral.


Actually, not a bad idea. Break his contract and just leave the country. He doesn't owe them his loyalty if they're going to hold him hostage against his will for money.

Are we expecting the KHL, which is basically owned by Russia/Putin to have morals? For all the grievances against Russia, this one is pretty low on the list.

As for your second point, that's an easy way for your family to mysteriously go missing. They'd happily make an example out of Demidov just like they did with Fedotov.

Fair? What do you mean lose a player?

They don't own the player's rights if he isn't under contract and you can't "lose" something you don't have.

That's extorsion, pure and simple.

And why would you expect anything less? Russia/KHL needs money.

 

[John Mandalorian]

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[Ceremony]

I remember back in the day on the old Avalanche board someone asking why Ovechkin's team wanted a transfer fee for him. "What if they pay it and he isn't any good? Give them 500k or something." Wild.

I've said it before, but it's very odd how the USA is the most hyper-capitalist state/society in the world yet its professional sports are basically a communist racket designed to provide no rights or freedom of movement for its workers and keep every franchise as level (and profitable) as possible. Just an observation.

If Demidov wants to run his contract down and leave then that's absolutely fine, but if your team was about to lose its 19 year old star player for nothing because a billion-dollar business from another country said "he's ours now" then yes, you would be unhappy.

 

[VikingAv]

Exactly, that would be like us demanding $10m cash from Calgary for signing Kadri.

No, it would be like demanding compensation for a young RFA. Which is done. Only in form of draft picks, instead of cash.

 

[missionAvs]

The Colorado Avalanche do not beat the Dallas Stars in the playoffs. They also do not beat the Vegas Golden Knights or the Edmonton Oilers. The Colorado Avalanche only beat the St.Louis Blues and the Buffalo Sabres. That's it.

 

[Vaslof]

Those fees for the transfer agreement leagues like SHL, DEL, Liiga, etc. are around 60k to 80k, super minimum. Demidov is at least worth 5 to 10 million to SKA. Think about how much income he will bring the Habs with jersey sales alone? Why would they want to or need to cater to the NHL's minimum value?

It's 285k for Liiga players. They should be increased though. Will be better for everyone.

 

[Vaslof]

Yeah, but part of me also says f*** that noise. If I was 18-21 and had dreams of winnning a Stanley Cup and making millions in the NHL... why not just hop the night train to west Berlin and then get a flight to North America?

Feels like we are going back in time to the cold war here.

If anything the new cold war will be against Europe and Russia will be on US side. Hopefully it won't get to that point, but what's happening isn't looking good. There's also a chance that Canadian players will be affected in a similar way as they've been targeted in trade war and threatened to be annexed.

 

[dahrougem2]

NHL Instagram page showed Zadorov and Lohrei attending USA/Canada final.

I miss Z so much, just his personality is awesome. Guy was so proudly cheering for Canada lol.

 

[McMetal]

Are we expecting the KHL, which is basically owned by Russia/Putin to have morals? For all the grievances against Russia, this one is pretty low on the list.

Oh of course I'm not expecting Russian oligarchs to be moral. But Seph's the one defending them as if what they're doing is OK.

As for your second point, that's an easy way for your family to mysteriously go missing. They'd happily make an example out of Demidov just like they did with Fedotov.

True... Just a monstrous racket they have going on there (and soon to be here as well no doubt).

 

[DrunkTurtle]

The Colorado Avalanche do not beat the Dallas Stars in the playoffs. They also do not beat the Vegas Golden Knights or the Edmonton Oilers. The Colorado Avalanche only beat the St.Louis Blues and the Buffalo Sabres. That's it.

That's way too early to judge. Even if we go with the premise that the Avs are worse, the playoffs have a bunch of upsets.