Other Sports: NCAA Thread v12

[Chinatown88]

Also forgot to throw this in here when it first got tweeted.

 

[Asnito]

Supposedly it was a heart attack

Leach remains in critical condition, Miss. St. says

Mississippi State coach Mike Leach remains in critical condition after being hospitalized Sunday with what has been called a "personal health issue."

www.espn.com

 

[flyershockey]

RE: Riley, see below

But yes, you cannot win without scoring a ton of points anymore. Even ultra-traditionalist Saban is at coaching conferences telling everyone he might have been raised on 20 Points and controlling the ball, but that doesn't work anymore.



I think Harbaugh and Riley are the chalk options and the closest you could come to a consensus. Day and Dabo are definitely on the downswing. I saw two mentions of Dabo and not one person mentioned Day, which is baffling to me. I can't help but think not trusting his players on the field as much as he should hurts him quite a bit here. Especially with that Michigan game fresh in people's minds where they just ran their offense at all costs. Other names I saw mentioned include Brian Kelly, Luke Fickell, Marcus Freeman, Sonny Dykes, Jeff Traylor, and the guy I ultimately settled on in Kyle Whittingham. Bonus points for the guy who said "Matt Campbell's agent." Realistically there's no way to objectively compare a Riley/Harbaugh to a Whittingham/Traylor. It's just personal preference. Well, except the guy that said Jimbo because of recruiting. That's batshit.

Kirby's an interesting parallel for Dabo and how narrative arcs impact these discussions. Clemson had two inflection points -- whenever the high-end NFL QBs ran out and when Venables left. They've failed on both. Kirby had a shot to get to the top and threw it away by sticking with Fromm and conservativeness. Now we're rapidly approaching his inflection point -- can he replace Monken? That's the difference between Saban and everybody else. His assistants turned over time and time again and he keeps replacing them well.

Whittingham is probably number three for me when you consider performance against expectations. He's got two straight conference championships and beat the trendy picks twice in both seasons (Oregon and USC).

If I had to rank them, I'd probably go something like this:
1. Whittingham
2. B. Kelly
3. Lincoln
4. Day
5. Dabo
6. Lane
7. Fickell
8. Harbaugh
9. M. Campbell
10. M. Stoops

HM: Aranda, Ferentz, Franklin (as a recruiter). I do think Heupel will stay pretty consistently good, and Lanning will end up as the best from the current Kirby tree.

I do think Kirby's done a pretty good job of succession planning on coordinators to this point, and he did just make Monken the highest paid coordinator in college football. You got to hope that he doesn't get the bug again. Schumann's name has been thrown out there lately, but you have to imagine Kirby is selling him on the Kirby development path.

 

[flyershockey]

Guess he got tired of playing RB.

Carolina fans were giving this guy the Mackey after their spring game.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Whittingham is probably number three for me when you consider performance against expectations. He's got two straight conference championships and beat the trendy picks twice in both seasons (Oregon and USC).

If I had to rank them, I'd probably go something like this:
1. Whittingham
2. B. Kelly
3. Lincoln
4. Day
5. Dabo
6. Lane
7. Fickell
8. Harbaugh
9. M. Campbell
10. M. Stoops

HM: Aranda, Ferentz, Franklin (as a recruiter). I do think Heupel will stay pretty consistently good, and Lanning will end up as the best from the current Kirby tree.

I do think Kirby's done a pretty good job of succession planning on coordinators to this point, and he did just make Monken the highest paid coordinator in college football. You got to hope that he doesn't get the bug again. Schumann's name has been thrown out there lately, but you have to imagine Kirby is selling him on the Kirby development path.

There definitely are some up and comers that have meaningful high-end potential, which is pretty new for the last while. I'm also hopeful for Heupel and Lanning in particular.

Maybe I'm crazy, but to me Mark Stoops is both a fantastic coach and his own worst enemy. If he underwent just a bit of modernization, Kentucky could really be something. They have the money.

I'm so happy not one person mentioned Hugh Freeze. Besides being a shitbag, has anyone ever gotten more mileage out of an INT that careened off of a helmet?

 

[renberg]

For starters, I detest Ohio State. That being said I think that Ryan Day is a tremendous HC. He needs to adjust his sights on the type of players that he is recruiting. Too many five star athletes with one star hearts. Ex-on the last long TD run by Edwards the closest guy in pursuit was a DB who had been blown by. The next Buckeye was the DL Harrison running after Edwards. The rest of the defense was at the line of scrimmage watching the game ending play.
There’s way too many guys reading their media clippings in Columbus. If Day changes his recruiting focus things will change there. His offensive schemes are top notch. Defense needs work.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I feel like Matt Campbell is at least trending if not there already in that David Shaw/Pat Fitzgerald bucket.

 

[renberg]

I feel like Matt Campbell is at least trending if not there already in that David Shaw/Pat Fitzgerald bucket.

IDK. He made chicken Marsala out of chicken **** at Toledo and his start at ISU was pretty good. It’s just that it’s a hard place to draw in players. Would you want to spend time there? Think weather and cultural opportunities?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sans Saban & Meyer when he was coaching it’s essentially been a reshuffling between a group of guys depending who’s doing the best at the moment. Day & Dabo’s current stock took a hit in the last two years knocking them into that fungible group of next guys. Harbaugh would have been laughed at & rightfully so but after the last two years he certainly has a case for #3 currently.

Obviously David Shaw is done & Pat Fitzgerald has Northwestern in a serious rut so you don’t have those weird overachiever types that people try to elevate right behind Saban currently.

3rd best coach is Shane Beamer. No, I am not biased. No, I will not be taking any questions or defending this proclamation. Everyone please disperse.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

IDK. He made chicken Marsala out of chicken **** at Toledo and his start at ISU was pretty good. It’s just that it’s a hard place to draw in players. Would you want to spend time there? Think weather and cultural opportunities?

I get that. But you can say the about Stanford & Northwestern in regards to hurdles that create low expectations.

I don’t think he’s bad coach or anything, just pushing back on the thought of him being one of the best in country is more so my point. They’ve been bad the last two years including the year before where some were picking them as that potential underdog playoff crasher type before the year. This year they won 4 games.

I’m just saying we create a world that everything good happens is because of them & everything bad is because of the infrastructure at school. We see plenty of guys do well at smaller schools like that & take bigger jobs with better infrastructure then they’re fully held accountable for the W/L record. Some of these guys flop with the higher expectations.

I’d be interested in Campbell if I was a bigger school with a job opening but to me he still has a lot to prove.

 

[flyershockey]

There definitely are some up and comers that have meaningful high-end potential, which is pretty new for the last while. I'm also hopeful for Heupel and Lanning in particular.

Maybe I'm crazy, but to me Mark Stoops is both a fantastic coach and his own worst enemy. If he underwent just a bit of modernization, Kentucky could really be something. They have the money.

I'm so happy not one person mentioned Hugh Freeze. Besides being a shitbag, has anyone ever gotten more mileage out of an INT that careened off of a helmet?

Agreed on Stoops, but he's been one hell of a program builder at Kentucky. He's won 10 games in 2 of the last 5 seasons, something that hadn't been done at Kentucky in 40 years prior to his arrival.

His bully ball approach is low event, sure, and he'll never beat UGA with that approach, but it's also going to keep him in most games. I guess he values that more than some of the other high variance offensive systems. Someone would go work for him with that approach if he looked for it, no doubt.

Hugh Freeze went 42-26 at Ole Miss. On top of being a bag of shit, he's got exactly one 10 win season and one good bowl win to his resume. They're in for a rude awakening on the plains when he's not the savior.

I feel like Matt Campbell is at least trending if not there already in that David Shaw/Pat Fitzgerald bucket.

He missed his shot at a big time job, but relative to expectation and resources at his disposal, I think he's been really good. Iowa State wasn't even a bowl eligible team with regularity before him.

David Shaw coached like was unaware of the concept of a forward pass. Not the same.

 

[flyershockey]

3rd best coach is Shane Beamer. No, I am not biased. No, I will not be taking any questions or defending this proclamation. Everyone please disperse.

Lil Beam getting beat up by the portal this week. Bell and Lloyd in two days.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Lil Beam getting beat up by the portal this week. Bell and Lloyd in two days.

They are stupid idiots and nobody needs them anyway.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

They didn’t have a great roster to begin with but I think pretty much any player with a pulse &/or options elsewhere has bounced West Virginia.

I thought Neal Brown would be good. He’s essentially only coming back next year because they didn’t feel like paying a $16M buyout on top of paying a new coach. His AD that hired him was fired & replaced. So in that regard it’s gonna be like Harsian at Auburn this year.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Bill Snyder trying to delete that tweet…

 

[Chinatown88]

Godspeed

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

F***

Rest in peace.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Early-to-mid 2000s Texas Tech was always a great watch. Just amazing what he did with first year starting 5th year senior QBs. We will never see that again in the transfer portal era.

I always had a soft spot for Wazzu growing up and seeing them bottom out for a decade was rough. He made them competitive again.

Speaking of Wazzu…



Cam Ward transferred there because of him too.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[Asnito]

 

[FLYguy3911]

Some of these teams would be better off offering these dollars to portal kids.

 

[flyershockey]

OSU couldn't have just missed on a recruit now could they?

I have no doubt that the kid is getting paid, but that type of NIL deal flies in the face of UGA's NIL strategy, and I doubt they just suddenly decided to go away from a winning formula.

Maybe, just maybe, all things were equal and UGA's development history tipped the scales. You know, the program that's put an absurd amount of front 7 talent into the NFL lately.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Who knows, every fan base claims they lose recruits because of NIL now. Not saying it can’t be true but it’s essentially a built excuse for explaining away why kids didn’t pick your favorite school.

There’s going to be an overcorrection on this stuff once we go a few cycles with it. There’s already rumors out there that those A&M kids from last cycle aren’t getting what they were told they could.