Other Sports: NCAA Thread v12

[Beef Invictus]

With the ability to make some money in college, I wonder how many guys who are on the line decide to stick in college and try to improve their stock and potential payout the following year. If it even matters. I'm not following closely in the slightest. Everything I think about players going to the draft and into the NHL is always wrong (except about OSU QBs) anyway.

 

[Asnito]

Looks cold in Bozeman

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Incarnate Word and Sacramento State played a basketball game last night. 66-63. Sacramento State had 49 first downs and 738 yards and lost.

 

[FLYguy3911]

At least Stanford might have an exciting offense if they hire their coach.

 

[FLYguy3911]

At least Stanford might have an exciting offense if they hire their coach.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Duggan finished second.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

@JojoTheWhale two of the hottest names in the transfer portal are WR’s from Kent State. Dante Cephas & Devontez Walker. Cephas is a grad transfer & Walker is the new undergrad transfer type.

Basically every big P5 team with a WR need is after these two. How the hell did this happen?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

@JojoTheWhale two of the hottest names in the transfer portal are WR’s from Kent State. Dante Cephas & Devontez Walker. Cephas is a grad transfer & Walker is the new undergrad transfer type.

Basically every big P5 team with a WR need is after these two. How the hell did this happen?

Holy shit. I didn’t even know Cephas was leaving.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Holy shit. I didn’t even know Cephas was leaving.

Yeah he went in the portal about a week ago. He’s got offers from Georgia, Penn State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, etc. I think those same schools essentially offered his teammate Walker too.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Their HC went to be OC for Deion. Don't see that often.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Their HC went to be OC for Deion. Don't see that often.

I propose this was a bad idea.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Their HC went to be OC for Deion. Don't see that often.

I know the more analytical types like(d) Sean Lewis. I remember someone bringing up a point before & I actually just went to look it up. But they played a murderous OOC schedule every year under him that pretty much cemented three losses into their record every year.

2022 - Washington, Oklahoma, & Georgia
2021 - Texas A&M, Iowa, & Wisconsin
2020 - Covid
2019 - Arizona State, Auburn, & Wisconsin
2018 - Illinois, Penn State, & Ole Miss

That Covid year would have been against Alabama, Penn State, & Kentucky if there was an OOC schedule. Most of those teams were top 10-15 at the time of those matchups too.

He went 24-31 overall but had a 19-17 in conference record which included 1-7 record in conference his first year. He went 5-3, 3-1, 6-2, & 4-4 after that.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I propose this was a bad idea.

We'll see. He's likely going to get some talent to work with. And I'm sure a big pay increase.

I know the more analytical types like(d) Sean Lewis. I remember someone bringing up a point before & I actually just went to look it up. But they played a murderous OOC schedule every year under him that pretty much cemented three losses into their record every year.

2022 - Washington, Oklahoma, & Georgia
2021 - Texas A&M, Iowa, & Wisconsin
2020 - Covid
2019 - Arizona State, Auburn, & Wisconsin
2018 - Illinois, Penn State, & Ole Miss

That Covid year would have been against Alabama, Penn State, & Kentucky if there was an OOC schedule. Most of those teams were top 10-15 at the time of those matchups too.

He went 24-31 overall but had a 19-17 in conference record which included 1-7 record in conference his first year. He went 5-3, 3-1, 6-2, & 4-4 after that.

Yeah I remember bettors talking about this. I think they do it to fund the athletic department.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

We'll see. He's likely going to get some talent to work with. And I'm sure a big pay increase.


Yeah I remember bettors talking about this. I think they do it to fund the athletic department.

Yeah they do it for the money.

In regards to Lewis it was probably hard for him to get serious looks at better HC jobs because he had an overall losing record. It’s obviously misleading but not many fans are gonna do a deep dive into why that is.

So taking a downgrade to OC at Colorado honestly might be more fruitful because the potential to look like an overachiever there might be greater than staying at Kent State as HC.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

He was airlifted to a hospital tonight.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Jeez. Brutal.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

This was a topic that came up in a betting Slack today. If you asked for the best Coaches in CFB, I think most people would include Saban and Kirby at the top. But who the hell is 3rd?

There are maybe a dozen choices I don't think would be crazy even if I disagree?

 

[Chinatown88]

This was a topic that came up in a betting Slack today. If you asked for the best Coaches in CFB, I think most people would include Saban and Kirby at the top. But who the hell is 3rd?

There are maybe a dozen choices I don't think would be crazy even if I disagree?

Easily Chip

@Hollywood Cannon

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Easily Chip

@Hollywood Cannon

Chip's in the top three and he's not two or three...

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

This was a topic that came up in a betting Slack today. If you asked for the best Coaches in CFB, I think most people would include Saban and Kirby at the top. But who the hell is 3rd?

There are maybe a dozen choices I don't think would be crazy even if I disagree?

If we consider that the NCAA will continue to reflect the NFL, and maybe even increase its similarities to the NFL, and if we consider that we would prefer an offensive-minded HC to a defensive-minded HC in the modern NFL, I would be happy with Lincoln Riley. Are those underlying things true? Also, I would guess there are coaches who aren't as good at recruiting as Riley - they get more out of less, so could be considered "better." I'm curious what names people would mention.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

This was a topic that came up in a betting Slack today. If you asked for the best Coaches in CFB, I think most people would include Saban and Kirby at the top. But who the hell is 3rd?

There are maybe a dozen choices I don't think would be crazy even if I disagree?

Sans Saban & Meyer when he was coaching it’s essentially been a reshuffling between a group of guys depending who’s doing the best at the moment. Day & Dabo’s current stock took a hit in the last two years knocking them into that fungible group of next guys. Harbaugh would have been laughed at & rightfully so but after the last two years he certainly has a case for #3 currently.

Obviously David Shaw is done & Pat Fitzgerald has Northwestern in a serious rut so you don’t have those weird overachiever types that people try to elevate right behind Saban currently.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Chinatown88]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If we consider that the NCAA will continue to reflect the NFL, and maybe even increase its similarities to the NFL, and if we consider that we would prefer an offensive-minded HC to a defensive-minded HC in the modern NFL, I would be happy with Lincoln Riley. Are those underlying things true? Also, I would guess there are coaches who aren't as good at recruiting as Riley - they get more out of less, so could be considered "better." I'm curious what names people would mention.

RE: Riley, see below

But yes, you cannot win without scoring a ton of points anymore. Even ultra-traditionalist Saban is at coaching conferences telling everyone he might have been raised on 20 Points and controlling the ball, but that doesn't work anymore.

Sans Saban & Meyer when he was coaching it’s essentially been a reshuffling between a group of guys depending who’s doing the best at the moment. Day & Dabo’s current stock took a hit in the last two years knocking them into that fungible group of next guys. Harbaugh would have been laughed at & rightfully so but after the last two years he certainly has a case for #3 currently.

Obviously David Shaw is done & Pat Fitzgerald has Northwestern in a serious rut so you don’t have those weird overachiever types that people try to elevate right behind Saban currently.

I think Harbaugh and Riley are the chalk options and the closest you could come to a consensus. Day and Dabo are definitely on the downswing. I saw two mentions of Dabo and not one person mentioned Day, which is baffling to me. I can't help but think not trusting his players on the field as much as he should hurts him quite a bit here. Especially with that Michigan game fresh in people's minds where they just ran their offense at all costs. Other names I saw mentioned include Brian Kelly, Luke Fickell, Marcus Freeman, Sonny Dykes, Jeff Traylor, and the guy I ultimately settled on in Kyle Whittingham. Bonus points for the guy who said "Matt Campbell's agent." Realistically there's no way to objectively compare a Riley/Harbaugh to a Whittingham/Traylor. It's just personal preference. Well, except the guy that said Jimbo because of recruiting. That's batshit.

Kirby's an interesting parallel for Dabo and how narrative arcs impact these discussions. Clemson had two inflection points -- whenever the high-end NFL QBs ran out and when Venables left. They've failed on both. Kirby had a shot to get to the top and threw it away by sticking with Fromm and conservativeness. Now we're rapidly approaching his inflection point -- can he replace Monken? That's the difference between Saban and everybody else. His assistants turned over time and time again and he keeps replacing them well.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Guess he got tired of playing RB.