Bloumeister
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Huge - and I mean YYYYUUUUUGE - fan of Drouin, from his days with the Lac St-Louis Lions to the Mooseheads in the Q, and then in the Federal League:
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Huge - and I mean YYYYUUUUUGE - fan of Drouin, from his days with the Lac St-Louis Lions to the Mooseheads in the Q, and then in the Federal League:
Paul Dipietro
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WhiskeySeven*
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Funny how Sergachev is suddenly a few years away from becoming an NHLer now that he's not the only good prospect the Habs have.
Bloumeister
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Malakhov 2.0?
Sergabust?
I say Tinordi Redux
You're wrong, though. Sergachev is the only good prospect the Habs DON'T have
Still, happy about the trade, in case my previous 'shoops don't really translate how I feel
WhiskeySeven*
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Malakhov 2.0?
Sergabust?
I say Tinordi Redux
You're wrong, though. Sergachev is the only good prospect the Habs DON'T have
Still, happy about the trade, in case my previous 'shoops don't really translate how I feel
I'm happy about the trade too, but for a while it was "Sergy + Weber >> Subban" over here from the usual suspects. Now that Sergabust is gone, the he's suddenly no longer an imminent NHL top-pairing d-man. Quite telling.
I like the trade, not crazy about that contract, but the team needs more changes. Another undersized player in the top6 will have limited utility and effect. He won't be the saviour any more than Radulov wasn't the saviour. Pleks has to go, Danault cannot play top6 C, and Patches has to be a secondary scorer (like Kessel).
Suddenly? Im not the most astute scout of young players but it was pretty clear to see he was out of place in the big show, plus that is normal for young d.
I always had to shake my head at those that had serg penciled in beside Weber next season.
WhiskeySeven*
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He was the feather in the cap for everyone who was pro-Trade. Remember?
He was pretty much penciled in to join the Habs next season, as he had nothing left to learn in the NHL. I'm saying it's telling how less bright he's shining now as opposed to a week ago. Same thing happened to Colberg.
I realise that fans will be irrationally optimistic and bullish on their prospects but we got into some serious disagreements and debates over the Subban trade and Sergachev featured in a lot of the pro-Trade scenarios. How does his departure affect THAT calculus now? Or has it been a year and so many words have been said that no one wants to bother opening that up again?
I don't care anymore, what's done is done. I'm gonna be super demanding of Weber because he's our number 1, and as it stands our number 2 is... Jeff 30 point Petry... and number 3 is old man winter, err Markov. Yay. Remember how not-tired they looked int game 5 and 6 of the first round? We're surely set to make a deep run with Huffing and Puffing Weber and Markov next year... Ugh.
We desperately need another minute-eating, two-way d-man. A Hamrlik-type. Petry is a bit overpaid for that role as he's too inconsistent.
le_sean
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Complaining about Drouin's size is like complaining about Patrick Kane's size. These two are too good for size to be a factor. This kid is about to explode in his third full season. There's no way he has a limited effect. Habs had 0 playmakers other than Radulov. They need speed and passing ability in the top 6 and they got a great up and comer. He's going to be an impact player.
Yeah I remember. I think, like often is the case, the vocal minority gets heard, and of course remembered.
I think is hilarious how we as a fanbase overrate not only our prospects but our players too.
Look no further than your rose coloured view of our top 3....
WhiskeySeven*
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I'm not complaining about his size necessarily, I'm complaining about the makeup of our top6. But keep in mind you've compared Drouin, who has less than 100 points in his NHL career, with one of the best players in NHL history.
Johnny Gaudreau was rendered less-than-effective against the Wild and he's a superior player to Drouin (at the moment anyway). I don't know enough about Johnny Dru to make an informed case for or against his talent, and do I prefer talent to anything else but there's a there's a threshold where size no longer matters due to the talent/ability. Kane is one of the only players today who has demonstrated that beyond doubt. Not sure about Drouin just yet, or at all.
Playing next to the likes of Pleks, Danault, Patches, and Gallagher will not open space up for him. He won't be a 80 point winger, but another Radulov. 60ish points. We still lack size AND talent. Good but won't put us over the hump.
Until the Habs give me something to be optimistic about, I won't have a false, saccharine, positive take on them or their abilities. They haven't reached the finals once. Do you think they'd have the stamina or skill to endure what the Preds or Penguins just did?Yeah I remember. I think, like often is the case, the vocal minority gets heard, and of course remembered.
I think is hilarious how we as a fanbase overrate not only our prospects but our players too.
Look no further than your rose coloured view of our top 3....
It's only fair to 'underrate' players who disappoint and underperform in the playoffs. In the playoffs, short as they were, Weber had his best stretch since October and he underperformed in the last two games. Markov was exhausted. In the first round.
Sergachev could have been a great piece for that transition away from Markov. Now we'll have to deal Chucky for that piece (who will be older and not ELC'd like Sergachev) and it's quickly looking like a shuffling of deck chairs on a sinking ship. What's the point of Drouin if you're going to lose Chucky - they're both ~60 point players as it stands. What's the point of getting Leddy if he's so expensive and you're going to lose Sergachev who is projected (or was projected) to be a ~40+ point d-man himself?
My concern about Drouin is if he actually does have the talent to overcome his size issue. That's it. If he does, super duper. If not - nothing's going to change even if we do keep Radulov.
Noble
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What would your opinion be of a trade involving Galchenyuk and a 1st for Leddy and Beauvillier? Assuming (huge assumption, I don't believe it is true btw) the rumours are actually true.
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Drouin might not be a saviour but if we keep Radulov and Galchenyuk we should see a pretty dramatic improvement. Drouin could very possibly be our best forward. He's almost like a mini-Radulov.
Really really have a bad feeling that MB's going to make that trade to make the Drouin acquisition moot though. We do need D but not at the expense of Galchenyuk. Unless we make more moves.
Not a hater but MB has a nack for making a good move and countering it with something bad.
Really really have a bad feeling that MB's going to make that trade to make the Drouin acquisition moot though. We do need D but not at the expense of Galchenyuk. Unless we make more moves.
Not a hater but MB has a nack for making a good move and countering it with something bad.
V13
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The most impressive thing about Drouin is his abilities to make plays while skating at close to full speed. This is a quality not many players have.
No he's not the biggest guy around but his skating , slick hands and hockey IQ make up for it. And it's not like he's Byron , DD , Gionta , Gallagher etc sized. He's 5''11 185lbs. Not a horse but not a midget either.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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Your last paragraph, the same could be said of Subban. He also had balls, attitude and performed in the playoffs. But he was not Quebecois and was ran out of town by nitwits who couldn't appreciate him.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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We don't need Dru to be a savior, but an ADDED talent. This means keeping Radulov. This means not trading Chucky for less talented pieces, but for equal or better. Long term, Sergachev would've added talent, by trading him we shortened tge waiting period to add said talent. If we trade any of Chucky, Casper or Gally, it has to be one-on-one for at least equal talent, but for different positions and needs.
I'm no fan of the Leddy-Beauvillier idea.
I'm no fan of the Leddy-Beauvillier idea.
AboveandBeyond
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i really hope Coach Julien puts Drouin on the 2nd line with Artturi Lehkonen ; If those 2 form chemistry i could see the Flying Finn scoring 25+ goals in his 2nd full pro season . I'm trying to temper my hopes for Artturi but i really see something great in him . Drouin might be able to bring that out . From what i have seen/heard he makes players better around him . Habs need scoring and we have a budding goal scorer on our team . We need to give him the best chance to continue his development. Just food for thought
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It's quite simple. If we trade Galchenyuk for a defenseman you can pretty much say goodbye to our chances of acquiring a legit 1C in our window.
MB has decided to live and die with Max, he wont trade him. Chucky is now our only real quality asset left.
And besides there's alot more chances you can get a minute-eating defenseman through free agency or with less expensive assets like Gallagher, a 1st/prospects.
MB has decided to live and die with Max, he wont trade him. Chucky is now our only real quality asset left.
And besides there's alot more chances you can get a minute-eating defenseman through free agency or with less expensive assets like Gallagher, a 1st/prospects.
Mrb1p
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Its the HF effect.
Mete is suddenly better than Sergachev, Drouin is suddenly better than Galchenyuk and conversely, Sergachev is now Lidstrom on the main boards and Drouin is Steve Begin.
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JusticeBeaver
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Drouin can pull off those dangles that Galchneyuk tries to do. I like both players though for different reasons.
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I really like this trade. I'm just curious as to what else MB might be doing to finally get a no.1 center. This trade in the present tense will mean another year of hard slogging through thick mud if a no. 1 center isn't brought in. Maybe try to trade for a No.1 and sign a No.2 like Thornton on short term contract.
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