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Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)

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lionsDen said:
Habs fans have said( I don’t follow the habs) except twice a year. That Romanov was borderline elite. Go read the Blackhawk’s board on their opinion. +shrugs+
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Romanov isn't elite but he's on his way to becoming borderline elite defensively if he keeps progressing the way he does. In a few years, he would make every single teams 2nd pairing imo.

Problem with him is that he very little offensive IQ (go read the habs board for their opinion) so that will limit his ceiling to probably #3 or he'll remain as #4 (which he very easily is at just 22).
 
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DisgruntledHawkFan said:
Dach was expected to grow into his body/skill set and not be hobbled with a bad wrist injury. He hasn't.

I get what you're saying in that the ceiling is still there but buying low in my mind implies a discount. The Habs might not be buying at his low point. They might just be buying a flawed player.
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And that's the risk you take when buying low rather than paying top dollar like the Seth Jones trade. Lower price, higher risk.
 
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I'm not at all a fan of the Habs draft night.

But the only thing I liked was this move. I'd rather have Dach than Romanov.

I think the Habs fleeced the Islanders in trading Romanov vs the 13th overall pick. If we had drafted there we might have drafted Lekkerimaki or Nazar which I think have way better upside than Romanov. I see Romanov as a solid 4th D. Can hit, good defensively, good skating, good first pass, but limited offensively.

The 13th overall vs Dach, I'm not sure. I haven't seen Dach play for the Hawks last season. I'v read some pretty negative opinions in this thread regarding Dach's play. I hope it will get better. What I remember is that in his draft year I LOVED Dach, so basing myself on that, I'm pretty hyped. Romanov vs Dach, I take Dach easily. 13th overall vs Dach I'm ambivalent.
 
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JustAHabFan said:
Suzuki is a 2C in a contender team. We need a 1C and we hoped to get it with our 1st OA. Right now Dach looked like a 3C.if his ceiling is a 2C then who will be our 1C. Slaf could be anywhere between 30-40 points to 80-90 points but the question remain the same: who is our 1C and how we are going to get him. We screwed up big time tonight.
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Like I said, it’s a gamble. We really don’t know how good Wright or Cooley are going to be. Lot of great options at center next draft as well. However, I still like Suzuki’s potential to be a point-per-game player and at $8 million a year you kind of hope he can assume that #1 role.

I personally would’ve drafted Wright, but 4 teams passed on him for a reason.
 
MTL should have drafted Wright today, him and Suzuki would be a very good 1-2 punch down the middle for many years. So now they’re banking on Dach to be the next great centre for them. Hawks gave up on tervanen way too soon and now they gave up on Dach way too soon. 3rd overall from 3 years back, 150 NHL games under his belt and you ship him out.
 
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Krett Bulak said:
Dach's ceiling is way higher than anyone available at 13, maybe even in the entire draft! He's had a serious injury, and a rough year following that injury, on a mediocre team as well, so to be honest, I am really thrilled by this trade.
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You tell we buy low but what you describe is more that we buy hi.... we buy a potential, a ceiling when in fact the guy isnt even a center and 2nd liner for the whole year with guys like Debrincat and Kane around him. Carolina bought low for KK and we pay more than double for Dach.

ottawa said:
Romanov isn't elite but he's on his way to becoming borderline elite defensively if he keeps progressing the way he does. In a few years, he would make every single teams 2nd pairing imo.

Problem with him is that he very little offensive IQ (go read the habs board for their opinion) so that will limit his ceiling to probably #3 or he'll remain as #4 (which he very easily is at just 22).
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I would say that he could become a Scottie Hannan in the making, whick make a realy good shutdown 1st pair. He has a good 1st pass, but he's just not a puckmover
 
BerthMania said:
I'm not at all a fan of the Habs draft night.

But the only thing I liked was this move. I'd rather have Dach than Romanov.

I think the Habs fleeced the Islanders in trading Romanov vs the 13th overall pick. If we had drafted there we might have drafted Lekkerimaki or Nazar which I think have way better upside than Romanov. I see Romanov as a solid 4th D. Can hit, good defensively, good skating, good first pass, but limited offensively.

The 13th overall vs Dach, I'm not sure. I haven't seen Dach play for the Hawks last season. I'v read some pretty negative opinions in this thread regarding Dach's play. I hope it will get better. What I remember is that in his draft year I LOVED Dach, so basing myself on that, I'm pretty hyped. Romanov vs Dach, I take Dach easily. 13th overall vs Dach I'm ambivalent.
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This is pretty much how I feel.
 
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DisgruntledHawkFan said:
My argument is three years later it's not really buying low. It's just buying.
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Okay? If you don't think he can reach his potential then you can be happy he was traded. Doesn't mean you will be right.

I'm sure when Chicago traded former 1st Phil Danault (5 points in 32 games at age 23) to the Habs they weren't expecting him to be putting up 20+ goals, 50+ points and being a favourite in the Selke race 6 years later. The Habs saw potential though and traded Weise and Fleischmann for Danault and a 2nd (Romanov) to buy low on a prospect that had fallen out of favour.
 
JustAHabFan said:
Suzuki is a 2C in a contender team. We need a 1C and we hoped to get it with our 1st OA. Right now Dach looked like a 3C.if his ceiling is a 2C then who will be our 1C. Slaf could be anywhere between 30-40 points to 80-90 points but the question remain the same: who is our 1C and how we are going to get him. We screwed up big time tonight.
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Suzuki is a 1C on most teams already and he's only 22. I think that's the biggest reason why management was fine going with Slaf. They believe they have their 1C already so they didn't need to go for Wright.
 
Prairie Habs said:
Okay? If you don't think he can reach his potential then you can be happy he was traded. Doesn't mean you will be right.

I'm sure when Chicago traded former 1st Phil Danault (5 points in 32 games at age 23) to the Habs they weren't expecting him to be putting up 20+ goals, 50+ points and being a favourite in the Selke race 6 years later. The Habs saw potential though and traded Weise and Fleischmann for Danault and a 2nd (Romanov) to buy low on a prospect that had fallen out of favour.
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Danault as well wasn't selling low. He wasn't a fallen out of favor player. He was on Q's shutdown line. Just they had this bad evaluation that they needed more meh wingers.
 
ClydeLee said:
Danault as well wasn't selling low. He wasn't a fallen out of favor player. He was on Q's shutdown line. Just they had this bad evaluation that they needed more meh wingers.
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How was that not selling low? You think they got Danault's maximum value in a career 4th liner and a guy in the last days of his career. Even just the early 2nd by itself should have been enough to get those two.
 
SeanMoneyHands said:
MTL should have drafted Wright today, him and Suzuki would be a very good 1-2 punch down the middle for many years. So now they’re banking on Dach to be the next great centre for them. Hawks gave up on tervanen way too soon and now they gave up on Dach way too soon. 3rd overall from 3 years back, 150 NHL games under his belt and you ship him out.
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No, habs are banking on Suzuki to be their next great centre and Dach to be a good 2C.
 
Prairie Habs said:
Okay? If you don't think he can reach his potential then you can be happy he was traded. Doesn't mean you will be right.

I'm sure when Chicago traded former 1st Phil Danault (5 points in 32 games at age 23) to the Habs they weren't expecting him to be putting up 20+ goals, 50+ points and being a favourite in the Selke race 6 years later. The Habs saw potential though and traded Weise and Fleischmann for Danault and a 2nd (Romanov) to buy low on a prospect that had fallen out of favour.
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Buying low is only something you know years after the fact.
 
GirardSpinorama said:
Buying low is only something you know years after the fact.
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Disagree. His value use to be #3 overall. Now it is lower than that and we bought him at his new lower price.

Will that ever pay off for us and will his value ever get back up to where it use to be? Who knows.
 
What exactly is Chicago's plan? Not even commenting on whether Dach is worth the assets or not, but it seems weird strategy for a rebuilding team to move a guy Dach's age (and even DeBrincat's age). It's not like both guys are 28+ years old.
 
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