Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)

[admiralcadillac]

This seems insane price to pay. I mean, Ottawa didn't pay much more for DeBrincat. And the difference between those is night and day.

Seems like they are paying for draft pedigree rather than what he has done since getting drafted. I would have kept the #13 pick every day of the week.

Yeah and you would’ve drafted who

 

[Eggtimer]

If it's true that the Habs are rumoured to be signing Malkin, they're going to be unreal down the middle.

Malkin
Suzuki
Dach

Unreal mediocre?

 

[ottawa]

Idk I like Kirby Dach but why is Montreal making this deal after such a nightmare season? How quick do they expect to turn around?

It was either Shane Wright centering our 2nd line or Dach.

Hughes chose Dach+Slaf over Wright+Romanov

Not sure what this clip is supposed to prove...Dach got burned by what might be the best defenseman of our generation, no need to crucify him....it happens.

 

[jfhabs]

I loved Romanov and I'm not too happy about this trade but I will keep an open mind and hope Dach takes the next step...but Romanov doesn't have the offense to be a 1st pairing guy imo, he wouldn't grow much more than his current #4 role.

I found he lacked the IQ to make a good first pass consistently. I still very much liked him but he's probably limited to a second pairing

 

[montreal]

Idk I like Kirby Dach but why is Montreal making this deal after such a nightmare season? How quick do they expect to turn around?

Dach just finished his age 20 season.

 

[JadedRandom]

Dach just finished his age 20 season.

And big-body players typically take longer to figure stuff out. So maybe Dach actually breaks out in a year or two, we will see.

Though I must admit that I am not happy with trading Romanov + 2 picks for Dach and his banged-up wrist. It seems like a pretty big (and unreliable) gamble to me.

And also seems to deviate from Kent Hughes' self-imposed gameplan of targetting players that are either fast, or play a "fast" type of game, neither of which relates to Kirby Dach.

 

[lionsDen]

It was either Shane Wright centering our 2nd line or Dach.

Hughes chose Dach+Slaf over Wright+Romanov



Not sure what this clip is supposed to prove...Dach got burned by what might be the best defenseman of our generation, no need to crucify him....it happens.

That was the icing on the cake. Dude got taken To the woodshed every time he played Colorado. Dach has been a disappointment for Chicago. I get it he’s new in Montreal I personally wouldn’t get to hyped though. It’s not like a lehky situation, he has some gaping holes in his game

 

[Prettyisland]

Who cares about Bobby. If he was such a genius he would be a GM winning cups

What does that make all the geniuses here? Lmao

 

[ottawa]

That was the icing on the cake. Dude got taken To the woodshed every time he played Colorado. Dach has been a disappointment for Chicago. I get it he’s new in Montreal I personally wouldn’t get to hyped though. It’s not like a lehky situation, he has some gaping holes in his game

That clip isn't indicative of that though, no one clip can really summarize a player...that's just narrow thinking.

I've said it time and time again and I guess I'll repeat it for the 100th time tonight...time will tell who won this trade. I'm not ready to call a 21 year old a bust just like I can't call KK one either.

 

[InAG-P]

Dach's ceiling is way higher than anyone available at 13, maybe even in the entire draft! He's had a serious injury, and a rough year following that injury, on a mediocre team as well, so to be honest, I am really thrilled by this trade.

Yeah I think the Dach detractors are forgetting this. At the end of the day, whether it was the 13OV or Dach, you're betting on ceilings (Dach is still 21 years old!), and at the end of the day there's a bigger sample size with Dach, and we all know players with larger frames tend to take longer to develop.

I think the Habs are betting that a change of scenery will help Dach and working with St-Louis will rejuvenate him like it did the entire Habs roster including Caufield.

I'm not crazy about the trade for the Habs, but honestly, the value is pretty similar with the 13th OV pick.

Now Romanov is just a simple formula of trading from a position of strength of address a weakness, which is fine by me.

 

[DaPhazz]

Insane price to pay

HfzzzZzzzz comment

 

[abo9]

As Hawk fan I am fine with this

Dach has been a disappointment and outside of Oilers series hasn't shown much

His wrist injury was major issue but overall he has struggled and was playing wing at parts of season so his future as a C is questionable IMO

For Hawks if they held onto him and he continued to struggle his value would be greatly diminished so moving him now while risky is also possibly smart move

Debrincat trade was abomination, but this move is more understandable and while it has potential to haunt Hawks there is also great chance it works out for Hawks IMO

Good gamble imo. Hawks are turning the clock 3 years.

Habs are getting a still young forward, but again, 3 years removed from his own draft.

That trade could haint the Hans as much as the Hawks

 

[crazyd74]

It was either Shane Wright centering our 2nd line or Dach.

Hughes chose Dach+Slaf over Wright+Romanov



Not sure what this clip is supposed to prove...Dach got burned by what might be the best defenseman of our generation, no need to crucify him....it happens.

Hughes chose Dach+Slaf over Wright+Romanov

That sums it all. I would be leaning more on the right side. In two years time we'll be able to better reevaluate this choice.

As of now, it is quite unreal to me.

 

[Gillings]

Nazar vs Dach

Hope Hughes was right

He wasn’t and now he’s got to many centres

Why did he get drafted 13th for such an elite player?

Why did Cole Caufield get drafted 15th?

 

[DaPhazz]

We just wasted Romanov and 2 picks for a 3rd Center

Sick new management , from perfect trade deadline into a Joel Armia 2.0 and a 3rd line center.
Now when we trade Petry we literally have nobody to play in the top 4 defensively.

We better win Bedard race because if not this team is doomed for 5-6 years

Yo whiteknight, sure it's a lot to take, but what would you know. Man HF is turning into a boring know it all forum

 

[lionsDen]

That clip isn't indicative of that though, no one clip can really summarize a player...that's just narrow thinking.

I've said it time and time again and I guess I'll repeat it for the 100th time tonight...time will tell who won this trade. I'm not ready to call a 21 year old a bust just like I can't call KK one

Did you miss the part where I said that was just a small slice of how bad he got abused every time he played Colorado. Seems to me that’s pretty narrow minded you missed the part where I said he got taken to the woodshed every time he played Colorado. Like seriously go rewatch/watch those games you’ll see it

I really don’t care how many times you’ve said it, I’m saying it once I don’t care who won that trade.

 

[Gillings]

The rationalization for The Habs taking Dach is hilarious.

Why didn’t they just pick BPA????

 

[JustAHabFan]

If Kirby Dach turns into a 2nd line center, this is a good deal. It’s hard to say whether I like the deal or not. It’s a gamble.

You are essentially betting Romanov’s ceiling against Dach’s. Who’s do you think is higher?

If you want to put Dach’s value against guys they could’ve gotten at #13, that’s a whole other argument. I will say you could definitely debate Nazar, Lekkerimaki, etc being potentially more valuable than Dach.

Suzuki is a 2C in a contender team. We need a 1C and we hoped to get it with our 1st OA. Right now Dach looked like a 3C.if his ceiling is a 2C then who will be our 1C. Slaf could be anywhere between 30-40 points to 80-90 points but the question remain the same: who is our 1C and how we are going to get him. We screwed up big time tonight.

 

[Prairie Habs]

If you buy a 2012 Corolla in 2022 you aren't buying low because it costs less.

Pretty brutal comparison when cars' values always drop over time. A player's value can go up or down. We are banking on his going up now that he will have a competent coach.

 

[ottawa]

Did you miss the part where I said that was just a small slice of how bad he got abused every time he played Colorado. Seems to me that’s pretty narrow minded you missed the part where I said he got taken to the woodshed every time he played Colorado. Like seriously go rewatch/watch those games you’ll see it

I really don’t care how many times you’ve said it, I’m saying it once I don’t care who won that trade.

Time will tell

Suzuki is a 2C in a contender team. We need a 1C and we hoped to get it with our 1st OA. Right now Dach looked like a 3C.if his ceiling is a 2C then who will be our 1C. Slaf could be anywhere between 30-40 points to 80-90 points but the question remain the same: who is our 1C and how we are going to get him. We screwed up big time tonight.

Suzuki just put up 61 points in his 3rd year in spite of his bad start under Ducharme...if he's not a #1C already then he sure as hell is projecting to be one.

Kid is about to turn 23 in a month, he hasn't reached his ceiling.

 

[DaPhazz]

Unreal mediocre?

Certainly better than the flames my guy

He wasn’t and now he’s got to many centres


Why did Cole Caufield get drafted 15th?

"He wasnt", says gillings

Lol

 

[lionsDen]

Time will tell



Suzuki just put up 61 points in his 3rd year in spite of his bad start under Ducharme...if he's not a #1C already then he sure as hell is projecting to be one.

Kid is about to turn 23 in a month, he hasn't reached his ceiling.

There is nothing wrong with having some optimism about a player. Yes time will tell, but Chicago just traded a player that’s still super young. That’s concerning.. It’s my opinion, but I’d temper those expectations

 

[ottawa]

There is nothing wrong with having some optimism about a player. Yes time will tell, but Chicago just traded a player that’s still super young. That’s concerning.. It’s my opinion, but I’d temper those expectations

So did the habs, Romanov is just 22 but there's nothing wrong with him.

Habs traded defense for offense.
Chicago traded offense (Dach/Debrincat) for picks and likely a lower draft position in 2023.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Pretty brutal comparison when cars' values always drop over time. A player's value can go up or down. We are banking on his going up now that he will have a competent coach.

Dach was expected to grow into his body/skill set and not be hobbled with a bad wrist injury. He hasn't.

I get what you're saying in that the ceiling is still there but buying low in my mind implies a discount. The Habs might not be buying at his low point. They might just be buying a flawed player.

 

[lionsDen]

So did the habs, Romanov is just 22 but there's nothing wrong with him.

Habs traded defense for offense.
Chicago traded offense (Dach/Debrincat) for picks and likely a lower draft position in 2023.

Habs fans have said( I don’t follow the habs) except twice a year. That Romanov was borderline elite. Go read the Blackhawk’s board on their opinion. +shrugs+