Post-Game Talk: Montreal/Reimer defeat the Leafs....

[I Am The Stig]

The only thing separating us from the Oil is Bozak, Kessel, JVR, Dion, Gunnar and Bernier. Take them out of our lineup and put them on the Oilers and things are reversed. We are not far behind them in GA, the only difference is we outscore our problems some nights.

It's absolutely mind boggling on how Edmonton didn't press hard for Bernier.

 

[HockeyGuy82]

That's a joke right? Hall Eberle Yakupov Schultz ...shall I go on? Remember the leafs when we were the youngest in the league and didnt have anywhere near the names I just mentioned...3 yrs later we put up helluva fight against the Bruins and as for this yr I wont jinx it

Yeah those poor fans.... 8-1 now. This fan base would be out of control if we were in Edmonton shoes. And they should be ****en pissed off!!

 

[Warden of the North]

The plus side to missing the playoffs is every team has a chance at 1st overall.

Maybe just maybe we win with our %0.5 chance?

 

[Erdinger]

Yeah those poor fans.... 8-1 now. This fan base would be out of control if we were in Edmonton shoes. And they should be ****en pissed off!!

We've been Edmonton for most of the post lockout period. We just didn't get to draft as high.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

It's absolutely mind boggling on how Edmonton didn't press hard for Bernier.

Nonis's best moves were trading for Bernier and re-signing Bozak no doubt. Where this team would be if he didn't make these deals, is scary.

 

[jrgtml67]

Both goaltenders were solid early on. The team turned on Reimer after the DET game where he got no support, and they're turning on him again because of the last four games where he also got no support. If he'd gotten the support Bernier had, we might be talking about how he'd gotten us points in 5/6 games, and how he would take us to the Glory Land of the Playoffs.

Bernier's getting a pass for putting up ****tier numbers because the team gave him extra goal support and What Have You Done For Me Lately Nation only remembers the pre-Olympic run and not the kind of cool Nov/Dec/Jan, while Reimer is getting crucified and e-run out of town while putting up slightly less ****** numbers with less goal support.

And that pisses me off.

I agree and disagree. I agree Reimer is getting crucified. The team has been terrible defensively all year; however it is Bernier's rebound control and ability to deflect pucks out of play when we are in trouble that is the major difference. You cant judge on save %. Reimer has played what 20 something less games that is a big difference.

I think Reimer, is the type of goalie that needs to play a lot and get in a groove to play at the top of his game. Bernier deserves to be the #1. When he is in net the team plays better, and when they dont he saves our butts. While Reimer makes several butt saving saves but the team doesnt adjust their play.

Again Bernier hardly any rebounds, deflects pucks out. So the defense cheat, to get a step ahead in the O-zone BUT with Reimer you cant do that. Reimer has never been good with his rebounds, nor has he been good at controlling where they go. The solution is collapse...4 guys around the net to clear the puck 1 guy to chase the points...or 2 guys to chase the point 3 collapse. That hasnt happened. In fact I said before I think is an eye opener for Dave Nonis. Bernier being so good at controlling the play and rebounds that us being killed in shots, and winning games while playing terrible d fence...well its caught up to us. Who is to blame?? Well the players have to take accountability for sure. Randy is a defensive specialist HOWEVER..our defense on paper isnt as bad as they are playing either...so to me its the Coach and the players.

What is different with our blue line this year vs last?

Fraser go hurt was never the same so got traded. Liles out BUT Gleason is a piece we needed..fearless, tough and blocks shots. Gardiner well he is amazing (makes young mistakes but that is expected) and Reilly the same. Phaneuf has played a lot better this year as well...look at his stats..leads d in plus minus...is up there in d points as well. He logs a ton of minutes...only knock..he cant skate. But should we be this bad with our d zone coverage? and let 30 plus shots almost every game? From bad angle or not..the answer is no.

If we dont make it in. It will be because of what Randy feared from early on. Allowing turn overs for break aways or odd man rushes, bad zone coverage for easy goals...you cant expect to be a playoff team. Bernier merely masked that. To be honest his rebound control reminds me of Brodeur. Or if you want to go with around the same age..Carey Price.

 

[jrgtml67]

We've been Edmonton for most of the post lockout period. We just didn't get to draft as high.

Bingo you hit the nail on the head. That is what I meant by my post earlier. Basically they are too young, the need time and also need a couple good trades by Craig Mac to get the right veterans.

 

[FlareKnight]

The plus side to missing the playoffs is every team has a chance at 1st overall.

Maybe just maybe we win with our %0.5 chance?

Oh boy, if this is the only hope we've got left we're in for a tough time .

It would be rather hilarious though.

 

[jrgtml67]

Nonis's best moves were trading for Bernier and re-signing Bozak no doubt. Where this team would be if he didn't make these deals, is scary.

You forgot signing Mason Raymond. Who has been streaky; however lines #2 and #3 have been made and re-made a million times..with Clarksons suspensions and injuries. In fact the best #2 line was Holland Lupul and Raymond for the stretch that Kadri was out BUT Randy never put them together again.

 

[Espher]

I agree and disagree. I agree Reimer is getting crucified. The team has been terrible defensively all year; however it is Bernier's rebound control and ability to deflect pucks out of play when we are in trouble that is the major difference. You cant judge on save %. Reimer has played what 20 something less games that is a big difference.

I'm only talking about the stretch, fwiw -- both have been good but there's no doubt Bernier has been better overall, even if I think Reimer is unfairly lambasted for the DET game that turned everyone against him.

Interestingly, despite the flaws in Reimer's game you point out, he's still got a comparable sv% over the post-break 'collapse', which is why I say the losses have got to be on the team and their offensive output (and both sv% are poor because of the team's poor defensive play). I think there are some bigger issues with the team than that, mind you, but the biggest reason for "Bernier good, Reimer bad" in the "after the break" microcosm is run support. You give Reimer the extra GF per game and we're looking at some potential OTW/OTL or SOW/SOL instead of regulation losses, and that is essentially the difference between Bernier and Reimer over this stretch -- two OTW, two OTL.

 

[jrgtml67]

Oh boy, if this is the only hope we've got left we're in for a tough time .

It would be rather hilarious though.

It would be BUT...hey its not over yet. Not only that but Leaf Nation is cursed. The only way we get 1st pick is via trade. Which would mean bye bye Reilly or Gardiner plus.

 

[Ratboy]

Is someone still arguing Reimer's case? Look, Reimer played like ****, and has been **** for awhile now. He's flawed, so flawed in his technique. Just let it go.

Healy could've done a better job tonight.

 

[jrgtml67]

Interestingly, despite his flaws, he's still got a comparable sv% over the 'collapse', which is why I say it's got to be on the team and their offensive output.

I think there are some bigger issues than that, mind you, but the biggest reason for "Bernier good, Reimer bad" after the break is run support. You give Reimer the extra GF per game and we're looking at some potential OTW/OTL or SOW/SOL instead of regulation losses.

It isnt comparable. Reimer has played 19 games less..so a quarter of the season. Not to mention that Reimer's is still on the higher end or close to Bernier because of that really good battle they had at the beginning.

If you havent read my previous posts...Ill mention that I absolutely think that people blaming Reimer for this is garbage. The best way to put it is..all year bad defense ...giving up almost the most shots per game in the league...Reimer sits for 20 games almost consecutively..then he not only get relied on down the stretch BUT Randy makes that dumb ass comment "he played just ok.." when he kept us in it that game HUGE. Ya...this was coming and Reimer's confidence is gone, the team defense is the same as its been all year...terrible. Now Dave Nonis can see what he really needs to do in the off season

 

[Espher]

It isnt comparable. Reimer has played 19 games less..so a quarter of the season. Not to mention that Reimer's is still on the higher end or close to Bernier because of that really good battle they had at the beginning.

How is comparing two six game stretches from each goaltender out of a twelve game run where the team has been 'slumping' and coasting their way out of a playoff spot 'not comparable'?

I am talking about stats OVER THE TWELVE GAMES, not whole season numbers.

Bernier is 3-1-2 over six games, with two OTW and two OTL, and he gets about an extra .5 GPG in run support. Reimer is 1-5-0, with four of the losses being by 1/2 goals (excluding the SJS game, where everyone seemed to actually be in agreement that the team just didn't show up) -- he gets that extra support and perhaps the game is a little tighter (and no EN goal late). I mean, Bernier got GF of 4/4/3/3 in those four games, and Reimer got 3/3/2/2 in the last four losses (he also got 2 in the SJ game). That's the main difference, as Bernier ended up getting OTLs in his two sub-.900 SV% games, and two OTWs in his two over-.900 SV% games (aside from the reg win), whereas Reimer ended up with losses.

 

[Ari91]

Both goaltenders were solid early on. The team turned on Reimer after the DET game where he got no support, and they're turning on him again because of the last four games where he also got no support. If he'd gotten the support Bernier had, we might be talking about how he'd gotten us points in 5/6 games, and how he would take us to the Glory Land of the Playoffs.

Bernier's getting a pass for putting up ****tier numbers because the team gave him extra goal support and What Have You Done For Me Lately Nation only remembers the pre-Olympic run and not the kind of cool Nov/Dec/Jan, while Reimer is getting crucified and e-run out of town while putting up slightly less ****** numbers with less goal support. And that pisses me off.

If the team (and both goaltenders) play the same way they've played since the break through the rest of the season, it won't ****ing matter who is in net, because the ONLY major difference is run support.



Oh, I already did that in brief after I got called on it, and I was totally proven wrong.

Since the break, Reimer is bad and should be run out of town because he puts the team into early (often 2-0) deficits and lets in soft goals goals and blows leads and can't make any key saves, while Bernier is the saviour because he puts the team into early (often 2-0) deficits and lets in soft goals and blows leads and can't make any key saves.

When a goalie has only 2 regulation losses in his last 18 appearances (minus the LA game where he got injured) and you say he can't make any key saves...I guess you don't realize how stupid that sounds. When said goalie is top 5 in the league in SV% having played in 50 games and facing more shots than perhaps every other goalie in his company, saying that said goalie can't make key says is again, stupid. Bernier is no different from any other goalie in the league, he lets in soft goals at times but he also makes more timely saves, he also keeps his team in more games and can weather more storms than his counterpart. I doubt the team is intentionally trying to lose games in order to sabotage Reimer so then if you want to claim the team is letting Reimer down, be fair and ask yourself why that may be. There is no workaround to your theory. If Reimer is being let down by his team (both goalies are often let down by their team in terms of their defensive play), then he is still a culprit in the matter because he's not inspiring confidence and his team doesn't trust him. That's not something that they hide in secret and simply decide on...their trust is inspired by their goalie. The team doesn't give Reimer any confidence and Reimer doesn't give his team any confidence.

 

[jrgtml67]

Is someone still arguing Reimer's case? Look, Reimer played like ****, and has been **** for awhile now. He's flawed, so flawed in his technique. Just let it go.

Healy could've done a better job tonight.

I smell a rat LOL

Well splinter...lets change the scenario...Reimer kept it 2-0 with two big time saves did he not? YA ! the third goal...hmmm bad give away right? And ya the 4th was bad. But what was worse? Reimer or our defense? Our defense just like all yr. You cant allow that many shots and expect to win. Bernier being the puck magnet and swallowing up pucks or deflecting them out of play is the major difference. You cannot expect a guy to sit for almost 20 games to steal the show especially when the coach makes an idiotic comment after a game where Reimer made the HON save and we lost.

 

[Divine]

Most important game of the year, couldn't buy a big save. Run with Mac until Bernier is back.

Bolland looked good.

Nice new signature..

Question: 5M X 7 good?

 

[HockeyThoughts]

Has there ever been a more glorious GIF?

 

[Espher]

When a goalie has only 2 regulation losses in his last 18 appearances (minus the LA game where he got injured) and you say he can't make any key saves...I guess you don't realize how stupid that sounds.

When people tell me that Reimer is the problem and Bernier is great when they both have one regulation win after the Olympic Break and the only reason Bernier only has one regulation loss over that stretch is because of a difference in run support (numbers are comparable otherwise), I'm amazed that they don't realize how stupid that sounds.

You might as well just say "if Reimer had significantly better numbers than Bernier, he'd be as good as Bernier". That or ask him to start scoring a goal per game, too.

I don't give two ***** if Bernier played 50 games and has been 'great' all year -- his numbers in this period are poor, and we just as likely would have lost tonight if he put up similar numbers to the rest of his post-break games, so I think it's unfair to see the amount of vitriol on Reimer that we've seen in this thread.

 

[Hurt]

Weak goalie performance. Weak D. Deserved to lose today. They picked a really great time to start sucking badly. Either that or their bad performance is catching up with them.

 

[KlaxicoBurress]

Bernier gets a pass because he's straight up better and more talented than Reimer. It's been evident since the start of the season and that's why Nonis traded for him and why he's now our #1 goalie.

He's had his share of soft goals and a couple egregious blunders with the puck to boot, but it's so clear that Bernier is the more technically skilled and athletic player of the two. He also very rarely doesn't know where the puck is, unlike Reimer who checks the back of the net each time a puck's shot at his pads.

We need Bernier back badly, he might give up 3 goals but at least they won't be wrist shots from 35ft out in the 1st period. MacIntyre must start tomorrow also. You just cannot run Reimer out there, second night of a b2b, after 4 consecutive sub-par performances including about a half-dozen saveable goals allowed. Would be irresponsible to call Reimer's number again tomorrow.

 

[colchar]

Reimer should never play another game in the NHL let alone the Leafs.

**** you Reimer. GTFO Toronto.

Trade this loser. This loser better not play another game for our team again.

 

[Espher]

We need Bernier back badly, he might give up 3 goals but at least they won't be wrist shots from 35ft out in the 1st period.

We'd totally win if he gave up three goals in the third period, instead.

Especially if the team averaged 2.5 goals per game.

 

[Ratboy]

I smell a rat LOL

Well splinter...lets change the scenario...Reimer kept it 2-0 with two big time saves did he not? YA ! the third goal...hmmm bad give away right? And ya the 4th was bad. But what was worse? Reimer or our defense? Our defense just like all yr. You cant allow that many shots and expect to win. Bernier being the puck magnet and swallowing up pucks or deflecting them out of play is the major difference. You cannot expect a guy to sit for almost 20 games to steal the show especially when the coach makes an idiotic comment after a game where Reimer made the HON save and we lost.

our defence is ****. but reimer is also not very good. i dont need to prove it, he's doing it himself. he may go onto have a mediocre nhl career somewhere else, but probably as a back up if at all. just my prediction.

splinter is a wise rat

 

[I Am The Stig]

Has there ever been a more glorious GIF?

Lol Scrivens seems like the only one who cares.


And he's been on the team for like 2 months