Mo Rielly - "Our Norris Trophy Candidate"

[Teeder Keon]

Rielly can push the pace forward by attacking with the puck but he doesn't have a great ability control the pace by intentionally slowing it down and forcing everyone to back off. Brodie has that to some degree but not the elite offensive abilities.

Great observations ....
He can still learn that great ability

 

[Teeder Keon]

Even Strength Scoring Paces Last 3yrs

1. Carlson 12gls/47pts/+13
2. Josi 13gls/43pts/+9
3. Rielly 11gls/43pts/+22
4. Makar 10gls/43pts/+21
5. Letang 14gls/41pts/+13

Truth is Rielly is likely the most underrated dman in hockey, performing similarly as most norris contenders but never receiving the respect for it.

It says everything about Toronto that Freddy has long been considered an elite goalie despite mediocre numbers while Rielly is barely considered a legit #1 despite Norris numbers.

Totally agree with your Mo Take

 

[Stephen]

Great observations ....
He can still learn that great ability

It's a rare ability. I think a lot of it is confidence and control. Whether you're talking about classic Ray Bourque, it's just a guy who has the swagger to hang back, be the safety valve, put out the fires but has the ability to bring the puck up the ice at his own leisure, be a field general on the point and there's always a feeling like it's not going to get past him.

 

[Teeder Keon]

It's a rare ability. I think a lot of it is confidence and control. Whether you're talking about classic Ray Bourque, it's just a guy who has the swagger to hang back, be the safety valve, put out the fires but has the ability to bring the puck up the ice at his own leisure, be a field general on the point and there's always a feeling like it's not going to get past him.

Totally agree
Honestly , the game is so different now
I don’t think we will find those types of great DMen in that style
Also
Brad Park
Denis Potvin
Robinson
on and on

we are headed to and on the way for more Quinn and Makar and Dahlin etc
Defense isn’t the priority and “ pacing “ the game isn’t what we are going to get moving forward
I’ve said this for a bit now , soon the evolution of the game will bring us to 5 players on the ice
Not 3 forwards and 2 Defence
I see it coming to be as units of 5 all can play in all positions

 

[Stephen]

Totally agree
Honestly , the game is so different now
I don’t think we will find those types of great DMen in that style
Also
Brad Park
Denis Potvin
Robinson
on and on

we are headed to and in the way for more Quinn and Makar and Dahlin etc
Defense isn’t the priority and “ pacing “ the game isn’t what we are going to get moving forward
I’ve said this for a bit now , soon the evolution of the game will bring us to 5 players on the ice
Not 3 forwards and 2 Defence
I see it coming to be as units of 5 all can play in all positions

Samuel Girard is another guy who's climbing the charts for me. He's just a really calm way about him when he's handling the puck. Smooth operator.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

So you're hitting numbers on squats that are elite for 300+ pound guys while weighing 50+ pounds less that 99.9% of lifters won't ever reach even with steroids. Yeah I'm calling bullshit.

Strength you are born with ... it can be enhanced but you either got it at birth or you don't ... you know something is different when you are kid beating adults at arm wrestling ... or crushing an unopened full Coke can with one hand ... da first time I lifted weights at a gym i was mid twenties and I could bench 3 plates on each side ... it has nothing to do with size even as I have seen smaller guys than me bench 405 ... same as skating you can enhance your skating technique edgework no doubt but you can see kids like McJesus when they were 6 and everyone in G/O knew he was going to show ... or Matty's shot which was world class when I first saw it when he was 10 ... you either have it or you don't and it is God given

 

[Notsince67]

So you're hitting numbers on squats that are elite for 300+ pound guys while weighing 50+ pounds less that 99.9% of lifters won't ever reach even with steroids. Yeah I'm calling bullshit.

I've spent time in the gym and have seen very few people press 400 lbs. If he could do it, it's pretty rare and elite.
That said, I can't fathom how a 400lbs bench press would assist a hockey player. An ability to push a large vertical force doesnt really translate to a horizontal pushing motion beyond the mass you are able to resist on your skates. The only thing you end up doing is carrying costly muscle mass that will deplete your gas tank quickly.
The poster's implication that Rielly is weak because at his age he was able to bench 400lbs is nothing but a dick measuring exercise. Rielly's 60 inch verical jump is far more impressive IMO.

 

[zeke]

Theathletic.com's weekly GSVA update came in:

1. Makar 3.55
2. Hedman 3.28
3. Hamilton 3.21
4. Fox 3.07
5. Rielly 2.90

 

[Mr Hockey]

I've spent time in the gym and have seen very few people press 400 lbs. If he could do it, it's pretty rare and elite.
That said, I can't fathom how a 400lbs bench press would assist a hockey player. An ability to push a large vertical force doesnt really translate to a horizontal pushing motion beyond the mass you are able to resist on your skates. The only thing you end up doing is carrying costly muscle mass that will deplete your gas tank quickly.
The poster's implication that Rielly is weak because at his age he was able to bench 400lbs is nothing but a dick measuring exercise. Rielly's 60 inch verical jump is far more impressive IMO.

i'm sure Rielly is pro hockey player strong, which is what you are saying right? they are cross fit and not power lifting strong

 

[Mr Hockey]

Theathletic.com's weekly GSVA update came in:

1. Makar 3.55
2. Hedman 3.28
3. Hamilton 3.21
4. Fox 3.07
5. Rielly 2.90

when you make these posts, you should explain what the the stat is .... I have no idea what GSVA is, i am pretty sure know one else here does either lol

 

[zeke]

when you make these posts, you should explain what the the stat is .... I have no idea what GSVA is, i am pretty sure know one else here does either lol

So Google it.

 

[Mr Hockey]

So Google it.

you dont know either eh lol, you just copy and paste stats you see somewhere lol

 

[Notsince67]

i'm sure Rielly is pro hockey player strong, which is what you are saying right? they are cross fit that power lifting strong

I would say that they have pretty tuned up central nervous systems to exert force based on quicken accelerated movements. That said, legs and hips are the most important muscle groups. Carrying excess weight wouldn't be an efficient way of expending energy. Just look at the speed and endurance levels of heavyweight MMA fighters vs lighter weights. There are huge differences.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Our defense has been offense minded during our struggle period there.
This team hasn’t been as smart as they think they are since drubbing the Oilers 3 straight. That was fun. So then they think they can forget structure and pinch and cheat and get caught out of position everywhere on the ice. Why...
They forgot defense first. Thats what just happened. They forced every play with any pressure because they were not thinking defense first.
Keefe is probably just bombarding them with video showing the cheats they were doing right today.
Points for defensemen is over rated. Any nhl defenseman can get a assist. Not so much with goals but none of our dmen are scorers.

Ottawa/Vancouver for example. These two team want to run and gun. They want to trade shots. They top of the league in shots for and shots against. We just lost 6 points to them as one of the best defensive teams in the league because we stopped paying attention to details so our defense could pinch and cheat and our forwards did exactly the same thing all them games.

Wrong. Sit back play your defense and counter punch their mistakes. Simply what we were doing all along.

Rielly needs to stop thinking offense it happens naturally for him. Attention to Details make Norris trophy defensemen. He’s been a giveaway machine. You hear him cursing about it as he does it. He’s frustrated he blows up. Rielly all sudden turns composed and nobody’s best dman in the league will be better. He’s not there most nights yet

 

[Notsince67]

when you make these posts, you should explain what the the stat is .... I have no idea what GSVA is, i am pretty sure know one else here does either lol

It is merely a score based on a number of variables weighted by coefficients. Last info I had was:

(0.75 * G) + (0.7 * A1) + (0.55 * A2) + (0.075 * SOG) + (0.05 * BLK) + (0.15 * PD) – (0.15 * PT) + (0.01 * FOW) – (0.01 * FOL) + (0.05 * CF) – (0.05 * CA) + (0.15 * GF) – (0.15* GA)

Not at all sure what outcome the author used to regress the weights if he didn't do it manually. Perhaps he took team aggregates and correlated to wins.
I've looked at some of the outcomes and for the most part it seems to match the eye test.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I would say that they have pretty tuned up central nervous systems to exert force based on quicken accelerated movements. That said, legs and hips are the most important muscle groups. Carrying excess weight wouldn't be an efficient way of expending energy. Just look at the speed and endurance levels of heavyweight MMA fighters vs lighter weights. There are huge differences.

They would be very core strong and working on explosive, dynamic/speed exercises/workouts

 

[zeke]

you dont know either eh lol, you just copy and paste stats you see somewhere lol

If you asked me what +/- or sv% was I would also tell you to Google it.

 

[Mr Hockey]

It is merely a score based on a number of variables weighted by coefficients. Last info I had was:

(0.75 * G) + (0.7 * A1) + (0.55 * A2) + (0.075 * SOG) + (0.05 * BLK) + (0.15 * PD) – (0.15 * PT) + (0.01 * FOW) – (0.01 * FOL) + (0.05 * CF) – (0.05 * CA) + (0.15 * GF) – (0.15* GA)

Not at all sure what outcome the author used to regress the weights if he didn't do it manually. Perhaps he took team aggregates and correlated to wins.
I've looked at some of the outcomes and for the most part it seems to match the eye test.

in your opinion, if we cloned Rielly and put him on the Sens would he have the identical stats as the Rielly on the leafs?

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Even Strength Scoring Paces Last 3yrs

1. Carlson 12gls/47pts/+13
2. Josi 13gls/43pts/+9
3. Rielly 11gls/43pts/+22
4. Makar 10gls/43pts/+21
5. Letang 14gls/41pts/+13

Truth is Rielly is likely the most underrated dman in hockey, performing similarly as most norris contenders but never receiving the respect for it.

It says everything about Toronto that Freddy has long been considered an elite goalie despite mediocre numbers while Rielly is barely considered a legit #1 despite Norris numbers.

Update that with giveaways beside. Rielly is over double the amount of giveaways Brodie has. Most of his ice time is even strength and powerplay. Maybe he needs some penalty kill, its gross anyways

 

[Notsince67]

in your opinion, if we cloned Rielly and put him on the Sens would he have the identical stats as the Rielly on the leafs?

Identical?...likely no. Whether it is better or worse, who can say. Erik Karlsson had crazy stats on Ottawa and was considered one of the best dmen in the league but he had relatively sheltered minutes compared to Rielly. I would say that Rielly on balance comfortably fits within the top 20 dmen in the league. He isnt a prime Doughty but he is a tough one to replace. He is definitely cheap for his contract right now and we have yet to see his peak IMO.

 

[zeke]

Update that with giveaways beside. Rielly is over double the amount of giveaways Brodie has. Most of his ice time is even strength and powerplay. Maybe he needs some penalty kill, its gross anyways

Giveaways per60 last 3yrs, minimum 82gms played:

1. Matheson 3.79
2. Petry 3.69
3. Muzzin 3.39
4. Deangelo 3.27
5. Kylington 3.23
6. Bear 3.17
7. Yandle 3.12
8. Klingberg 3.07
9. Ekblad 3.04
10. Chiarot 2.96
11. Reilly 2.94
12. Burns 2.93
13. Heiskanen 2.92
14. Mayfield 2.91
15. Chabot 2.89
16. Karlsson 2.86
17. Brodie 2.86
18. Seabrook 2.86
19. Dermott 2.84
20. Rielly 2.82
21. Letang 2.82
22. Bowey 2.80
23. Hanifin 2.80
24. Weber 2.77
25. Forbort 2.76
26. Weegar 2.75
27. Doughty 2.71
28. De Haan 2.67
29. Keith 2.65
30. McAvoy 2.64

 

[Mr Hockey]

i found this interesting ....

Total individual hits for 5vs5

• Rielly 34
• Brodie 16

Total individual hits against 5vs5

• Rielly 70
• Brodie 46

 

[Kelly]

Even Strength Scoring Paces Last 3yrs

1. Carlson 12gls/47pts/+13
2. Josi 13gls/43pts/+9
3. Rielly 11gls/43pts/+22
4. Makar 10gls/43pts/+21
5. Letang 14gls/41pts/+13

Truth is Rielly is likely the most underrated dman in hockey, performing similarly as most norris contenders but never receiving the respect for it.

It says everything about Toronto that Freddy has long been considered an elite goalie despite mediocre numbers while Rielly is barely considered a legit #1 despite Norris numbers.

Rielly won't ever be appreciated until he's gone -- just like most quality leafs defenseman of the past.

He isn't your typical bruiser defenseman so he doesn't get the love he deserves, but he's easily our best defenseman we've had in a long, long time.

If we let Mo walk, we're going to have a huge hole on our defense that we likely won't be able to plug within. Just my opinion of course.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Giveaways per60 last 3yrs, minimum 82gms played:

1. Matheson 3.79
2. Petry 3.69
3. Muzzin 3.39
4. Deangelo 3.27
5. Kylington 3.23
6. Bear 3.17
7. Yandle 3.12
8. Klingberg 3.07
9. Ekblad 3.04
10. Chiarot 2.96
11. Reilly 2.94
12. Burns 2.93
13. Heiskanen 2.92
14. Mayfield 2.91
15. Chabot 2.89
16. Karlsson 2.86
17. Brodie 2.86
18. Seabrook 2.86
19. Dermott 2.84
20. Rielly 2.82
21. Letang 2.82
22. Bowey 2.80
23. Hanifin 2.80
24. Weber 2.77
25. Forbort 2.76
26. Weegar 2.75
27. Doughty 2.71
28. De Haan 2.67
29. Keith 2.65
30. McAvoy 2.64

Awesome thanks

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Giveaways per60 last 3yrs, minimum 82gms played:

1. Matheson 3.79
2. Petry 3.69
3. Muzzin 3.39
4. Deangelo 3.27
5. Kylington 3.23
6. Bear 3.17
7. Yandle 3.12
8. Klingberg 3.07
9. Ekblad 3.04
10. Chiarot 2.96
11. Reilly 2.94
12. Burns 2.93
13. Heiskanen 2.92
14. Mayfield 2.91
15. Chabot 2.89
16. Karlsson 2.86
17. Brodie 2.86
18. Seabrook 2.86
19. Dermott 2.84
20. Rielly 2.82
21. Letang 2.82
22. Bowey 2.80
23. Hanifin 2.80
24. Weber 2.77
25. Forbort 2.76
26. Weegar 2.75
27. Doughty 2.71
28. De Haan 2.67
29. Keith 2.65
30. McAvoy 2.64

We give the puck away to much in the defensive zone. https://morehockeystats.com/teams/givetake
**Notice all 7 Canadian teams are in the top 8 teams for defensive zone giveaways. Something is going on here. The entire Division is possession possessed and won’t chip and chase or ice the puck. Something else may be at work but it seems to be showing a flaw in the possession game to me. A lack of diversity and savvy on how to play the game has filtered in. Thats sloppy hockey we are watch ing