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nyr2k2 said:
Yeah, of-****ing-course the Mets will deal a guy somewhere else other than to the Yankees. Can we all stop acting like it's some great surprise? The Mets have terrible, petty owners who would literally rather off themselves than do anything to help the Yankees. This has been established. Can we come to terms with it? Yankees fans, you can't have our players because our owners are petty ****bags.

Now, with that out of the way... Even if the Mets were good, and respectable again, they'd probably accept an 8/10 deal from some random team before a 9/10 deal from the Yankees. As division or intra-city rivals would. It's stupid purely from a baseball perspective but somewhat logical from a marketing and narrative perspective. Also, don't assume that your deal is better just because. Cashman is showing restraint so it's entirely possible his interest in someone like Wheeler, who is mediocre, is only exploratory.
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But this is precisely why the Mets are the Mets.
 
sbjnyc said:
WHy should the Mets be doing the Yankees any favors? From what I'm reading here all they'd be offering for degrom are B prospects and half a peanut butter sandwich. :)
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Yeah but the Mets and Wil(tam)pons just want to shed as much $$ right? That's why they gave away familia for dog shit. Shit, we'll even take Bobby Bonilla off their hands.
 
Yankees would have likely lost half of these guys (minus Drury) in the off season due to rule 5. I have zero problem with either the Britton or Happ deal.
 
Go Away Staal said:
But this is precisely why the Mets are the Mets.
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Yeah but let's not act like it's always been this way. They've won a couple times, which isn't shit to brag about, but is still the same or more than the Phillies and Indians (who were around waaaay before the Mets), the Royals, Jays, Astros, Angels, Rangers, Padres, Brewers, Nats and Mariners--counting all past iterations of those franchises. Most of those teams have only made the World Series two or fewer times. If the Mets didn't play in the same city as the Yankees, they of the 27 championships (albeit one in 17 years!) then they wouldn't get half the shit they do.

Not that the Mets were any great shakes prior to it, but the Madoff thing really f***ed over the Wilpons (who already sucked) and made things ten time worse. The Mets have always had some degree of inherent comedic tendency, but that was generally reserved for on-field stuff. They were lovable even in defeat. "Dem Bums" left Brooklyn but made a home in Queens. But again, the Madoff shit, the Wilpons started to lose it. They couldn't operate the club like a team based in New York, and then came just a comedy of errors with front office things, no communication in the organization, no one knowing what's going on, the obsession with the Yankees, etc. It wasn't always like that. You know, they sucked, but they didn't embarrass themselves--not this way. The shit now, it all starts from the top.

We rush our injured star OF back from rehab so he can play (Subway Series, of course!) because our owner wants to. Then he says afterwards he probably needs surgery--a revelation to apparently everyone. The manager says nothing after the game and then the next day says he didn't hear about it and doesn't know about it. Are you f***ing kidding? And none of our 3 f***ing general managers are even around to answer a question about it, let alone explain the breakdown in communication. Then, it's "Callaway misspoke." And then Cespedes has surgery, which the Mets seem to insinuate isn't necessary. It's literally Monty Python shit. And "improving communication on injuries" and generally doing better to avoid them in the first place (new conditioning program, dietary stuff, whatever) was a f***ing point of emphasis in the offseason.

Again though, when you say, "That's what makes the Mets the Mets," it's not, really. I mean, maybe it is now, because ownership has turned things into a circus. But it hasn't always been like this. It wasn't like this, even when the team was bad. Then, we were just...bad. And it was okay, you could accept it. Now it's something different. But that's a new thing, or, relatively new. Within the past decade.

This is why I mainly laugh when random losers on message boards (not you) or in comments sections try to troll the Mets. What the f*** do they think they can say that would possibly troll a Mets fan more than what the team is already doing to us?
 
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This may have already been discussed to death on this forum, but I am posting for the first time here. What are Mets' fans thoughts regarding trading with the Yankees? Do you take the view of the ownership/leadership and not want to trade with them even if they have the best offer? Or, do you get upset that they don't make the best move to improve the team regardless of who the trade partner is?

I understand not wanting to help a "rival", but wouldn't trading to a team in the division or the NL be worse than helping the Yankees? They aren't going to keep you from making the playoffs or advancing to the World Series.
 
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Bozle said:
This Heyman guy saying it’s doubtful the Mets would trade Wheeler to the Yanks.

WHEELER. Not deGrom, not Syndergaard. ****ing WHEELER.

What a pathetic franchise.
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Maybe they felt the value wasn't there?
 
Digable5 said:
This may have already been discussed to death on this forum, but I am posting for the first time here. What are Mets' fans thoughts regarding trading with the Yankees? Do you take the view of the ownership/leadership and not want to trade with them even if they have the best offer? Or, do you get upset that they don't make the best move to improve the team regardless of who the trade partner is?

I understand not wanting to help a "rival", but wouldn't trading to a team in the division or the NL be worse than helping the Yankees? They aren't going to keep you from making the playoffs or advancing to the World Series.
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We are not opening pandoras box again


But welcome to the forum
 
RGY said:
I hate it. Years of control on Drury who i think is a solid player plus Mckinney who is insurance in the OF, especially if Gardner isnt brought back, Frazier gets dealt, and Florial not ready.

Dont like it for a rental
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McKinney is a 4th outfielder at best. No loss.
 
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Yes. He'll have a ton to say about whether or not they want to with how he throws between now and when ever the season is over.

darko said:
Drury is dime a dozen player.
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I think hes better than that.

I don't have an issue with whats going out as much as I do with whats coming in. I really, really hope that this is the first (and smaller) of 2 deals for the rotation.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Would he take a 2 year deal? They would seem to need another solid starter for the next couple of years. Even if he is just a 4
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Let's see how he does this year. No issue resigning him if his numbers back it up. But also need some space for some of the Sheffields of the world. Of course, if CC decides to hang it up also factors in.
 
Get me 1 more arm to force Gray out of the lineup. Another #3 type so they have a #1, 2 and then 3 potential #3 with Gray at #6 to fill in case someone gets hurt.
 
Digable5 said:
This may have already been discussed to death on this forum, but I am posting for the first time here. What are Mets' fans thoughts regarding trading with the Yankees? Do you take the view of the ownership/leadership and not want to trade with them even if they have the best offer? Or, do you get upset that they don't make the best move to improve the team regardless of who the trade partner is?

I understand not wanting to help a "rival", but wouldn't trading to a team in the division or the NL be worse than helping the Yankees? They aren't going to keep you from making the playoffs or advancing to the World Series.
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If I had a deal from the Brewers that I felt was an 8/10 in terms of return, and a deal from the Yankees that was an 8/10, I'll take the Brewers' package every f***ing day. If I'm going to help my crosstown rival win a trophy, I need to get a premium on my return.

If the Yankees offer me more than the Brewers, I will take the Yankees' offer (assuming it's a notable amount more--if it's just an extra throw-in, f*** it). You do what's best for the team. Again though...all things being equal, I will take a non-Yankees offer over a Yankees offer. And although it's been really rare that the Mets would be buying and the Yankees would be selling, I would expect Yankees fans to prefer an equal offer from the Brewers to one from the Mets.
 
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