Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[Tak7]

Exactly, the leafs were going to have to give some sort of trade protection, but it’s on the team to negotiate a limited trade protection or find a way to meet in the middle. 10 team list. The team did not even leverage the NTC to get lower on the AAV. It’s a mess from Dubas

He got more term than Point, more money than Rantanen, and better trade protection than both - it's one of the most poorly negotiated contracts the Leafs have handled in the cap era. And it felt obvious at the time as well.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I've always said Frank Servaille is a generational reporter. A man of integrity, honour, and always has his facts straight. He certainly is a man whose hair turned white at the age of 20. He knew the entire Seattle expansion draft team the day before. A gentleman, and a scholar.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I've never been in Darren Ferris's office, but I'm willing to bet he has a copy of Marner's contract framed somewhere.

Well he sure as shit doesn't have the $64M contract that was offered to Taylor Hall that he told him to turn down and go to Buffalo for a season. What a train wreck that turned out to be for Hall....he signs in boston for 1/2 the AAV and then gets traded to Chicago....what a disaster.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Ferris screws up the $64M contract that was offered to Taylor Hall that he told him to turn down and go to Buffalo for a season. What a train wreck that turned out to be for Hall....he signs in boston for 1/2 the AAV and then gets traded to Chicago....what a disaster.

This Darren Ferris is a horrible agent.

Start a thread about him. More discussion needed.

 

[francis246]

Yep, started by caving to Nylander, then made worse by signing Matthews before Marner.

100% and I don’t buy anyone who claims what was the leafs supposed to do. Marner’s camp demanded it. Well Dubas wasn’t afraid to let Nylander sit based on his demands. So why wasn’t he afraid to sit Marner? Team leverage only applies to one guy all of a sudden lol?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Marner’s camp demanded it.

And now we demand he move on.

Marner is hopefully not interested in tanking his long term value by holding out against a team wanting to move on.

Mitch: you'll be on PP2 and driving the third line. The. team. isnt. interested.

Mitch feel free to screw over the Leafs. Feel free. You have the right to do so. But you surely should know, this shit isnt going to end well for you.

 

[mikeyz]

Dubas was schooled. He makes Sakic look like Toe Blake. I honestly cannot believe the Pens gave him a 7 year deal to be their POHO. The joke is on them.

Ohhhh it’s going to be glorious watching him burn the Penguins organization to the ground over these next 7 years.

I just feel bad for Sid and Gino. Those 2 guys deserve better then what they’re going to get in the home stretch/twilight of their careers.

 

[Arzak]

Again if they demand it, he is an RFA, you do not need to agree to it. Let him sit, they had no problem letting Nylander sit. So don’t try and tell me that they couldn’t do the same for Marner. It’s crazy to me that you blame Marner for an NMC when the team could just literally say no.

I don't get what you are basing your assumptions on. He threatened with Swiss leagues and offer sheets. "Team could just say no", again making it sound like you know it wasn't a sticking point along with his high AAV.

For the record, I blame Kyle the most, but let's not pretend NMC is anything but Mitch's demand after he threatened to play in Europe. Plus Kyle tried to get rid of him before it kicked in, something you rarely mention.

 

[supermann_98]

100% and I don’t buy anyone who claims what was the leafs supposed to do. Marner’s camp demanded it. Well Dubas wasn’t afraid to let Nylander sit based on his demands. So why wasn’t he afraid to sit Marner? Team leverage only applies to one guy all of a sudden lol?

Then you have those saying RFA offer sheets were going to be offered to Marner .... Ummm, so what? An offer sheet was offered (and signed) by Aho and the Canes came away laughing with that contract. If an offer sheet was signed by Marner, we could've walked away with 4 first round picks, or more likely we would've matched the deal which sure as HELL would've been better than the one Dubas caved into agreeing to

 

[francis246]

I don't get what you are basing your assumptions on. He threatened with Swiss leagues and offer sheets. "Team could just say no", again making it sound like you know it wasn't a sticking point along with his high AAV.

For the record, I blame Kyle the most, but let's not pretend NMC is anything but Mitch's demand after he threatened to play in Europe. Plus Kyle tried to get rid of him before it kicked in, something you rarely mention.

Kyle was fired before he could make the deal but yes I agree Kyle was going to move him. But that’s the whole point, you can’t let the guy strong hold you, trade his rights and let another team deal with his non sense. All I’m saying is Dubas could have had a stronger back bone

 

[notDatsyuk]

PPG Willie yes. The Willie who Tre caved to, no. I was thinking 30-40 goals and 40 assists.

Seriously, I doubt there was any time when Mitch would get you Willy plus a first.

 

[Gallagbi]

This Darren Ferris is a horrible agent.

Start a thread about him. More discussion needed.

...or discuss it here?

 

[ACC1224]

100% and I don’t buy anyone who claims what was the leafs supposed to do. Marner’s camp demanded it. Well Dubas wasn’t afraid to let Nylander sit based on his demands. So why wasn’t he afraid to sit Marner? Team leverage only applies to one guy all of a sudden lol?

Once he caved to Nylander he lost any leverage.
What is it you feel he demanded ?
He wasn't afraid to let Marner sit. He signed him to what he though was a fair contract.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yep, started by caving to Nylander, then made worse by signing Matthews before Marner.

As far as the NTCs go, Nylander only got a modified one. The full NTCs started with Matthews and Marner.

Even before that he gave Tavares, who we didn't need, a full NMC. That's really where the mess started.

 

[ACC1224]

As far as the NTCs go, Nylander only got a modified one. The full NTCs started with Matthews and Marner.

Even before that he gave Tavares, who we didn't need, a full NMC. That's really where the mess started.

Not really that surprising, Nyalnder has always been the 3rd wheel.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Once he caved to Nylander he lost any leverage.
What is it you feel he demanded ?
He wasn't afraid to let Marner sit. He signed him to what he though was a fair contract.

He caved to Nylander and gave him $7 and an M-NTC, and gave Marner a fair contract of $11 and a full NTC?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Not really that surprising, Nyalnder has always been the 3rd wheel.

Fourth wheel, despite being the second-best player.

The surprising part is that some people think the mess started with his contract, which actually turned out to be the best value of the four.

 

[ACC1224]

Fourth wheel, despite being the second-best player.

The surprising part is that some people think the mess started with his contract, which actually turned out to be the best value of the four.

It absolutely started with his contract.

People certainly like Nylander; he seems nice but I don’t think anyone objectively would call him the 2nd best player. He’s closed the gap though but not there yet.

 

[hullsy47]

You are not lying on this one.

Is serevelli like eklund ?
Maybe like that james tanner cat

He got more term than Point, more money than Rantanen, and better trade protection than both - it's one of the most poorly negotiated contracts the Leafs have handled in the cap era. And it felt obvious at the time as well.

Just a junior gm playing with big boy tools

 

[notdoneyet]

Let me double down on your point of having him for Free after this next season.

Here is a list of the top UFA players after 2024-25.

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Here are the leading playoff scorers the past 4 seasons compared to Marner.

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Show of hands here Leaf Nation.

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Who wouldn't rather see Marner (if you can't trade him) simply walk away and recapture his $10.9 mil, and offer that to Mika Rantanen or Leon Draisailt as his replacements (if available), if you're looking at investing $12 mil or more in a player?
That would be a wise contract investment to expect a great return on your investment come playoff time, with proven playoff warriors worth every penny of that +$12 mil contract.

Anyone without your hand raised is clearly just a Marner fan, and not focused on playoff productivity, if re-signing Marner for $12 mil + is your choice. IMHO

You can dream all you want
Rantanen and drai will not reach free agency
They will be resigned

 

[hullsy47]

I've always said Frank Servaille is a generational reporter. A man of integrity, honour, and always has his facts straight. He certainly is a man whose hair turned white at the age of 20. He knew the entire Seattle expansion draft team the day before. A gentleman, and a scholar.

Is he legit .itd be nice if u find out seraveli has dreger like c9nn3ctions

 

[notDatsyuk]

It absolutely started with his contract.

People certainly like Nylander; he seems nice but I don’t think anyone objectively would call him the 2nd best player. He’s closed the gap though but not there yet.

So the mess started because of the only good contract of the four? That doesn't make sense.

Other than Matthews, who do you think is better? You could argue that both Tavares and Marner were better at the time (they were putting up better numbers), but he pretty clearly passed them both a couple of years ago.

 

[ACC1224]

So the mess started because of the only good contract of the four? That doesn't make sense.

Other than Matthews, who do you think is better? You could argue that both Tavares and Marner were better at the time (they were putting up better numbers), but he pretty clearly passed them both a couple of years ago.

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavares

 

[notDatsyuk]

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavares

Well, we disagree.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavares

That's a decent regular season list, now do playoffs.