Mitch Marner Offseason Continued

[Atomos2]

Point is a good player but Marner on Tampa would rip an opposing teams face off.

Except in the playoffs.

 

[Notsince67]

Except in the playoffs.

Marner had great success playing against the best line in the league in the playoffs before pairing up with Matthews and playing a Keefe system.
Why are you pursuing this and instead asking why Matthews has yet to find great playoff success playing against the toughes Qoc? Seems that he is the player on the the team that has questionable bonafides playing unsheltered.

 

[Trapper]

It's more like changing the discussion because it's impossible to justify your original statement. Even comparing series to series contributions doesn't come close to justifying the idea that Point vs. Marner in those series was the difference of 2 series wins vs. none.

This is like judging Ovechkin by his playoff assists.

It's pretty ridiculous to suggest he had no pressure, and again, you're missing the point of the post you quoted.

Except you don’t pay 11 million for assists.
How much did Backstrom make in comparison to Ovi? And what were his assist numbers?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Point is a good player but Marner on Tampa would rip an opposing teams face off.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

He denied himself any leeway/sympathy with me when he held out for more money. It was clear then what his main priority was/is: greed fuelled by ego and a maniacal parent.

 

[United35]

everyday I log into HF and hope I see a green highlighted text that says confirmed with link "Marner has been traded" and my disappointment continues

and what is the hope for a return?

 

[Notsince67]

Except you don’t pay 11 million for assists.
How much did Backstrom make in comparison to Ovi? And what were his assi numbers?

You pay players for a lot of different reasons. Bob Gainey didn't get much points at all yet went to the hall of fame.

 

[Notsince67]

He denied himself any leeway/sympathy with me when he held out for more money. It was clear then what his main priority was/is: greed fuelled by ego and a maniacal parent.

One could argue that it was Dubas who held out for less when an 8-8.5MM per year offer the year before would have sealed the deal.

 

[supsens]

Except you don’t pay 11 million for assists.
How much did Backstrom make in comparison to Ovi? And what were his assi numbers?

He makes 9.2 and Has not cracked 1P/PG in the last few years.

 

[sparxx87]

He makes 9.2 and Has not cracked 1P/PG in the last few years.

On his 3rd contract. Look up his second contract. (6.7M per)

...and Backstrom is a complete, elite two-way centre. He’s miles better than Mitch Marner will ever be.

 

[ACC1224]

Point is a good player but Marner on Tampa would rip an opposing teams face off.

I’ve wondered how much affect the team has on the player. Leafs are full of guys that do fly bys where other teams finish every check. Point for example may not be the same player on the Leafs.

 

[Notsince67]

I’ve wondered how much affect the team has on the player. Leafs are full of guys that do fly bys where other teams finish every check. Point for example may not be the same player on the Leafs.

I see it as more than a coincidence that the team hits less and gets into fewer penalties than every other team. Do you really think that all roster players would avoid finishing checks if the coaching staff was demanding that they do?
This is a philosophical approach...not a mental failure on the part of every player on the team.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

I’ve wondered how much affect the team has on the player. Leafs are full of guys that do fly bys where other teams finish every check. Point for example may not be the same player on the Leafs.

Dubas' obvious philosophy for the longest time was to try and figure skate around the other teams with skill and basically dictate to the rest of the league how the game was going to be played. Well, he failed at that miserably and only recently tried to up the truculence with signing has-beens like Simmonds, etc. Even Simmonds stopped playing physical after his injury....why would he bother? No one else on the team is willing to do so outside of a couple of guys.

 

[socko]

Top 25 all time leaf point leader in over 100 years , top 14 career assists ...at only 24 years old and a career ppg+ player entering his prime. I'd guess there is more than an outside chance

Some people want to put Patrick Marleau in the HOF. If that's the standard, then it becomes a pretty inconsequential accomplishment. Gretzky and Marleau. These 2 are not the same.

 

[Notsince67]

Some people want to put Patrick Marleau in the HOF. If that's the standard, then it becomes a pretty irrelevant accomplishment. Gretzky and Marleau. These 2 are not the same.

Wow. Comparing Gretzky to Marleau as a strawman argument why Marners career accomplishments to date hasn't been outstanding is the epitome of un-creative rhetoric.
Do better.

 

[Trapper]

You pay players for a lot of different reasons. Bob Gainey didn't get much points at all yet went to the hall of fame.

Back in the day of no salary cap right?
In order to keep him they had to get rid of other things yes? In a cap world with 2 other double digits salaries, in order to be paid franchise money you have to do a little more than just other things.

 

[Notsince67]

Back in the day of no salary cap right?
In order to keep him they had to get rid of other things yes?

The Canadiens would never have moved Bob Gainey. He was an essential piece of that dynasty

 

[socko]

Wow. Comparing Gretzky to Marleau as a strawman argument why Marners career accomplishments to date hasn't been outstanding is the epitome of un-creative rhetoric.
Do better.

He's got a ways to go to catch Marleau who has 72 playoff goals. Mitch has 5.

 

[Trapper]

The Canadiens would never have moved Bob Gainey. He was an essential piece of that dynasty

Now that you have used Canadiens, dynasty and we have Mitch Marner in this I will have to disagree with your views and move on from this.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The only similarity between Tampa and Toronto is we both wear the same colours. Other than that, there isn’t really any similarity in terms of playoff record, team construction or drafting record.

That's just simply not true. Again, the Leafs would have been torn apart if they were Tampa after being swept by Columbus that year, regardless of rounds they may have won a decade ago, and many of you who are advocating for moving Marner would have been advocating for moving Point. Hopefully Point's playoff performances since are helping you understand how misguided that is, and why you don't throw away young talents like Marner.

There is no significance to that fact.

Interesting. So when it was Point doing that, that type of fact meant, and I quote, "a 21 year old on an ELC punching well above his weight and proving big game abilities right away. It's what makes him special." When it's Marner, it's "no significance". Hmm..

 

[ToneDog]

Rddle me this. Which teams would take Marner for Ranta, Aho, Point, Barzal, Pasta, Draisaitl, Nylander, Caufield, Jones, Eichel, Connor, Boeser, Tkachuk. Pretty much tells you how overpaid Marner is.

Now ask yourself which teams would trade Matthews for the same players. Pretty much tells you Matthews is not Marner's comparable.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Except you don’t pay 11 million for assists.
How much did Backstrom make in comparison to Ovi?

Forwards are paid for offensive generation and production, which can include goals or assists. Primary assists especially are similarly valuable to goals. Backstrom was easily a worse player than Ovechkin - it wasn't just a difference in playstyle - so not sure what that has to do with this.

 

[Carltons Cup]

Maybe Marner should spend the offseason training with Navy Seals or Special OP Forces.

That might help him to grow a pair come playoff time.

 

[ToneDog]

That's just simply not true. Again, the Leafs would have been torn apart if they were Tampa after being swept by Columbus that year, regardless of rounds they may have won a decade ago, and many of you who are advocating for moving Marner would have been advocating for moving Point. Hopefully Point's playoff performances since are helping you understand how misguided that is, and why you don't throw away young talents like Marner.

Interesting. So when it was Point doing that, that type of fact meant, and I quote, "a 21 year old on an ELC punching well above his weight and proving big game abilities right away. It's what makes him special." When it's Marner, it's "no significance". Hmm..

Cooper has said it many times. After losing to CBJ, they figured out the recipe (and it was not all the value signings). Dubas clearly has not and will not due to the cap and not having much in the pipeline. He can't even resign his 5th best forward and wants to compete for the SC with Campbell as his #1. Spin away.

 

[Notsince67]

He's got a ways to go to catch Marleau who has 72 playoff goals. Mitch has 5.

Yeah...here is news...Marleau aint getting into the hall of fame for his playoff goals.
I said do better.