Mitch Marner discussion continues

[Stephen]

Quite a different response than Mitch's

Most teams don’t win, but it feels a little better knowing the loss bugged your players more than it bugged you.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Most teams don’t win, but it feels a little better knowing the loss bugged your players more than it bugged you.

Hearing something along these lines from Marner in the season ending presser would have been much better for his image.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I think willie is decent. 25% shooting % is lucky

Will NEVER happen to Marner.

25% shooting is a sign someone can finish. Does it last ? No.

 

[Notsince67]

Nylander could have shot at 1% over the past 18 playoff games and STILL would have had more goals than Marner... I'm happy Marner's regular season numbers are good enough for you. However most people here are looking at value and as it stands Marner is overpriced given his lack of finishing ability in general but especially in the playoffs. This is a salary cap system you can't expect to compete if you're paying wingers 11M for 1 goal in 3 playoff series.



If 3 points in games 5, 6, and 7 while playing a brand of playoff hockey isn't rising to the occasion than your expectations are too high. We can't have people saying Nylander is overpaid, and then in the same breath have expectations that he goes 1.5PPG in the playoffs while being a Selke Candidate player.

You forgot about all the goals that went in the net the other way while willy was on the ice

 

[freshwind]

You forgot about all the goals that went in the net the other way while willy was on the ice

?? willie was plus 3 ... marner plus 1 ????

 

[JT AM da real deal]

?? willie was plus 3 ... marner plus 1 ????

Willy and Kerfoot were only 2 reasons we were even in a game 7 .. be real folks .. they were our team

 

[Notsince67]

?? willie was plus 3 ... marner plus 1 ????

At a 25% shooting percentage

 

[Notsince67]

Willy and Kerfoot were only 2 reasons we were even in a game 7 .. be real folks .. they were our team

They were on the kiddie pool line

 

[Racer88]

Most teams don’t win, but it feels a little better knowing the loss bugged your players more than it bugged you.

This is what a responsible player does. He accepts his short comings

 

[Racer88]

Hearing something along these lines from Marner in the season ending presser would have been much better for his image.

Instead all we heard was…….we had good looks and I’m not changing anything in my preparation for next year.
No goals in 3 seasons playoffs and this is what we hear from him.
He can’t be gone soon enough for me and his buddy Austin can be out the door soon after him. Take the 22 million and get some decent skilled players with heart

 

[Gallagbi]

You forgot about all the goals that went in the net the other way while willy was on the ice

It'll be a while before I forget that ugly turnover in Game 7 by Marner or the needless puck over the glass penalty while short handed. At the end of the day Mitch made key mistakes that led to big goals for the Habs down the stretch. He was on for 4 of their last 6 goals and was the major factor in another with that over the glass penalty.

Not sure an argument about how much he contributed defensively does much

 

[Curt]

Hahaha this stuff is hilarious
Marner is unlucky because he failed to produce.
Willy is lucky because he produced.
I guess Marner has been unlucky the last 3 playoffs
This is ludicrous
Hahahahaha

Lots of Paul marner burner accounts working overtime lately

 

[JT AM da real deal]

They were on the kiddie pool line

whatever that means .. they consistently broke through Habs defense with their speed .. it is only way to do it against fearsome 4some .. you can't skill your way through it .. you either use one of 2 methods in pro hockey -- your speed with blowbys OR you resort to game I played where you take on Weber and Edmunston and knock one or both out cold and stand over them as they lay in their blood .. take da game suspension .. but that game has gone way of DO DO bird and quite frankly many of us would have been thrown in jail for things that occurred with stick swingings, running guys heads into glass with intent to injure, putting your stick so far up a guys junk that he became your b*tch rest of game etc etc

 

[freshwind]

At a 25% shooting percentage

hahahaha ... i forgot that expected goals wins games and not actually, you know, scoring more real goals than the other team ........
and 25% is a helluva lot better that ZERO ...........

 

[Stephen]

Hearing something along these lines from Marner in the season ending presser would have been much better for his image.

Marner is well on his way towards having that defiant, combative relationship with the media we saw with Kessel and Phaneuf in their later years in Toronto.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Marner is well on his way towards having that defiant, combative relationship with the media we saw with Kessel and Phaneuf in their later years in Toronto.

C'mon covid was hard on him
He really shouldn't speak to the media - he comes off as totally immature and tone deaf

 

[Gallagbi]

Marner is well on his way towards having that defiant, combative relationship with the media we saw with Kessel and Phaneuf in their later years in Toronto.

It'll be more with the fans than the media IMO. That letter after his contract wasn't to appease media, it was to reconcile with the fans.

 

[Gabriel426]

Stop comparing Marner to Willie, that’s disrespectful. Marner is a top 5 points producer and 2nd highest paid winger, his comparable are Ovie, Kane, Panarin and Kuch.
Marner played with a Rocket Winner and Hyman while Willie played with a waiver pickup and 3C.
Marner PK while Willie often sat on the bench or in the box during PK.
Willie shoot at goalie hoping it goes in, Marner deked around the goalie to get a complete open net goal.
Marner took more hits than most forwards on the Leafs.
Did I miss anything?

 

[Notsince67]

It'll be a while before I forget that ugly turnover in Game 7 by Marner or the needless puck over the glass penalty while short handed. At the end of the day Mitch made key mistakes that led to big goals for the Habs down the stretch. He was on for 4 of their last 6 goals and was the major factor in another with that over the glass penalty.

Not sure an argument about how much he contributed defensively does much

Not sure how much an argument to trade a 100+ pt player who generated a ton of scoring chances and was shut down by a hot goalie on a team going to the stanley cup does

 

[ShaneFalco]

Stop comparing Marner to Willie, that’s disrespectful. Marner is a top 5 points producer and 2nd highest paid winger, his comparable are Ovie, Kane, Panarin and Kuch.
Marner played with a Rocket Winner and Hyman while Willie played with a waiver pickup and 3C.
Marner PK while Willie often sat on the bench or in the box during PK.
Willie shoot at goalie hoping it goes in, Marner deked around the goalie to get a complete open net goal.
Marner took more hits than most forwards on the Leafs.
Did I miss anything?

It's all his apologists have. That and trying to justify his cap hit

 

[Gabriel426]

hahahaha ... i forgot that expected goals wins games and not actually, you know, scoring more real goals than the other team ........
and 25% is a helluva lot better that ZERO ...........

To his defence, he said Willie can’t keep up 25% and that’s destine to decrease, which he is right. While Marner 0% will certainly increase. You can’t stay 0% forever. Even Muzzin got 2 goals in the playoffs.

 

[Stephen]

It'll be more with the fans than the media IMO. That letter after his contract wasn't to appease media, it was to reconcile with the fans.

We can call it the “public” for a big catch all since he’s not likely going to be engaging with any conversation with fans in that kind of format.

The problem with this dynamic is the player takes an attitude where they’re going to do their own thing with the mentality that “I contribute plenty to the team, screw the public, and what they think.” And your fanbase and player become misaligned in terms of success and failure.

Downward spiral continues if the team struggles and ultimately it’s headed towards a divorce.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Marner is well on his way towards having that defiant, combative relationship with the media we saw with Kessel and Phaneuf in their later years in Toronto.

Marner, 32 games of playoffs in Toronto; 5 goals
Kessel, 7 games of playoffs in Toronto; 4 goals

I can say a lot about Phil but the man produced.

 

[Notsince67]

whatever that means .. they consistently broke through Habs defense with their speed .. it is only way to do it against fearsome 4some .. you can't skill your way through it .. you either use one of 2 methods in pro hockey -- your speed with blowbys OR you resort to game I played where you take on Weber and Edmunston and knock one or both out cold and stand over them as they lay in their blood .. take da game suspension .. but that game has gone way of DO DO bird and quite frankly many of us would have been thrown in jail for things that occurred with stick swingings, running guys heads into glass with intent to injure, putting your stick so far up a guys junk that he became your b*tch rest of game etc etc

ahhhhhh speed. Those goals were due to high level speed were they? Back to that. Does caufield have enough speed to fit you dumb theory btw?

 

[PromisedLand]

Daily Reminder: Marner got out competed, out hustled and outscored by 5'9 Gallagher and two rookies Suzuki/Caufiled

all 3 players do not even come close to marner's AAV combined

Marner went on to say he will not do anything different. He is out there vacationing and posting vacation pictures on instagram.

Hasn't worked on his shot or compete level.... its been 5 years and counting.

Marner was also quoted saying "He didn't come prepared for the games agaist CBJ"

AND

Marner was again quoted saying "he played well against montreal" i.e. didn't do anything wrong....