Mitch Marner discussion continues

[socko]

If your wife is sick, do you replace her? If we use your logic at a certain point you just gotta say hey, yer gone ... time to replace you with a more healthy and younger model. I get you were trying to come up with a smart analogy but it was empty and pointless. Try again.

That's an emotional attachment. This is a business.

 

[Bluelines]

Holy shit you make strawmans and then point the finger elsewhere. Classic victim mentality.

NOWHERE To be seen, what, you think i meant marner was f***ing invisible? Omg the magician moniker is real. He can't be seen! No maybe think a bit. Do you think for what he is paid, and what his opportunities are his playoff performance as a whole is okay? If you do you don't know shit.

Also yes we would have if those 7 points was in any of games 5 6 or 7 einstein. FFS. You're really going to skew you're argument that stupidly and that conditionally? Ridiculous.

You talk about strawman arguments then talk about me thinking you meant he was physically invisible.., derp , yes sport that is exactly what I thought... FFS...

Your so desperate for a win, you create, again another lie, and then handily come to a logical conclusion that he was in fact not actually physically invisible... super job there big fella, you just won an argument with yourself... bravo big bronze star for you ...

Then you talk about victim mentality and proceed to surround your self in a ridiculous false invisibility scenario that you are able to prove wrong... if you have to make up stuff to feel good about yourself , dude...fill your boots... WOW.. lack of self awareness is not just a term on the internet.

3 excellent rounds out of 5 is considerably better than nowhere to be seen.... hyperbole is not your friend genius.

 

[Bluelines]

That's an emotional attachment. This is a business.

... and business is good ...

Toronto Maple Leafs on the Forbes The Business of Hockey List

The conversations about Marner on this forum are all emotional , I have yet to see one person post something that quantifies how having Marner on our team is bad for business.

 

[ER89]

You talk about strawman arguments then talk about me thinking you meant he was physically invisible.., derp , yes sport that is exactly what I thought... FFS...

Your so desperate for a win, you create, again another lie, and then handily come to a logical conclusion that he was in fact not actually physically invisible... super job there big fella, you just won an argument with yourself... bravo big bronze star for you ...

Then you talk about victim mentality and proceed to surround your self in a ridiculous false invisibility scenario that you are able to prove wrong... if you have to make up stuff to feel good about yourself , dude...fill your boots... WOW.. lack of self awareness is not just a term on the internet.

3 excellent rounds out of 5 is considerably better than nowhere to be seen.... hyperbole is not your friend genius.

if you think 4 pts in 5 games is excellent you should really stop talking and start reading and learning. Good lord your arguments are getting stupider and stupider.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Golden Boy can do no wrong in some people's eyes. No point discussing further, they'll just continue to fellate him through thread posts

 

[Arzak]

One of you? holy shit buddy...get a few more posts under your belt before you try a social shun. I mean...who the fook are you? 251 posts? You join a mob and are now the vp of membership or something?

Correct papa. One of us.

On one hand, we have fans here, discussing various topics, on the other hand, we have you with one agenda. You clearly demonstrated you are not Leafs fan (wishing for fans to leave the team etc whenever someone points out we could do better without Mitch. You are Mitch Marner advocate on this board.


It's true, I only posted some 250+ times here, but then again I'm not trying to convince the board my son is not sucking ass with 11 000+ messages attacking anyone speaking against Mitch.


No one is trying to social shun you like that's even possible with someone shameless like you. All I said was, this is a hockey board for fans to discuss various topics, you are a one-trick pony using this board as his personal advertisement. Hey, now you calling anyone critical to Mitch a mob? Can't even grasp the possibility people came to the same conclusion about your son on their own?


Must be hard to get low quality 11k messages under your belt, you can miss all the points I made, answer no questions and flex your spam count to win an argument well played Papa.

 

[Bluelines]

Again its simple question, can you do the math for goals / caphit ? Once again the most expansive winger in the game. You keep avoiding his lack of scoring, purely focusing on picking up assists on the most expansive line in hockey (to be fair, first-line with 20goal scorer making 10+ is doomed from the start)?


His best year is still underperforming his contract. Good for him for picking up secondary assists vs CA team in Matthews Rocket year. Of course, you gonna keep talking about basic math, ignoring everything, from scoring to his battle cry...


Papa logic ... but hey if you still struggling with goals per $ I can help you with basic math here.

We can also compare other 1st line wingers, their impact on game vs cap hit (if it's not too advanced for you )

How so, he was 4th in points and 7th in cap hit... sounds like he is out performing his contract.

Why focus on goals? We all know Marner is not a goal scorer, he's an elite setup man. For a winger that is unusual.

He was great with JT and great with AM. Not sure what you mean by expansive line. Sounds like an adjective was used in the wrong place.

 

[Bluelines]

if you think 4 pts in 5 games is excellent you should really stop talking and start reading and learning. Good lord your arguments are getting stupider and stupider.

19 players have a total average of .800 points per game in the playoffs over the last 3 years. I'm a nice guy , I will do the math for you ... 4/5 = .800 ..

19 out of 693 players ... in the top 2.7% of players .... yeah, that is considered excellent ...

Your not providing any value to this thread or to me, you can go now. Buhhh Bye....

 

[Gallagbi]

I mean I guess I'll explain but you've been watching hockey long enough to know the difference between having the puck in the offensive zone as opposed to being on the other side. Two things can be true. Marner no matter the situation was utterly useless tbh. On the PP, MTL gave his shot 0 respect so they took some passing lanes away and he played into their hands. Makes you realize he is more one dimensional than Nylander, who has a rocket. If an entire PK takes away the pass, Nylander can snipe one. Marner has the shot force of an 11 year old.


Example of him having the yipps: Him flipping the puck over the glass costing the Leafs a backbreaking goal against. he saw the pressure coming and panicked.

Example of him trying to do it all himself: Him trying to play hero ball, deking around an entire team and it going the other way resulting in the 1st goal in Game 7. Just watch how easily he was snuffed out.

Habs players wanted him to have the puck because there was a good chance it was getting turned over. He just doesn't have that ability to drive to the net and make the simple plays. Gallgher's goal wasn't even nice but marner would never do something like that. He has to do his weird magic stuff that just gets snuffed out by defensive teams.

My point isn't to say he's played well, but I think you tying the cause back to yipps and panic for him is incorrect.

He looks like a player in his own head and when he does that, he overthinks and makes poor choices. He slows down things to a crawl and takes himself out of the right areas too often because he can't pull the trigger (like we saw on a few opposrtunities)

That over the glass call wasn't related to pressure. He has time ans space to make an easy play. He catches the puck, double clutches, thinks about a flip, pulls back and then does it anyways. That's not panic from pressure, that's a bad decision with too much time.

 

[ER89]

19 players have a total average of .800 points per game in the playoffs over the last 3 years. I'm a nice guy , I will do the math for you ... 4/5 = .800 ..

19 out of 693 players ... in the top 2.7% of players .... yeah, that is considered excellent ...

Your not providing any value to this thread or to me, you can go now. Buhhh Bye....

what an absolutely stupid premise. Did all these players have the same linemates and powerplay time and ice time? NO. Plus they were all paid significantly cheaper because mitch the bitch insisted he was worth a rocket richard winner- he was not.

Not only is your premise stupid, but the fact that you believe it as a doctrine is quite worrisome. Get some help.

 

[ACC1224]

My point isn't to say he's played well, but I think you tying the cause back to yipps and panic for him is incorrect.

He looks like a player in his own head and when he does that, he overthinks and makes poor choices. He slows down things to a crawl and takes himself out of the right areas too often because he can't pull the trigger (like we saw on a few opposrtunities)

That over the glass call wasn't related to pressure. He has time ans space to make an easy play. He catches the puck, double clutches, thinks about a flip, pulls back and then does it anyways. That's not panic from pressure, that's a bad decision with too much time.

Sounds like you and I were watching the same game. To watch that play and come away with the conclusion he was scared is really just seeing what you want to see.

 

[ER89]

Point had more points in the playoff bubble last year than Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares each have for their whole careers. He’s a player who quickly shouldn’t be compared with any of our Leaf guys if we’re honest about where we are at.

how dare you say point is better than the great mitch marner don't you know he's struggling in the finals against the habs? He sucks even though he put up 20 pts again these playoffs.

 

[centipede2233]

Looking at the past Stanley cup winners let’s look at their best offensive winger:

this year Tampa/Montreal: kucherov and toffoli both goal scorers and high volume shooters
2020: Tampa - Kucherov ditto
2019 Stlouis - Tarasenko goal scorer high volume shooter
2018 Washington - Ovechkin goal scorer high volume shooter
2016 and 2017 - P.Kassel goal scorer high volume shooter
2015 Chicago P.Kane goal scorer who can play make also high volume shooter
2014 LA M.Gaborik goal scorer high volume shooter
2013 Chicago P.Kane

2011 and 2012 no elitist goal scoring winger but led by top 3 defensive centres in the game with elite goaltending and Norris caliber d man.

what I’m driving at is in the last 8 years the winning cup team had an elite goal scoring winger who shot ALOT!

I’m not conveying an opinion, I’m just stating facts, you conclude whatever you wish from my ramblings. Facts are facts

 

[ToneDog]

Looking at the past Stanley cup winners let’s look at their best offensive winger:

this year Tampa/Montreal: kucherov and twofold both goal scorers and high volume shooters
2020: Tampa - Kucherov ditto
2019 Stlouis - Tarasenko goal scorer high volume shooter
2018 Washington - Ovechkin goal scorer high volume shooter
2016 and 2017 - P.Kassel goal scorer high volume shooter
2015 Chicago P.Kane goal scorer who can play make also high volume shooter
2014 LA M.Gaborik goal scorer high volume shooter
2013 Chicago P.Kane

2011 and 2012 no elitist goal scoring winger but led by top 3 defensive centres in the game with elite goaltending and Norris caliber d man.

what I’m driving at is in the last 8 years the winning cup team had an elite goal scoring winger who shot ALOT!

I’m not conveying an opinion, I’m just stating facts, you conclude whatever you wish from my ramblings. Facts are facts

We have Willie and Spezza but they are not in those players class. We do have Matty and JT at C but the rest couldn't get you an important goal if their lives depended on it.

As much as the Leafs want fans to believe they have tons of skill, they do not and the proof is in the playoff pudding. Seriously how many Leafs can drive the net like Anderson did last night ?? Hyman, the soon to be ex-Leaf ?? Thank you Kyle.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I can’t wait 30 years down the road, when I’m half blind and hardly able to hear sitting in my rocking chair, as my great grand son tells me how horrible the leafs gm is, I’ll quip back “let me tell you a story about a fellow named Kyle dubas…”

Telling horror stories will make gramma mad

 

[Optimist]

Point looked scared for another night. Less shots than Marner and less hits taken than Marner took on average.

Not sure where you're going with this. Never once in the history of HF Boards have I ever mentioned Point. What are you gonna tell me next? That the election was stolen?

 

[Gallagbi]

We have Willie and Spezza but they are not in those players class. We do have Matty and JT at C but the rest couldn't get you an important goal if their lives depended on it.

As much as the Leafs want fans to believe they have tons of skill, they do not and the proof is in the playoff pudding. Seriously how many Leafs can drive the net like Anderson did last night ?? Hyman, the soon to be ex-Leaf ?? Thank you Kyle.

How many players on the Habs or Tampa can?

 

[ToneDog]

How many players on the Habs or Tampa can?

Off the top of my head Gallagher, Anderson, Point, Killorn, Kutch, Gorde, Cirelli, Maroon, Goodrow, Coleman, Perry. Not sure about Evans, Armia, Byron.

 

[Gallagbi]

Off the top of my head Gallagher, Anderson, Point, Killorn, Kutch, Gorde, Cirelli, Maroon, Goodrow, Coleman, Perry. Not sure about Evans, Armia, Byron.

If that's your criteria the Leafs would have had

Matthews, Hyman, Tavares, Galchenyuk, Mik, Engvall, Foligno, Simmonds, Thornton and Spezza.

Anderson scored a goal off a mishandled puck in the slot from 3 defensive miscues within a second. His initial net drive is stopped and then the seas part for him.

 

[HarryLime]

You think this is a 11 million dollar player showing up? Hahahahahahhahahbaha

Jesus mr marner. You really that slow?

What's funny is that his on ice play is way worse than even these less than impressive point totals. Leafs put Marner on the top line, gave him heavy PP minutes, even when he was ineffective. The believed in him and gave him every chance to succeed and he was awful. His points make him look better than the guy I saw laying on the ice.

Cherry on top was his presser which was pretty well him saying we'll run it back next year, it was unfortunate.

 

[MJK]

Anyone that understands the game of hockey understands that Marner simply turtled this series and got trashed against the Jackets. He almost had the yipps with how fast he was getting rid of the puck, and these panic moves cost the Leafs fatally. When someone else was in his vicinity, or he had to get into dangerous areas, he always made the pansy move. Of course, he still tried to dangle and deke around the Habs and they easily thwarted him away. He was very easy to stop for both of those teams. Leafs win both series if he plays decent.

Combine that with his attitude and him taking the amount of money he took and not only are Leafs fan not happy with him, they straight up want him gone. I'm one of them. I have no use for a player like him on the team.

100%! My thoughts exactly.
I’m so sick of hearing…”but he had 90 points!!”
Marner is so overpaid it’s gross! You could probably trade him for two very useful pieces, and then still have cap leftover to sign other pieces and make this team much more competitive.

 

[ToneDog]

If that's your criteria the Leafs would have had

Matthews, Hyman, Tavares, Galchenyuk, Mik, Engvall, Foligno, Simmonds, Thornton and Spezza.

Anderson scored a goal off a mishandled puck in the slot from 3 defensive miscues within a second. His initial net drive is stopped and then the seas part for him.

Half those players wouldn't know what to do with the puck if they could make that play. I think you might be overrating Mik, Engvall, Simmons, Jumbo, Spezza and Gally. Foligno maybe a few years ago but Foligno the Leaf was a shadow of himself.

 

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