Mitch Marner discussion continues

[Mess]

Which is why GMs just make players sign deals at any random number.

Fact is, Marner is a different player, with a different personality, in a different market/situation.

Why don't you dig up some of those Marner bridge rumours? I'm sure they'll all reference that 6M number multiple times

I don't argue that Marner wouldn't have signed it as remember for Marner and his agent Matthews was their only comparable, as he was being pigheaded and stubborn. However if your GM is naive and foolish to accept that as gospel and not realize he is the one in control of the contracts ulitmately, the that's a much bigger problem.

This is where a good GM comes in and calls the shots and if Marner doesn't like the offers he is free to sit at home.

I gave you an example of a couple of good GMs despite the ridiculous deal Marner signed still got better players on bridge deals and I guess that is why they get Exec of the year recognition.

Found a correlation between NHL Exec of the year and those contracts for TB and NYI.



This contract stuff, and team success, and NHL Exec of the year all seem intertwined.

 

[Bluelines]

Spicy!

Problem is past experience reveals five first series exits. That's hard to ignore. At what point do you not go with the same core?

In 8 years.

 

[Bluelines]

If you have a flat tire on your car, do you change it? Or do you root for it to keep taking you from A to B because it's part of the car? And end up needing a new aluminum rim too.

If your wife is sick, do you replace her? If we use your logic at a certain point you just gotta say hey, yer gone ... time to replace you with a more healthy and younger model. I get you were trying to come up with a smart analogy but it was empty and pointless. Try again.

 

[Bluelines]

McDavid averages over a PPG in the playoffs...

and has not advanced past the first round in the last 4 years ... I thought Marner was being denigrated because the Leafs have not advanced past the 1st round? McDavid could score 100 points in a 7 game series and if the Oil lose that series... the POINTS MEAN NOTHING. If he scored 4 points through 4 GWG then 4 points has more value that 100 points in that series ... point. set. match. Bluelines

 

[Stonehands1990]

and has not advanced past the first round in the last 4 years ... I thought Marner was being denigrated because the Leafs have not advanced past the 1st round? McDavid could score 100 points in a 7 game series and if the Oil lose that series... the POINTS MEAN NOTHING. If he scored 4 points through 4 GWG then 4 points has more value that 100 points in that series ... point. set. match. Bluelines

Seems like the average fan cares more about flashy points than how games are actually won. A goal saved is as good as a goal scored. Better differential better team. Good for McDavid that’s he’s a premier offensive player but I think he would rather team success

 

[Bluelines]

If the Oilers had two other forwards who altogether take up half the cap with McDrai, they would most certainly be considering a trade. One of them would likely be run out of town at this point.

Similarly, if the leafs only had cheap forwards other than Matthews/Marner, we’d be looking for new ways to work around them as opposed to trading one of them.

The Oil don't make the playoffs in 2018-19 and 2019-20, eliminated in the 1st round each year after that ... their fan reaction....

The Leafs make the playoffs or play in round every year since 2016-17 don't make it past the first round and the Leaf fan reaction

 

[Bluelines]

Seems like the average fan cares more about flashy points than how games are actually won. A goal saved is as good as a goal scored. Better differential better team. Good for McDavid that’s he’s a premier offensive player but I think he would rather team success

Yep, you're not wrong...

 

[ER89]

and has not advanced past the first round in the last 4 years ... I thought Marner was being denigrated because the Leafs have not advanced past the 1st round? McDavid could score 100 points in a 7 game series and if the Oil lose that series... the POINTS MEAN NOTHING. If he scored 4 points through 4 GWG then 4 points has more value that 100 points in that series ... point. set. match. Bluelines

No marner is being shat on because he doesn't perform in the playoffs. Simple as that.

 

[ER89]

Where the heck was point tonight? Pointless with 2 shots and no goals. By your endless rants and analysis he has disappeared and is useless.
Good golly you Marner haters are eating a turd sandwich sooner than later.

What a ridiculous point. That's one game point wasn't there. Maybe this entire series. Where the f*** has marner been his entire playoff career paul? Exactly. Nowhere to be found.

 

[Bluelines]

No marner is being shat on because he doesn't perform in the playoffs. Simple as that.

He's being shat on because he didn't score in this years playoffs to which he has one less goal than McDavid. If he had 5 goals and 10 assist in the first round and we lost the series, no one would be picking on him because of his past performances, all would have been forgotten but because we got some narrowminded fans that cant see the forest through the trees, he gets dumped on. Simple as that.

 

[Gallagbi]

I don't argue that Marner wouldn't have signed it as remember for Marner and his agent Matthews was their only comparable, as he was being pigheaded and stubborn.

So don't quote me then. You'd think a mod would know how to post at this point.

 

[Bluelines]

What a ridiculous point. That's one game point wasn't there. Maybe this entire series. Where the f*** has marner been his entire playoff career paul? Exactly. Nowhere to be found.

2016-17 - 4 points in 6 games
2017-18 - 9 points in 7 games
2018-19 - 3 points in 7 games
2019-20 - 4 points in 5 games
2020-21 - 4 points in 7 games

Sigh... when will the lies stop, ER89?

 

[ER89]

2016-17 - 4 points in 6 games
2017-18 - 9 points in 7 games
2018-19 - 3 points in 7 games
2019-20 - 4 points in 5 games
2020-21 - 4 points in 7 games

Sigh... when will the lies stop, ER89?

if you think 4 points in 7 games is showing up and 3 points in 7 games is showing up then you're the one lying to yourself.

If you think 25 points in 32 games is something amazing then you're lying to yourself ESPECIALLY when he only has 5 goals. 12.8 goal pace. He is really showing up man! What an awesome player.

Give your head a shake.

 

[ER89]

He's being shat on because he didn't score in this years playoffs to which he has one less goal than McDavid. If he had 5 goals and 10 assist in the first round and we lost the series, no one would be picking on him because of his past performances, all would have been forgotten but because we got some narrowminded fans that cant see the forest through the trees, he gets dumped on. Simple as that.

uh, if he had 5 goals and 10 points we would NOT have lost the series. that is kinda the point? Or are you too obtuse to understand that when your big players perform you tend to win? Good grief you marner fans make up anything at this point to fit your narrative.

 

[HarryLime]

Anyone that understands the game of hockey understands that Marner simply turtled this series and got trashed against the Jackets. He almost had the yipps with how fast he was getting rid of the puck, and these panic moves cost the Leafs fatally. When someone else was in his vicinity, or he had to get into dangerous areas, he always made the pansy move. Of course, he still tried to dangle and deke around the Habs and they easily thwarted him away. He was very easy to stop for both of those teams. Leafs win both series if he plays decent.

Combine that with his attitude and him taking the amount of money he took and not only are Leafs fan not happy with him, they straight up want him gone. I'm one of them. I have no use for a player like him on the team.

 

[Bluelines]

if you think 4 points in 7 games is showing up and 3 points in 7 games is showing up then you're the one lying to yourself.

If you think 25 points in 32 games is something amazing then you're lying to yourself ESPECIALLY when he only has 5 goals. 12.8 goal pace. He is really showing up man! What an awesome player.

Give your head a shake.

Dude you said NOWHERE TO BE SEEN.. which is factually false, intentionally misleading and an outright lie. Now you change the goalpost to having to be amazing...? take your dog and pony show somewhere else... noone wants to see it.

Why didn't you mention the 9 points in 7 games? 4 points in 6 games? 4 points in 5 games? Perhaps that does not fit your misleading narrative. By any reasonable observers count he's had 3 very good playoff rounds and 2 average rounds... that is quantifiably better than nowhere to be seen.... now run along little fella you've been told ...

 

[Gallagbi]

Anyone that understands the game of hockey understands that Marner simply turtled this series and got trashed against the Jackets. He almost had the yipps with how fast he was getting rid of the puck when someone else was in his vicinity. Of course, he still tried to dangle and deke around the Habs and they easily thwarted him away. He was very easy to stop for both of those teams. Leafs win both series if he plays decent.

Which was it? Did he have the yips and panic or was he dipsy doodling himself into trouble because those are two very different things.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Which was it? Did he have the yips and panic or was he dipsy doodling himself into trouble because those are two very different things.

It was psychological.

He couldn't even carry the puck to dipsy-doodle

 

[Bluelines]

uh, if he had 5 goals and 10 points we would NOT have lost the series. that is kinda the point? Or are you too obtuse to understand that when your big players perform you tend to win? Good grief you marner fans make up anything at this point to fit your narrative.

Uh Nostradamus, you have no way of knowing that, what if he scores 7 points in one game and 3 in all the rest do we still win that mythical series .... genius?

 

[HarryLime]

Which was it? Did he have the yips and panic or was he dipsy doodling himself into trouble because those are two very different things.

I mean I guess I'll explain but you've been watching hockey long enough to know the difference between having the puck in the offensive zone as opposed to being on the other side. Two things can be true. Marner no matter the situation was utterly useless tbh. On the PP, MTL gave his shot 0 respect so they took some passing lanes away and he played into their hands. Makes you realize he is more one dimensional than Nylander, who has a rocket. If an entire PK takes away the pass, Nylander can snipe one. Marner has the shot force of an 11 year old.


Example of him having the yipps: Him flipping the puck over the glass costing the Leafs a backbreaking goal against. he saw the pressure coming and panicked.

Example of him trying to do it all himself: Him trying to play hero ball, deking around an entire team and it going the other way resulting in the 1st goal in Game 7. Just watch how easily he was snuffed out.

Habs players wanted him to have the puck because there was a good chance it was getting turned over. He just doesn't have that ability to drive to the net and make the simple plays. Gallgher's goal wasn't even nice but marner would never do something like that. He has to do his weird magic stuff that just gets snuffed out by defensive teams.

 

[ER89]

Uh Nostradamus, you have no way of knowing that, what if he scores 7 points in one game and 3 in all the rest do we still win that mythical series .... genius?

Dude you said NOWHERE TO BE SEEN.. which is factually false, intentionally misleading and an outright lie. Now you change the goalpost to having to be amazing...? take your dog and pony show somewhere else... noone wants to see it.

Why didn't you mention the 9 points in 7 games? 4 points in 6 games? 4 points in 5 games? Perhaps that does not fit your misleading narrative. By any reasonable observers count he's had 3 very good playoff rounds and 2 average rounds... that is quantifiably better than nowhere to be seen.... now run along little fella you've been told ...

Holy shit you make strawmans and then point the finger elsewhere. Classic victim mentality.

NOWHERE To be seen, what, you think i meant marner was f***ing invisible? Omg the magician moniker is real. He can't be seen! No maybe think a bit. Do you think for what he is paid, and what his opportunities are his playoff performance as a whole is okay? If you do you don't know shit.

Also yes we would have if those 7 points was in any of games 5 6 or 7 einstein. FFS. You're really going to skew you're argument that stupidly and that conditionally? Ridiculous.

 

[Arzak]

Stop larping. This isnt a child forum.
Do some basic math. Caphit/points. I know it's tough but you figured out how to get on the internet.

Again its simple question, can you do the math for goals / caphit ? Once again the most expansive winger in the game. You keep avoiding his lack of scoring, purely focusing on picking up assists on the most expansive line in hockey (to be fair, first-line with 20goal scorer making 10+ is doomed from the start)?


His best year is still underperforming his contract. Good for him for picking up secondary assists vs CA team in Matthews Rocket year. Of course, you gonna keep talking about basic math, ignoring everything, from scoring to his battle cry...


Papa logic ... but hey if you still struggling with goals per $ I can help you with basic math here.

We can also compare other 1st line wingers, their impact on game vs cap hit (if it's not too advanced for you )

 

[ER89]

Again its simple question, can you do the math for goals / caphit ? Once again the most expansive winger in the game. You keep avoiding his lack of scoring, purely focusing on picking up assists on the most expansive line in hockey (to be fair, first-line with 20goal scorer making 10+ is doomed from the start)?


His best year is still underperforming his contract. Good for him for picking up secondary assists vs CA team in Matthews Rocket year. Of course, you gonna keep talking about basic math, ignoring everything, from scoring to his battle cry...


Papa logic ... but hey if you still struggling with goals per $ I can help you with basic math here.

We can also compare other 1st line wingers, their impact on game vs cap hit (if it's not too advanced for you )

I mean if he and bluelines could explain the math they'd just change it to fit their narrative. Now we know what mitch's salary is used for and why he needed so much.

 

[ACC1224]

People are still mixing up Marner and Nylanders over the glass penalty. Nylander panicked as he needed to avoid contact, Marner had no one around him and was trying to be too cute.
No excuse for either but at least keep them straight.

 

[ER89]

People are still mixing up Marner and Nylanders over the glass penalty. Nylander panicked as he needed to avoid contact, Marner had no one around him and was trying to be too cute.
No excuse for either but at least keep them straight.

nah marner was visibly scared. He wasn't trying to be too cute. But lets say we give that one to you. How does marner have a further 5 over the puck penalties in playoffs? Were those all due to he was being too cute?

Marner even purposely took a worse route to get to the puck to avoid contact there are literally videos circulating of this.