Mitch Marner discussion continues

[socko]

Marner and Kucherov are the same type of player. Smallish RW, prefers to pass over shooting, doesn't like physical play. Marner would just get in Kucherov's way on the same line. Kucherov is what Marner fans wish he was. Throw out the stupid junior crap, give him a real shot, and just a modicum of balls.

 

[CelticDruid]

Marner and Kucherov are the same type of player. Smallish RW, prefers to pass over shooting, doesn't like physical play. Marner would just get in Kucherov's way on the same line. Kucherov is what Marner fans wish he was. Throw out the stupid junior crap, give him a real shot, and just a modicum of balls.

 

[Gallagbi]

It’s actually baffling that he’s gone 70+ games without a PP goal given how much time he spends on it. Like what the f*** how has he not even accidentally bounced it off of someone and in?

That someone is Wayne Simmonds

The backhand goal was pretty sweet but otherwise nothing too extraordinary. Guess the only other thing is he seemed to have more of a nose for the nex previously, now he seems allergic to going to the front of the net and always defers to pass.

Honestly he had a lot of similar chances to these but simply didn't finish this year. He had a number of points blank opportunities vs. Price that he either didnt convert or stick handled his way out of

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

The backhand goal was pretty sweet but otherwise nothing too extraordinary. Guess the only other thing is he seemed to have more of a nose for the net previously, now he seems allergic to going to the front of the net and always defers to pass.

A couple of those were really just "get it on net" goals. One thing that really made me mad this playoffs with Marner was that there would be great open chances but Marner would make an extra move effectively eliminating the chance. If Marner had the same urgency to get the puck on net like we saw in some of those earlier goals he probably walks away with 2 goals minimum this series. Aside from the 2 on 1 with Willy I can't really think about any dangerous shots from Mitch. Just a bunch of muffins from the muffin man.

 

[The Blueprint]

Lmao @ people comparing Mitch to Kuch and Point, who the hell cares about reg season stats.

Both are way more impactful when it matters. Stop with the if Mitch was on the Lightning or whatever other arguments.

The reason Mitch has bad playoffs isn't because of the team he's on, the team has bad playoffs results because of Mitch.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Marner and Kucherov are the same type of player. Smallish RW, prefers to pass over shooting, doesn't like physical play. Marner would just get in Kucherov's way on the same line. Kucherov is what Marner fans wish he was. Throw out the stupid junior crap, give him a real shot, and just a modicum of balls.

Kucherov's shot and physical play are in a different league from Marner. They react to adversity completely differently, if Marner threw even a single one of Kucherov's dirty frustration hits the narrative around him would be completely different.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Marner and Kucherov are the same type of player. Smallish RW, prefers to pass over shooting, doesn't like physical play. Marner would just get in Kucherov's way on the same line. Kucherov is what Marner fans wish he was. Throw out the stupid junior crap, give him a real shot, and just a modicum of balls.

Kucherov puts in the gym time. He can hack the physicality.

also I recall Kucherov taking a dumb penalty and getting suspended against CBJ. Stupid but at least the guy hates failure. Isn’t just complacent

 

[Racer88]

No idea. The whole flat tire analogy is stupid.

That analogy lost me when they talked about patching a tire on a Ferrari.
Lol. If you own a Ferrari there is no chance in hell you patch a tire

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

He should have been on the third line for games 6,7 minimum when it was apparent he was having a mental breakdown.

There is a lot more time and space on the third line

The fact that AM and MM were never split up to give the Habs less of a chance to hone in on one line is just plain arrogance on Keefe's part. They just thought they didn't need to do what other coaches resort to in order to win. No, we are going to win it our way and in style.

We are still waiting for those wins....

 

[SeaOfBlue]

A couple of those were really just "get it on net" goals. One thing that really made me mad this playoffs with Marner was that there would be great open chances but Marner would make an extra move effectively eliminating the chance. If Marner had the same urgency to get the puck on net like we saw in some of those earlier goals he probably walks away with 2 goals minimum this series. Aside from the 2 on 1 with Willy I can't really think about any dangerous shots from Mitch. Just a bunch of muffins from the muffin man.

He had another one that was similar to the Nylander one. He had two or three really good chances that were excellent saves by Price, but Marner made it fairly easy for Price all things considered.

 

[Racer88]

I guess what drives me nuts is we keep hearing that we need to give them time to mature, time to learn to be winners and to do that, they have to lose first…….like they have been doing. If all that is true why the hell are they being paid so much in the losing phase.
These aren’t kids anymore, they are men that demanded very high pay cheques and received them. Why is Marner by his own admission not been ready to start games in the playoffs this year and the play in last year and yet he says he is not going to do anything different to prepare for next season.
This is 100% unacceptable in a professional athlete with one of the highest contracts in the league.
It’s about dam time that MLSE starts to hold him accountable to prepare properly

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

because he has an OHL level shot

OHL shot for sure... and wouldn't you expect a guy who can't score from far out to be digging around the crease area since that is the zip code he can score from? He stays away from there too....oh well.

 

[Racer88]

That isn't a personal opinion that is what the analytics and stats are suggesting, should be happening if the Leafs intend on winning games.

Marner gets almost 25 minutes of icetime a game which is over a full period a game and playing alongside the Rocket Richard trophy winner as top goal scorer in the league. So both access and opportunity to flourish statistically.

In his last 18 playoff games played the Leafs have lost 11 of them, and in those 11 losses over 3 playoff years now Marner has produced 1 ES 5v5 assist and 1 X PP assist total. that's it and that's all..
Summary 11 X Leaf losses (4 X BOS, 3 X CBJ & 4 X Mon) and Marner contributed 0 goals 2 assists and 2 points . How hard could it be to find a player capable of scoring a single goal or supplant those 2 assists that might have swung a single game from a loss to a win and advanced the team to the next round?

The Leafs over the past 4 playoffs have been in 8 series potential clinching games for Toronto and their record is 0-8 and Marner's contribution is 0-2-2 points in those games.

If Marner isn't scoring goals and isn't setting up very many particular in meaningful games that ALL resulted in Leafs losses than why bother playing him? Fish or cut bait, and stop vacillating and act on something or disengage from it.

Wow. He is even worse then I thought.
Lol

 

[The Blueprint]

Kucherov's shot and physical play are in a different league from Marner. They react to adversity completely differently, if Marner threw even a single one of Kucherov's dirty frustration hits the narrative around him would be completely different.

As much as we were frustrated with Kadri's playoff suspensions, you could never say the guy didn't try or care. Even Kessel was battling with Chara when playoffs rolled around.

Matthews and Marner just looked like they accepted they were gonna lose the series after game 5, that's what I have the biggest problem with. Sure they looked frustrated, in the 'not this again' kinda way. But they didn't look pissed off and they definitely didn't leave it all on the ice.

Just stop playing like you're scared to lose, you already have 5 years in a f***ing row.

 

[Atomos2]

The fact that AM and MM were never split up to give the Habs less of a chance to hone in on one line is just plain arrogance on Keefe's part. They just thought they didn't need to do what other coaches resort to in order to win. No, we are going to win it our way and in style.

We are still waiting for those wins....

Just a disgusting display of arrogance from a rookie coach that bleeds entitlement. He’s gifted star players and wastes a golden opportunity for success being cocky and stupid. Worse part is he still believes he did nothing wrong. Someone needs to slap some sense into him. And do it even harder than Montreal did because it clearly didn’t get through to him.

 

[IPS]

Lmao @ people comparing Mitch to Kuch and Point, who the hell cares about reg season stats.

Both are way more impactful when it matters. Stop with the if Mitch was on the Lightning or whatever other arguments.

The reason Mitch has bad playoffs isn't because of the team he's on, the team has bad playoffs results because of Mitch.

Sounds good but Paul Marner seems to think that every player who's had a better scoring series than Marner is just straight luck and that Mitch's linemates hold him back.

 

[Maximus74]

 

[HamiltonNHL]

dirty frustration hits the narrative around him would be completely different.

If Mitch did that he'd be in LTIR

 

[Stonehands1990]

That analogy lost me when they talked about patching a tire on a Ferrari.
Lol. If you own a Ferrari there is no chance in hell you patch a tire

I put that poster on ignore he literally has an HF account to argue with strangers on the internet lol

 

[ER89]

Where the hell is your self awareness? Top 5 scoring player in the league and 1st team all star is shit?
If Marner played with Kutcherov, it would be lights out. His career stats are better without playing with a veteran superstar. Point isnt even a career point a game player.
You want to judge Marner by a Montreal series, then judge point by one too. Good player but far from better.

Self awareness? Thats rich. If marner. Played with kuz. The f***ing kid makes more than kuz. If he needs someone else then he isn't worth shit. Also have you forgotten matthews and jt? Its not like he plays with trash players. Good grief your arguments are horrific.

 

[Optimist]

Has anyone even mentioned that Marner is a first team all star yet? That means something. Doesn't it?

 

[Superstar]

Has anyone even mentioned that Marner is a first team all star yet? That means something. Doesn't it?

Is he getting a cameo in the Nutcracker this coming Christmas season?

 

[Trapper]

Lmao @ people comparing Mitch to Kuch and Point, who the hell cares about reg season stats.

Both are way more impactful when it matters. Stop with the if Mitch was on the Lightning or whatever other arguments.

The reason Mitch has bad playoffs isn't because of the team he's on, the team has bad playoffs results because of Mitch.

Point and Kucherov never went from ELC to 11 million.
Neither did Toews and Kane.

Very few should. You need to be very careful with that.

How would Marner look on the last year of 3 year 6 million bridge right now?

 

[Gallagbi]

Point and Kucherov never went from ELC to 11 million.
Neither did Toews and Kane.

Very few should. You need to be very careful with that.

How would Marner look on the last year of 3 year 6 million bridge right now?

He was never signing a 6M bridge

 

[Mess]

He was never signing a 6M bridge

Point signed a 3 year @ $6.75 mil deal and Barzal signed a 3 year @ $7.0 mil AFTER Marner signed his deal.

Makes you almost think sometimes that the teams GM is actually the one in charge of the negotiations.

One player about to hoist his 2nd X Stanley Cup, and the other making the final 4 in 2 straight years. Which is making a strong case for contracts do matter if your goal is team first and player second.