Mitch Marner discussion continues

[Notsince67]

If you have a flat tire on your car, do you change it? Or do you root for it to keep taking you from A to B because it's part of the car? And end up needing a new aluminum rim too.

If I'm driving a ferrari, I try to fix the tire instead of buying a new one for 2k.
Actually, who doesnt fix a flat?

 

[Stonehands1990]

If I'm driving a ferrari, I try to fix the tire instead of buying a new one for 2k.
Actually, who doesnt fix a flat?

How do you get the car to the tire repair?
Drive on the rim or put on the spare?

 

[ACC1224]

If you have a flat tire on your car, do you change it? Or do you root for it to keep taking you from A to B because it's part of the car? And end up needing a new aluminum rim too.

Only if it’s proven to be beyond repair.

 

[socko]

Only if it’s proven to be beyond repair.

Would you be upset if you paid double price for an indestructible tire and it kept getting flats every year? Think about maybe picking up a cheaper tire that does a better job?

 

[Notsince67]

How do you get the car to the tire repair?
Drive on the rim or put on the spare?

How? You put a spare on in a regular car which gets you around 40km until you put a real one on. In case of a Ferrari, you get ferrari road side assistance to tow it to an appropriate dealer.

 

[Mess]

Its almost getting to a point for the Leafs should Kucherov Marner for the playoffs, and start dressing some players that are capable of playing in a playoff environment and style game and contribute to the cause of winning.

Use Marner for the regular season only and let him pile up a lot of empty points, as long as it secures a Leafs playoff spot, and then when those personal stats are reset come playoff time, put him the pressbox where he is safe and sound, and play battle hardened warriors instead when it really matters.

What do the Leafs really have to lose here, as Marner's 4 assists and goalless playoff seasons really aren't that difficult to replace?

 

[ShaneFalco]

Its almost getting to a point for the Leafs should Kucherov Marner for the playoffs, and start dressing some players that are capable of playing in a playoff environment and style game and contribute to the cause of winning.

Use Marner for the regular season only and let him pile up a lot of empty points, as long as it secures a Leafs playoff spot, and then when those personal stats are reset come the playoff time, put him the pressbox where he is safe and sound, and play battle hardened warriors instead when it really matters.

What do the Leafs really have to lose here, as Marner's 4 assists and goalless playoff seasons really aren't that difficult to replace?

Who is going to flip the puck over the glass? Who will lead the anemic PP?
Will someone please think of the children!

 

[Trapper]

Its almost getting to a point for the Leafs should Kucherov Marner for the playoffs, and start dressing some players that are capable of playing in a playoff environment and style game and contribute to the cause of winning.

Use Marner for the regular season only and let him pile up a lot of empty points, as long as it secures a Leafs playoff spot, and then when those personal stats are reset come the playoff time, put him the pressbox where he is safe and sound, and play battle hardened warriors instead when it really matters.

What do the Leafs really have to lose here, as Marner's 4 assists and goalless playoff seasons really aren't that difficult to replace?

With the Tavares injury this year, Matthews/Marner and Nylander only have 5 less career playoff games than JT.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I believe we already put up a statue for Mitch on Legends Row for that playoff series?

Spicy!

So are you saying people have the inability to learn from past experience? People are just a flat line of knowledge, you get to a certain point and you never evolve? What you did yesterday is as good as you can do today, tomorrow 20 years down the road?

Problem is past experience reveals five first series exits. That's hard to ignore. At what point do you not go with the same core?

 

[Antropovsky]

Keep up. The context is the willingness of Point to play tough hockey in the dirty areas relative to Marner.
There is nothing that indicates Point plays a more physical game and shies away less from contact.
Still waiting for the +25% shooting percentage btw. What's happening? bad luck?

Watching the attached video, Point doesn't look like a more physical player but I would say he looks more polished and deliberate, more strong on his skates too - more straight line skater but capable of making "magical plays" when he wants. Listening to the commentator he said point has a 57% face-off percentage (or something above 50) which is additional value added over Marner.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Perhaps someone is using your credentials then because you made little sense there.

It was pretty straightforward, perhaps someone is using your credentials.

No

Wouldn't be surprised if Dubas offered Marner 14m x 5 years

Your cynicism is understandable but I think it's possible, perhaps even likely that Dubas has learned from his mistakes. Not that I want to wait that long to find out if he has or not.

Regular season hands down from the look of it.

But even regular season, zero PP goals all year? Guess we are just going to look past that.

Nylander would be fired in a rocket ship to deep space for that and he makes 4 million less.

I could forgive zero PP goals during the season if he potted one in the playoffs. But yeah, Mitch is earning a rep as a one dimensional player and while a world class set up man is a valuable commodity, I don't think that's quite enough to justify his pay grade.

Mitch is good for at least 82 points next year if he's healthy. Problem is that it's not much use if the playoff struggles continue.

Will he eventually figure it out? Maybe, but we don't have much time to sort this out, and at 11M, it's not a wait and see to perform. You need to be that 11M guy in the playoffs right now.

Takes guts to bring this core back, and possibly even more to move on and admit it's not going to happen.

Exactly this!

Spicy!

Problem is past experience reveals five first series exits. That's hard to ignore. At what point do you not go with the same core?

Depends on who's in charge and it sounds like we knows which direction Dubas is headed in. It could still work out I guess but it doesn't seem likely (to put it mildly).

 

[Notsince67]

Its almost getting to a point for the Leafs should Kucherov Marner for the playoffs, and start dressing some players that are capable of playing in a playoff environment and style game and contribute to the cause of winning.

Use Marner for the regular season only and let him pile up a lot of empty points, as long as it secures a Leafs playoff spot, and then when those personal stats are reset come the playoff time, put him the pressbox where he is safe and sound, and play battle hardened warriors instead when it really matters.

What do the Leafs really have to lose here, as Marner's 4 assists and goalless playoff seasons really aren't that difficult to replace?

Wow...addition by subtraction?
That is what you are putting out there?

 

[ACC1224]

Would you be upset if you paid double price for an indestructible tire and it kept getting flats every year? Think about maybe picking up a cheaper tire that does a better job?

I’d be looking for a new mechanic

 

[Notsince67]

I’d be looking for a new mechanic

Wait....your mechanic isnt named mitch is he?

 

[myleafs]

I’d be looking for a new mechanic

When this ferrari (which is the leafs not just Marner) has a flat tire (which is Marner) and the dealership is called it seems like they just pump the tire full of air and say it will be fine? Then when it deflates again, they just pump more air in and say no this time it will be fine, then it deflates again...etc...shouldn't the tire just be replaced at some point? Did I do this right?

 

[ACC1224]

When this ferrari (which is the leafs not just Marner) has a flat tire (which is Marner) and the dealership is called it seems like they just pump the tire full of air and say it will be fine? Then when it deflates again, they just pump more air in and say no this time it will be fine, then it deflates again...etc...shouldn't the tire just be replaced at some point? Did I do this right?

No idea. The whole flat tire analogy is stupid.

 

[socko]

No idea. The whole flat tire analogy is stupid.

Not as bad as comparisons to McDavid and Point though. So if you're grading on a curve...

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

One cool thing about Marner in the playoffs is he misses the net on over half of his shot attempts. It's like he's a defenseman. Although, even Rielly has hit the net more over the last 2 playoffs. Considering he has all the time in the world to shoot as opponents really only care about taking away his passing lanes, it is very weird

 

[Notsince67]

Not as bad as comparisons to McDavid and Point though. So if you're grading on a curve...

If your criteria cant filter out McDavid I think we know where the stupid is.

 

[Mess]

Wow...addition by subtraction?
That is what you are putting out there?

That isn't a personal opinion that is what the analytics and stats are suggesting, should be happening if the Leafs intend on winning games.

Marner gets almost 25 minutes of ice-time a game which is over a full period a game and playing alongside the Rocket Richard trophy winner as top goal scorer in the league. So both access and opportunity to flourish statistically exists.

In his last 18 playoff games played the Leafs have lost 11 of them, and in those 11 losses over 3 playoff years now Marner has produced 1 ES 5v5 assist and 1 X PP assist total. that's it and that's all..
Summary 11 X Leaf losses (4 X BOS, 3 X CBJ & 4 X Mon) and Marner contributed 0 goals 2 assists and 2 points . How hard could it be to find a player capable of scoring a single goal or supplant those 2 assists that might have swung a single game from a loss to a win and advanced the team to the next round?

The Leafs over the past 4 playoffs have been in 8 series potential clinching games for Toronto and their record is 0-8 and Marner's contribution is 0-2-2 points in those games.

If Marner isn't scoring goals and isn't setting up very many particular in meaningful games that ALL resulted in Leafs losses than why bother playing him? Fish or cut bait, and stop vacillating and act on something or disengage from it.

 

[Notsince67]

How do you get the car to the tire repair?
Drive on the rim or put on the spare?

You ever try to find a spare tire in a ferrari?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I don't even have Mitch in top 20 players in league due to his skating speed issues combined with lack of physical play .. think about guys below and they all gotta be on your team before Mitch - McJesus, MAC Kuch, OV, Drai, Marchand, Matty, Crosby, Barkov, Point, Pasta, Kaner, Stammer, Rantanen, Aho, Berge, Barzal, Hedman, Makar, Jones, Vasi, Price. I think he is in da 20-30 crowd somewhere. He is just so overpaid based on his regular season stat line. Team can't recover his AAV in current stalled CAP climate next 2-3 years. And we only have 3 more years with any hope for contention. It is a real bad situation. Non recoverable. It will end badly.

 

[Notsince67]

I don't even have Mitch in top 20 players in league due to his skating speed issues combined with lack of physical play .. think about guys below and they all gotta be on your team before Mitch - McJesus, MAC Kuch, OV, Drai, Marchand, Matty, Crosby, Barkov, Point, Pasta, Kaner, Stammer, Rantanen, Aho, Berge, Barzal, Hedman, Makar, Jones, Vasi, Price. I think he is in da 20-30 crowd somewhere. He is just so overpaid based on his regular season stat line. Team can't recover his AAV in current stalled CAP climate next 2-3 years. And we only have 3 more years with any hope for contention. It is a real bad situation. Non recoverable. It will end badly.

1st team all star.

 

[tronoleaf]

Someone is wrong on the internet! It's:

Notsince67

 

[Gary Nylund]

1st team all star.

Regular season wonder boy.