Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XLIX: Covid Cup Edition

[pit]

The creation of an internet post by pit: A story in three parts

*starts typing*

*starts thinking*

*starts leaving*

 

[Striiker]

I can't see, but I'd bet every single thing I own that I know who's defending Milbury.

 

[Appleyard]

If there was a meritocracy in place in the NHL...

Milbury's formal association with the league would have ended in 1987 most likely.

Solid player
Mediocre to poor coach
Awful GM
Horrific analyst

 

[Ghosts Beer]

This is a little different than the out of control cancel culture we've been seeing. This wasn't a case of someone digging up something he said 20 years ago and ruining his life over it. This is something he said now, that negatively affected a group of people in the industry now. Telling women who have worked in a male dominated field and have spent their entire careers putting up with mansplaining, unwanted advances, and straight up sexism to "stop being so sensitive" is a bad look. It doesn't matter whether you or I think his comments were offensive. If it was offensive to them, than it was.

Anyone can feel subjectively offended by anything. That shouldn’t give them the ultimate power to have somebody suspended or fired.

The *fact* is that Milbury was speaking the truth in the form of an innocuous joke. Sometimes truth hurts.

You think hockey players don’t have groupies?

You think the term “puck bunny” was fabricated out of thin air?

You think there aren’t women who follow certain players around to different cities & find out what hotels they’re staying at?

You think pro athletes don’t get distracted chasing tail?

Milbury’s joking reference to the fact that hockey players can be distracted by women is nothing but truth & wasn’t mean-spirited.

Most women know it’s true. A few who choose to act offended by the truth shouldn’t have the power to cost someone their job.

 

[StarterHart]

Anyone can feel subjectively offended by anything. That shouldn’t give them the ultimate power to have somebody suspended or fired.

The *fact* is that Milbury was speaking the truth in the form of an innocuous joke. Sometimes truth hurts.

You think hockey players don’t have groupies?

You think the term “puck bunny” was fabricated out of thin air?

You think there aren’t women who follow certain players around to different cities & find out what hotels they’re staying at?

You think pro athletes don’t get distracted chasing tail?

Milbury’s joking reference to the fact that hockey players can be distracted by women is nothing but truth & wasn’t mean-spirited.

Most women know it’s true. A few who choose to act offended by the truth shouldn’t have the power to cost someone their job.

Of course there's truth to it. Everyone knows that. It's also completely irrelevant. Just because something is true, doesn't mean it can't be offensive. And it certainly doesn't mean it's appropriate to talk about on a live broadcast. If he loses his job over this, it won't be because of "A few who choose to act offended by the truth". It will be because he has no clue how to be a professional on the air, and has no business being in the booth.

 

[Starat327]

I can't see, but I'd bet every single thing I own that I know who's defending Milbury.

Winner winner chicken dinner. I unhid one post. It nearly blinded me with its sheer stupidity and absence of logic.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Of course there's truth to it. Everyone knows that. It's also completely irrelevant. Just because something is true, doesn't mean it can't be offensive. And it certainly doesn't mean it's appropriate to talk about on a live broadcast. If he loses his job over this, it won't be because of "A few who choose to act offended by the truth". It will be because he has no clue how to be a professional on the air, and has no business being in the booth.

It’s just another example of giving extreme power to a tiny group of people who love being offended & trying to get people fired. And that’s a dangerous societal trend. Milbury’s joke should cause nothing more than a roll of the eyes if you choose to be offended by hearing the truth. He didn’t use any slurs. And in reality he was mocking the players, not women, for how the players are easily distracted. A non-mean-spirited reference to the age-old truism that pro athletes chase women is nothing one should lose his job over. I guarantee these offended women have said & done far worse.

I very much dislike a gotcha society where everyone is filming you & looking for any slip up in an effort to get you canceled. Especially because everyone is a hypocrite.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I’m reading that Milbury is not gonna be on tonight’s broadcast. In his apology and NBC’s statement they didn’t say he’s fired.

They’ll probably just try to send home for the rest of the playoffs & trot him back out there next season.

 

[Magua]

Milbury should count his blessings that NBC didn’t bring back Susan Sarandon to do commentary in the bubble. I saw Bull Durham. Know what I’m saying?

 

[Striiker]

Winner winner chicken dinner. I unhid one post. It nearly blinded me with its sheer stupidity and absence of logic.

Hold on a second. Have you seen his Wonderlic score? He'd demolish you in a logic test.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

If there was a meritocracy in place in the NHL...

Milbury's formal association with the league would have ended in 1987 most likely.

Solid player
Mediocre to poor coach
Awful GM
Horrific analyst

I think there's an argument to be made that he was a worse gm than analyst given that he singlehandedly set a franchise back two decades

 

[kudymen]

I think there's an argument to be made that he was a worse gm than analyst given that he singlehandedly set a franchise back two decades

He was a great GM for everyone in the conference not named the Islanders

 

[Starat327]

Hold on a second. Have you seen his Wonderlic score? He'd demolish you in a logic test.

Ah, the good ol days.

 

[kudymen]

Anyone else trying to dig up profile of that guy who liked that post?

 

[Starat327]

Anyone else trying to dig up profile of that guy who liked that post?

circular reference.

 

[Prongo]

It’s just another example of giving extreme power to a tiny group of people who love being offended & trying to get people fired. And that’s a dangerous societal trend. Milbury’s joke should cause nothing more than a roll of the eyes if you choose to be offended by hearing the truth. He didn’t use any slurs. And in reality he was mocking the players, not women, for how the players are easily distracted. A non-mean-spirited reference to the age-old truism that pro athletes chase women is nothing one should lose his job over. I guarantee these offended women have said & done far worse.

I very much dislike a gotcha society where everyone is filming you & looking for any slip up in an effort to get you canceled. Especially because everyone is a hypocrite.

This is the problem. It is extremely easy. It’s not cancel culture. It’s empathy and understanding that shit like this isn’t tolerated anymore.

nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[Stizzle]

 

[Flyotes]

Arizona is a clown show. Trading all those picks-- if Hall doesn't resign (should they even resign him---?) -- Chayka left the cupboard half full at best for reloading and the team has aging D men, great goaltending, but very very very questionable forwards. Some of these bridge deals may not work out (Schmaltz, Dvorak, even Crouse in a way) as they were gambles. Even legit talents like Keller are the type of forwards that can produce, but require a talented group of forwards to bring it out. He needs danger around him, as he's not the biggest guy, to free up ice. He can generate his own offense, but it isn't a ton or a huge feature of his game yet.

I was a Chayka fan and he punted badly and then left. Not drafting Marner (I was a Strome guy, they needed a big center with #1 upside, which is STILL a problem) was organizational mistake. Their coaching staff sucks. They also play boring hockey. OEL is just kind of "meh" now.

Mistakes were made. I endorsed them. Shame me. They need a 2-4 year tear down.

I think to myself: "Which Flyers players would I rather have a Yotes player in the same position." The answer is very few-- which doesn't bode well.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

This is the problem. It is extremely easy. It’s not cancel culture. It’s empathy and understanding that shit like this isn’t tolerated anymore.

nothing more. Nothing less.

It is cancel culture. We’re careening toward a society where no one can tell a joke, because someone will always be offended.

 

[pit]

Trading all those picks-- if Hall doesn't resign (should they even resign him---?)

Trade away all your picks and you never need to pay a scouting department.

My condolences to you on the state of the franchise though.

 

[OzFlyers]

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Looks like one of the 7 dwarfs.

 

[sabremike]

I have always found the comparison of the two to be ridiculous because the biggest difference between the two is simple: Outside of the exaggerated version of himself he played on TV Don is actually a decent human being. Milbury is simply a horrible person with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Milbury does pattern himself after Don but he is essentially a Dollar General version of him.

 

[kudymen]

That is a really familiar face.. Cant figure it out. I think that pic reminds me of someone in Formula 1 but.. I am not sure

 

[StarterHart]