Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LXXXVIII: The Liaison of Doom

[Striiker]

He also used RAPM last year to say Risto > Ghost at ES even though we have years of data that says otherwise.

He just straight up lies

 

[Curufinwe]

Jake is a such a puss box. Straight up loser. No wonder no contending teams ever shown any interest in him.

Oh so this is Mike Sielski’s account. Now it all make sense.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I read that last night. Charlie bemoans catch-all stats, but he uses RAPM quite regularly as one in articles. He slurred a lot together in this argument, and I'm not sure RAPM always yields a clean conclusion.

You and I both think JVR gets a bad rap; he had a bad season, but inherently, he's not a bad player still. Well, in 2 of JVR's seasons here, I believe he led the team in RAPM, and that was after a bad first year. RAPM basically isolates individual impacts in play-driving numbers, but it's hard for that to pass to the smell test -- that JVR, a player with specific weaknesses in self-generating across 3 zones, is the least teammate affected player stylistically. So, I can turn the idea of using many data points back at Charlie.

After Jake responded, he walked it back saying both are good players. After clearly saying otherwise. He talks decline: Atkinson had 2 years of it before joining. It's hard for me to throw away how poor Atkinson's relative numbers were without Giroux......the same relative xGF% as Voracek with his primary linemate and known drag, Laine (Voracek performed break even apart). That's not me saying Atkinson doesn't provide value. But someone like Charlie would also know that playmakers are subject to the most underselling in value models -- pass quality is just hard to quantify still. And we're dealing with THE most extreme playmaker in recent years. The original point was about the PP, and he's still clearly a boon there, unlike the always PP poor Atkinson.

JFresh said at the time of the trade that Voracek likely is a guy who the RAPM model misses on because he’s still a 99% A/1 guy despite the lack of volume. He consistently outperforms it. He also has/had some solid micro stats.

 

[Curufinwe]

I didn’t mind the trade, but there’s a pretty good chance Voracek outscores Atkinson by 20+ points this season.

CA missed the end of last season with injury and is now injured again.

 

[Curufinwe]

Oh and at a measly 8%, last season’s Flyers PP had the 3rd worst Net PP% in the entire league since the 2005 lockout.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I didn’t mind the trade, but there’s a pretty good chance Voracek outscores Atkinson by 20+ points this season.

CA missed the end of last season with injury and is now injured again.

I don’t really care about either player at this point especially within the context of on the ice for the Flyers. But Voracek’s deal ends a year earlier. That was always the kicker for me & that’s especially now that the team hit bottom.

 

[Striiker]

Even if they had identical point totals and contracts, Voracek has a far more valuable skillset.

We lost that trade, as always.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

He really is the biggest, most hypocritical, c***

his self awareness is laffable....

the fact people dont just flood his inbox daily with shut the f*** up comments is a testement to humanities goodness..

 

[Flyerfan4life]

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ima cat person, but this is still awesome...

 

[Magua]

It's just part and parcel with Chuck Fletcher obsessing over grit and goal scoring -- at the amateur and professional level -- and neglecting passing and transition. Voracek wouldn't make much of a dent in this being a playoff roster, Atkinson doesn't stink either (but 3 years is an eternity), and that's not really the point.

 

[TCTC]

I just saw that there's a prospect thread on the main boards about the son of Branko Radivojevic. If that doesn't make you feel old...

 

[Striiker]

“Well we haven’t won a thing with McDavid either so trading him would be fine. He’s not enough to turn this team into a contender.”

-random fan who doesn’t understand how team sports work

 

[flyerslducks]

i hope voracek and G get some good playoff runs in them. Don't know why flyer fans still find ways to hate on them when they were the only reason we were able to see any decent flyers hockey in the last decade.

 

[Tripod]

his self awareness is laffable....

the fact people dont just flood his inbox daily with shut the f*** up comments is a testement to humanities goodness..

He blocks them. I am blocked.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

“Well we haven’t won a thing with McDavid either so trading him would be fine. He’s not enough to turn this team into a contender.”

-random fan who doesn’t understand how team sports work

"You're not just going to fill the net during the playoffs and outscore teams. You have to play on the other side of the puck."

-random head coach of a shitty hockey team

 

[Flyerfan4life]

He blocks them. I am blocked.

typical echo chamber journalist...


godam idiot...

 

[Rebels57]

My god, what a difference

'It really takes a village to raise a player': A 360-degree view of the Lightning's development program

The Lightning have sacrificed picks and prospects in the pursuit of Cups but continue to produce relevant players. How do they do it?

theathletic.com

 

[ajgoal]

My god, what a difference

'It really takes a village to raise a player': A 360-degree view of the Lightning's development program

The Lightning have sacrificed picks and prospects in the pursuit of Cups but continue to produce relevant players. How do they do it?

theathletic.com

Basically the same

 

[ybnvs]

Jake is a such a puss box. Straight up loser. No wonder no contending teams ever shown any interest in him.

Do you have sources to back up your claim that there have been zero "contending teams" throughout his entire time in Philly to phone in offers for a trade?

Audio transcripts of the conversations, please.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Do you have sources to back up your claim that there have been zero "contending teams" throughout his entire time in Philly to phone in offers for a trade?

Audio transcripts of the conversations, please.

Yes I do.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Basically the same

Wow, development matters, who'd have thought.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

@DancingPanther

The Avs article is out but… they’re not on the list yet. I don’t think they’re #1.

They’re basically the same as the Flyers though.

32. Arizona Coyotes

31. Montreal Canadiens

30. Chicago Blackhawks

29. Buffalo Sabres

28. Philadelphia Flyers

27. Columbus Blue Jackets

26. San Jose Sharks

25. Anaheim Ducks

24. Detroit Red Wings

23. Seattle Kraken

22. Ottawa Senators

21. Winnipeg Jets

20. New York Islanders

19. New Jersey Devils

18. Vancouver Canucks

17. St. Louis Blues

16. Los Angeles Kings

15. Vegas Golden Knights

14. New York Rangers

13. Dallas Stars

12. Washington Capitals

11. Nashville Predators

10. Edmonton Oilers

9. Pittsburgh Penguins

8. Carolina Hurricanes

7. Tampa Bay Lightning

6. Boston Bruins

5. Minnesota Wild

 

[Curufinwe]

Almost half the forward lineup probably won't be in the first game.

 

[ybnvs]

Yes I do.

May I see?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

May I see?

What do you wan to see?