Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LXXXVIII: The Liaison of Doom

[sabremike]

GIRAFFE SNIPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Magua]

People are excited b/c G puts up 3 points against scrubs? Isn't that grasping at straws?

It’s called being tongue in cheek. Giroux will assuredly produce in spades this regular season.

But I’d be careful throwing that preseason comment around when some bum like MacEwen makes a single puck maneuver in preseason and gets especially praised.

 

[wasup]

I ain’t buying the Lambert hype here at all.

Did you watch him play tonight vs the oilers , holy shit he looks good , like wow .

 

[Angry Hockey Dad]

Did you watch him play tonight vs the oilers , holy shit he looks good , like wow .

I was just going to quote that. He looked fantastic tonight

 

[ybnvs]

But I’d be careful throwing that preseason comment around when some bum like MacEwen makes a single puck maneuver in preseason and gets especially praised.

Great f***ing burn.

It takes a real special kind of person to be THAT disingenuous ALL of the time.

It's f***ing disgusting, man.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I was just going to quote that. He looked fantastic tonight

Easy now. Someone is going to come in here and yell at you for rating him too high.

 

[Curufinwe]

People are excited b/c G puts up 3 points against scrubs? Isn't that grasping at straws?
He'll had a solid year for them, but he's not going to carry them, they'll go as far as their young players take them.

Burns made more sense for Carolina than TDA, they don't want upside, they want a predictable veteran, and he's a lot more physical and has a lot of PO experience.

Always a good sign when a successful team gives you its 27 year old defenseman so they can acquire a 37 year old one.

 

[Curufinwe]

Giroux and Brassard racking up PPP tonight

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Giroux and Brassard racking up PPP tonight

Pretty sure that was yesterday.

Be careful talking about it though. You may get scolded for bringing it up!

 

[Striiker]

There are so many fake Jim Matheson Twitter accounts

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Hockey pool draft was tonight and went in on the Canes again, @Surrounded By Ahos.

Teuvo, Slavin, Raanta all suiting up for me this year.

My strategy of only using back up goalies has won this pool for me 3 of the last 4 years, so don't fix what isn't broken.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[ajgoal]

Ban them from IIHF for a few years.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

This is such a bad look. Yikes

 

[Striiker]

He really is the biggest, most hypocritical, c***

 

[flyerslducks]

He really is the biggest, most hypocritical, c***

is charlie talking about himself in that tweet? haha he definitely got frustrated from that reply, love it

 

[Striiker]

is charlie talking about himself in that tweet? haha he definitely got frustrated from that reply, love it

He absolutely is but is too much of a braindead shill to realize it.

 

[kudymen]

Edit - just love Jake. End of message

 

[Magua]

He really is the biggest, most hypocritical, c***

I read that last night. Charlie bemoans catch-all stats, but he uses RAPM quite regularly as one in articles. He slurred a lot together in this argument, and I'm not sure RAPM always yields a clean conclusion.

You and I both think JVR gets a bad rap; he had a bad season, but inherently, he's not a bad player still. Well, in 2 of JVR's seasons here, I believe he led the team in RAPM, and that was after a bad first year. RAPM basically isolates individual impacts in play-driving numbers, but it's hard for that to pass to the smell test -- that JVR, a player with specific weaknesses in self-generating across 3 zones, is the least teammate affected player stylistically. So, I can turn the idea of using many data points back at Charlie.

After Jake responded, he walked it back saying both are good players. After clearly saying otherwise. He talks decline: Atkinson had 2 years of it before joining. It's hard for me to throw away how poor Atkinson's relative numbers were without Giroux......the same relative xGF% as Voracek with his primary linemate and known drag, Laine (Voracek performed break even apart). That's not me saying Atkinson doesn't provide value. But someone like Charlie would also know that playmakers are subject to the most underselling in value models -- pass quality is just hard to quantify still. And we're dealing with THE most extreme playmaker in recent years. The original point was about the PP, and he's still clearly a boon there, unlike the always PP poor Atkinson.

 

[Striiker]

I read that last night. Charlie bemoans catch-all stats, but he uses RAPM quite regularly as one in articles. He slurred a lot together in this argument, and I'm not sure RAPM always yields a clean conclusion.

You and I both think JVR gets a bad rap; he had a bad season, but inherently, he's not a bad player still. Well, in 2 of JVR's seasons here, I believe he led the team in RAPM, and that was after a bad first year. RAPM basically isolates individual impacts in play-driving numbers, but it's hard for that to pass to the smell test -- that JVR, a player with specific weaknesses in self-generating across 3 zones, is the least teammate affected player stylistically. So, I can turn the idea of using many data points back at Charlie.

After Jake responded, he walked it back saying both are good players. After clearly saying otherwise. He talks decline: Atkinson had 2 years of it before joining. It's hard for me to throw away how poor Atkinson's relative numbers were without Giroux......the same relative xGF% as Voracek with his primary linemate and known drag, Laine (Voracek performed break even apart). That's not me saying Atkinson doesn't provide value. But someone like Charlie would also know that playmakers are subject to the most underselling in value models -- pass quality is just hard to quantify still. And we're dealing with THE most extreme playmaker in recent years. The original point was about the PP, and he's still clearly a boon there, unlike the always PP poor Atkinson.

A truly wonderful post and it’s such a shame Charlie can’t be forced to read it.

 

[Chinatown88]

Edit - just love Jake. End of message

I'm still miffed that they got garbage returns for Claude and Jake. But the fact that they got out of this shithole and are happy makes it all better. Everything surrounding this organization is a damn farce and it's comedic that they think they can hoodwink people into believing.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Jake is a such a puss box. Straight up loser. No wonder no contending teams ever shown any interest in him.

I'm still miffed that they got garbage returns for Claude and Jake. But the fact that they got out of this shithole and are happy makes it all better. Everything surrounding this organization is a damn farce and it's comedic that they think they can hoodwink people into believing.

Why do you think they got the return they did on Jake?

 

[FLYguy3911]

I read that last night. Charlie bemoans catch-all stats, but he uses RAPM quite regularly as one in articles. He slurred a lot together in this argument, and I'm not sure RAPM always yields a clean conclusion.

You and I both think JVR gets a bad rap; he had a bad season, but inherently, he's not a bad player still. Well, in 2 of JVR's seasons here, I believe he led the team in RAPM, and that was after a bad first year. RAPM basically isolates individual impacts in play-driving numbers, but it's hard for that to pass to the smell test -- that JVR, a player with specific weaknesses in self-generating across 3 zones, is the least teammate affected player stylistically. So, I can turn the idea of using many data points back at Charlie.

After Jake responded, he walked it back saying both are good players. After clearly saying otherwise. He talks decline: Atkinson had 2 years of it before joining. It's hard for me to throw away how poor Atkinson's relative numbers were without Giroux......the same relative xGF% as Voracek with his primary linemate and known drag, Laine (Voracek performed break even apart). That's not me saying Atkinson doesn't provide value. But someone like Charlie would also know that playmakers are subject to the most underselling in value models -- pass quality is just hard to quantify still. And we're dealing with THE most extreme playmaker in recent years. The original point was about the PP, and he's still clearly a boon there, unlike the always PP poor Atkinson.

He also used RAPM last year to say Risto > Ghost at ES even though we have years of data that says otherwise.

 

[sabremike]