Miscellaneous NHL Discussion LXXXVI: 86 Proof

[blackjackmulligan]

Who is responsible then?

The people who pushed for them. I am not a millennial. My generation surely isnt responsible

Got a troll warning for saying enjoy your coke zero. What is that about?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The people who pushed for them. I am not a millennial. My generation surely isnt responsible

Got a troll warning for saying enjoy your coke zero. What is that about?

Who pushed for them? Was it the three year olds that demanded them or their parents that decided it was easier to just give out trophies so they didn't have to parent?

Probably should refresh yourself with the Site Rules that you agreed to while signing up.

 

[sabremike]

OK, boomer.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Keep the participation trophy. Gimme a house for a 150$K, and affordable gas.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Actually, one of the myths out there is how "easy" the boomers had it.
If you were born in 1955-1960 or so, it actually sucked for the most part.
You hit the job market with the recessions of 1974, 1980 and 1982.
Women entering the work force drove down wages for decades by inflating the labor supply.
If you were middle management, computers decimated your ranks, and millions were laid off in the 1980s and 1990s, and the trend continued into the next millennium.

The golden generation was the one born from 1960 to 1975 or so, when they came of age, the economy boomed for two decades, providing opportunities for advancement. They were more computer literate, so they could leapfrog their elders.

The recession of 2008 was the first "traumatic" event since 1982.
The COVID recession was relatively mild due to government policies to avoid a deep trough.
And the current labor shortage means you might have a temporary decline in income due to inflation, but that's far less painful than a year of unemployment (and the permanent hit to income).

A note on housing costs - I just saw an interesting factoid that when you adjust for square footage, housing costs haven't really risen over the last four decades - but the size of the standard house has more than doubled. What's inflated are expectations of what is "normal."

Expectations have as much to do with (un)happiness as your actual situation, if you expect that you'll be upper middle class with ever increasing income, and end up in the middle, even if overall you're far richer than most Americans 30 years ago, you'll feel dissatisfied with how your life turned out. Because we tend to measure ourselves relative to our peers - instead of focusing on what we really want in life, we yearn for what they have.

I just want to be clear that I wasn't saying anyone had it easy. I know I'm not in tune with economical flows outside of my memory to even offer an opinion.

The square footage tidbit doesn't surprise me. That's what happens when you mostly build single family homes. Where I live is a barrier island. There was a shift away from the traditional duplexes and cottages to bigger and bigger single family homes about 20 years ago. It keeps accelerating. Our house is ~3400 sq ft. The house that was knocked down to build it was ~1200.

On a related note, the population of this island is decreasing and isn't nearly as friendly as it used to be. Now it leans into FAMILY FRIENDLY being code for an excuse to be judgemental. I originally moved here because the offseason population was overwhelmingly friendly.

 

[Starat327]

I just want to be clear that I wasn't saying anyone had it easy. I know I'm not in tune with economical flows outside of my memory to even offer an opinion.

The square footage tidbit doesn't surprise me. That's what happens when you mostly build single family homes. Where I live is a barrier island. There was a shift away from the traditional duplexes and cottages to bigger and bigger single family homes about 20 years ago. It keeps accelerating. Our house is ~3400 sq ft. The house that was knocked down to build it was ~1200.

On a related note, the population of this island is decreasing and isn't nearly as friendly as it used to be. Now it leans into FAMILY FRIENDLY being code for an excuse to be judgemental. I originally moved here because the offseason population was overwhelmingly friendly.

Don't lie. You moved for the cheesesteaks.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I'd erase cell phones so quickly it would make your head spin.

Ironic, as posting on a message board, but I'd love to see a world with less tech. I fondly remember the days where it wasn't as much of a thing. I'm very pleased, being able to "escape" within an hour drive - and couldn't imagine a big city lifestyle.

Me and most of my tech-working friends would join you.

Can we keep the actual phone call part for emergencies though? I really don't want to be using a call box on the AC Expressway at 3 AM.

 

[Curufinwe]

Trenin is having his arbitration hearing now.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Don't lie. You moved for the cheesesteaks.

For 8 weeks out of every year, I would move for any excuse you gave me. It's half over!

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Who pushed for them? Was it the three year olds that demanded them or their parents that decided it was easier to just give out trophies so they didn't have to parent?

Probably should refresh yourself with the Site Rules that you agreed to while signing up.

yes it was the 3 year olds. Wall of Flocker rules.

Are you a believer in the participation trophy era?

There are site rules for saying enjoy your coke. That is a first.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

yes it was the 3 year olds. Wall of Flocker rules.

Are you a believer in the participation trophy era?

There are site rules for saying enjoy your coke. That is a first.

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[LegionOfDoom91]

It’s tough to compare given the league’s infrastructure. The hard cap in the NHL devalues established players even like Eichel & Tkachuk while overvalues unproven players because cheap contracts whether they’re ELC’s &/or second RFA deals are where you could get big value gains.

Even the Soto deal is rare for baseball now a days as teams are pretty stingy with who they consider their “A” caliber prospects. So teams don’t usually blow out essentially their top 5 prospect pool even for MLB players. But this a young superstar player with multiple years control left. So this is different.

Prospect outcomes are generally on longer curves & more volatile in baseball than hockey too. The NHL still pays a good penny in free agency based on past performance where the MLB really doesn’t much anymore.

Huberdeau & Weegar might not get dealt if the NHL had a soft cap & the approach across they league was more Moneyball in terms of age curves & contract value. Those two guys are probably set to potentially be two of the top UFA’s on the market next summer despite being nearly 30 years old. So that devalues them as players in the NHL’s world.

 

[Starat327]

For 8 weeks out of every year, I would move for any excuse you gave me. It's half over!

I imagine its a very difficult life, feet in the pool, working from home.

Kidding aside - did the pup and pug ever start getting along?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I imagine its a very difficult life, feet in the pool, working from home.

Kidding aside - did the pup and pug ever start getting along?

Yeah, it's better. Thanks for asking. The pug could never get it across to leave her alone, but the pit mix knocked her over and sat on her when she got in his face. That helped everyone.

 

[landsbergfan]

It’s tough to compare given the league’s infrastructure. The hard cap in the NHL devalues established players even like Eichel & Tkachuk while overvalues unproven players because cheap contracts whether they’re ELC’s &/or second RFA deals are where you could get big value gains.

Even the Soto deal is rare for baseball now a days as teams are pretty stingy with who they consider their “A” caliber prospects. So teams don’t usually blow out essentially their top 5 prospect pool even for MLB players. But this a young superstar player with multiple years control left. So this is different.

Prospect outcomes are generally on longer curves & more volatile in baseball than hockey too. The NHL still pays a good penny in free agency based on past performance where the MLB really doesn’t much anymore.

Huberdeau & Weegar might not get dealt if the NHL had a soft cap & the approach across they league was more Moneyball in terms of age curves & contract value. Those two guys are probably set to potentially be two of the top UFA’s on the market next summer despite being nearly 30 years old. So that devalues them as players in the NHL’s world.

Im having a hard time coming up with a good comp. Only going off of my memory, but it seems to be some combo of the Eichel and Lindros trades? It's hard because baseball trades prospects and hockey trades picks.

 

[Striiker]

What a last page or so…

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Keep the participation trophy. Gimme a house for a 150$K, and affordable gas.

Also able to live off of minimum wage like they could back then, I make decent money, not the best, but not enough for the economy that older Generations decimated, I worked for Amazon and now I'm at apple, and no not in the warehouse, but with computers and I don't make nearly enough for what I do

yes it was the 3 year olds. Wall of Flocker rules.

Are you a believer in the participation trophy era?

There are site rules for saying enjoy your coke. That is a first.

Maybe there was more context that you're leaving out that they saw as demeaning ....

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

That’s a pretty wild quote.

 

[Magua]

Elite LWs don't grow on trees, you know.

 

[Rebels57]

Elite LWs don't grow on trees, you know.

Listen it was too hard to move pieces around and sign a 115 point hometown superstar LW.

 

[DancingPanther]

Keep the participation trophy. Gimme a house for a 150$K, and affordable gas.

Also looking. And crying.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Don't worry, the offensive guru HC who has openly admitted to not understanding offense will fix the offense.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

What a last page or so…

Which one of them do I have to unblock to read the whole thing?

 

[Striiker]

Which one of them do I have to unblock to read the whole thing?

Don't bother. Just loudly rip ass into an empty tin can and you'll get the same experience.