Player Discussion Mika Zibanejad: Part II

[RangerBoy]

The NFL has a tough policy on injuries. All of the injuries have to be disclosed with the accurate status of the player. There’s a ton of money bet on the NFL every week.

The NFL is looking into whether the Detroit Lions violated league protocol by listing quarterback Matthew Stafford as questionable on last week's injury report, a league source told the Free Press.

NFL reviewing Detroit Lions' handling of Matthew Stafford injury report

Stafford has several broken bones in his back and he was listed as questionable.

People bet money on the Lions and the Lions waited until Sunday morning to announce Stafford wasn’t playing.

The NHL has partnered with gambling companies and they owe their customers transparency on injuries like the NFL does. Bettman loves to tout these new business relationships.

 

[SA16]

It's in the NFL-NFLPA contract that teams have to release the injured body part and whether said player is probably, questionable, doubtful, or out. I don't know what is in the NHL-NHLPA contract but with gambling becoming such an issue with regard to injuries teams can perhaps implement the latter, listing the player's likelihood to play the next game, without specifics on the injury type of body part affected.

Don't see how gambling has anything to do with this. You already know the morning of the game whether or not a player is playing. What does knowing how long he is out help you with?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The laws governing companies concern executive who influence either potential financial decisions, or whose intellectual property is considered a propriety asset of the business.

Not sure what your point is. They both influence financial outcomes. So pretending that Mike is Bob Smith from the corner store is disingenuous.

 

[Kovalev27]

Jesus thank you. Acting like what I’m saying is insanity when the NFL disclosed injury info for the very purposes were discussing. It’s coming. This upper lower body shit isn’t lasting much longer.

PS now Mika is out at least another week apparently. So day to day sore neck has turned into a 3-4 week injury if we’re lucky.

 

[Edge]

Not sure what your point is. They both influence financial outcomes. So pretending that Mike is Bob Smith from the corner store is disingenuous.

It's not a matter of being disingenuous. One is governed by trade laws, the other isn't. I'd prefer not to have to go into the full legal reasoning behind this, because I frankly don't have the time.

But in short, there is no precedent or requirement for everyone who influences a financial outcome to disclose their health issues. So, to be specific, as far as public disclosures and transparency is concerned, Mika is indeed governed by the same protections and laws as Bob Smith from the corner grocery store, unless a party that is authorized to negotiate on his behalf, or collectively bargain on his behalf specifically agrees to terms that require the disclosure of that information.

Nothing is OWED to anyone, nor is anything a matter of public transparency, least of all if the concern is an arbitrary transaction with a third party such as gambling. This is primarily because you are not directly engaged in a transaction with the company and/or organization who has access to that information. You are engaged in a transaction with a third party.

 

[romba]

Jesus thank you. Acting like what I’m saying is insanity when the NFL disclosed injury info for the very purposes were discussing. It’s coming. This upper lower body **** isn’t lasting much longer.

PS now Mika is out at least another week apparently. So day to day sore neck has turned into a 3-4 week injury if we’re lucky.

Goal posts have shifted.

If there's a contract, the health info must be released according to the guidelines set forth.
If there is not a contract, it must be protected. It's that simple.

Right to know has no place here. If the NHL decides $ is worth it, they'll negotiate it with the NHLPA. Otherwise they won't.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[Kovalev27]

But there is clear precedent In the NFL. Look at the lions In trouble this week for listing Stafford as questionable and it affecting Vegas.

so righteously acting like it’s unheard Of (not you) is absurd. The NHL just recently got involved in sports gambling officially so this isn’t far behind. And the argument will be the one I’m making.

 

[Kovalev27]

The NFL has a tough policy on injuries. All of the injuries have to be disclosed with the accurate status of the player. There’s a ton of money bet on the NFL every week.



NFL reviewing Detroit Lions' handling of Matthew Stafford injury report

Stafford has several broken bones in his back and he was listed as questionable.

People bet money on the Lions and the Lions waited until Sunday morning to announce Stafford wasn’t playing.

The NHL has partnered with gambling companies and they owe their customers transparency on injuries like the NFL does. Bettman loves to tout these new business relationships.

precisely. If you don’t want to talk about this then don’t partner officially with gambling companies. Because they did they DO OWE US SOMETHING. (

 

[Chaels Arms]

Ahh yes. One of those unpredictable "neck" injuries you always hear about.

What a joke.

 

[romba]

But there is clear precedent In the NFL. Look at the lions In trouble this week for listing Stafford as questionable and it affecting Vegas.

so righteously acting like it’s unheard Of (not you) is absurd. The NHL just recently got involved in sports gambling officially so this isn’t far behind. And the argument will be the one I’m making.

Gotcha. I was arguing against the whole 'right to know' thing as there is no contract in place so no one has the right to know anything. But I see that you're annoyance is more so related to 'if you're going to get in bed with gambling corps, then you can't be half pregnant. Force teams to release real injury info so proper lines can be made etc.'. I get it and that's something I'm sure Betteman will be pressured to negotiate with the PA for. Though the owners really HATE admitting there's something negotiable they actually really want as that might force them to actually need to negotiate with the players instead of steam rolling the PA into submission

 

[Edge]

But there is clear precedent In the NFL. Look at the lions In trouble this week for listing Stafford as questionable and it affecting Vegas.

so righteously acting like it’s unheard Of (not you) is absurd. The NHL just recently got involved in sports gambling officially so this isn’t far behind. And the argument will be the one I’m making.

That is the NFL's prerogative and the result of their negotiations. If you want to talk about the NFL not being transparent or owing information, that's fine. Because that's the terms that THEY agreed to.

The NHL has not agreed to those terms, and therefore still owes you nothing. This whole "owing" someone something assumes that they are violating a promise they made to you in the first place.

There is no "right to know".

There is no "transparency".

There's you wanting to know. And that's fine.

But you don't have any express right to know. Nor do they owe you anything that they've agreed to provide to you.

 

[Kovalev27]

Gotcha. I was arguing against the whole 'right to know' thing as there is no contract in place so no one has the right to know anything. But I see that you're annoyance is more so related to 'if you're going to get in bed with gambling corps, then you can't be half pregnant. Force teams to release real injury info so proper lines can be made etc.'. I get it and that's something I'm sure Betteman will be pressured to negotiate with the PA for. Though the owners really HATE admitting there's something negotiable they actually really want as that might force them to actually need to negotiate with the players instead of steam rolling the PA into submission

exactly. Now for true transparency I don’t gamble I do play low money fantasy hockey but really I just want to know what’s going on with a player I am a huge fan of and am concerned for.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It's not a matter of being disingenuous. One is governed by trade laws, the other isn't. I'd prefer not to have to go into the full legal reasoning behind this, because I frankly don't have the time.

But in short, there is no precedent or requirement for everyone who influences a financial outcome to disclose their health issues. So, to be specific, as far as public disclosures and transparency is concerned, Mika is indeed governed by the same protections and laws as Bob Smith from the corner grocery store, unless a party that is authorized to negotiate on his behalf, or collectively bargain on his behalf specifically agrees to terms that require the disclosure of that information.

Nothing is OWED to anyone, nor is anything a matter of public transparency, least of all if the concern is an arbitrary transaction with a third party such as gambling. This is primarily because you are not directly engaged in a transaction with the company and/or organization who has access to that information. You are engaged in a transaction with a third party.

Well then why does the NFL make the disclosures?

 

[Edge]

Well then why does the NFL make the disclosures?

Because that's what they negotiated between them and the player's union. Whatever their reasons, both sides were okay with it.

That's not meant as a flippant answer, it's just a rather simple one. It's a business decision.

If you prefer that approach, that's one thing. But that's a far cry from believing something is a public right to know, or that something is owed to the general public. There is no obligation that is going unfilled.

 

[romba]

Well then why does the NFL make the disclosures?

Business decision, negotiated with the PA. NHL will have to decide if it's worth it to bring it to the negotiation table.

NHL: What say you about injury info transparency for our valued and valuable gambling partners please? More $ for everyone involved guys...
PA: Ok, then no Salary Cap??

DEAL!

Rangers go Back to the Dark Ages, HFNYR proceed to fondly reminisce when playing Marc Staal was our biggest concern

 

[Cag29]

Is it a concussion or what?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Ahh yes. One of those unpredictable "neck" injuries you always hear about.

What a joke.

Crosby was out an entire calendar year with a neck injury

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Is it a concussion or what?

Sounds like a neck injury to me. If it was a concussion, it would have been called a concussion

 

[Edge]

People are concerned. I get it. But I haven’t seen or heard anything that leads me to believe it still isn’t sternum and neck.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

No setbacks? This started out as day to day and now the coach is saying there hasn't been setbacks when he's missed 5 games and now he's already crossed him out for the next 3?

C'on. They are blatantly bullshitting us and we are to believe the type of injury they say it is too?

Concussion.

 

[SA16]

It has to be a concussion because when you consider every possible injury an athlete can have a concussion is the only one where a player can seem to be doing well one day and worse the next. No other option.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It could be a concussion but why does anyone outside of the organization have to know. I never understood why they release injuries to the public. Just give a time frame and be done with it. Why give teams or dirty players an area to target? It happened to me one playoffs where everyone knew I was coming back from a broken wrist in the 2nd round, I never took so many slashes to the wrist in my life over that series, I can only imagine a head injury.

 

[Edge]

It has to be a concussion because when you consider every possible injury an athlete can have a concussion is the only one where a player can seem to be doing well one day and worse the next. No other option.

That's actually not true. At all. Seriously.

But considering we've suddenly seen an uptick in posters with medical degrees, who have the amazing ability to diagnose without looking at his file, I feel like it would fall on deaf ears...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That's actually not true. At all. Seriously.

But considering we've suddenly seen an uptick in posters with medical degrees, who have the amazing ability to diagnose without looking at his file, I feel like it would fall on deaf ears...

Doing better one day and worse the next could be a neck injury as well. But everyone jumps to the conclusion it's a concussion for no reason