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Player Discussion Mika Zibanejad: Part II

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Edge said:
Which one is it?

You just said he didn't say, then you said he did.
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He didn't say anything of meaning. He listed two different body parts that potentially could be hurt. I think we already knew that.

The only person who said, definitively, it's a chest injury, is you.
 
Machinehead said:
Anything?

We have no idea what's wrong with him.
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Is it the business of an NHL franchise to discuss the details of an injury with it's fan base? Please tell me what franchise characterizes any injury nowadays as anything other than "lower" or "upper" body.

We do have an idea of what is wrong with him. There are reasons that terms like "bruised sternum" and "whiplash" are being discussed. It is only those who are looking for conspiracy theories that are throwing the word "concussion" around.

Until there is a reason, and by that I mean something other than message board hysteria, there is no reason (at least a for me) to suspect anything else. Given that usually, when there is a concussion at play, that fact becomes known and written about, I believe that there is noting to read into here.

But then, that is just my take.
 
True Blue said:
Is it the business of an NHL franchise to discuss the details of an injury with it's fan base? Please tell me what franchise characterizes any injury nowadays as anything other than "lower" or "upper" body.

We do have an idea of what is wrong with him. There are reasons that terms like "bruised sternum" and "whiplash" are being discussed. It is only those who are looking for conspiracy theories that are throwing the word "concussion" around.

Until there is a reason, and by that I mean something other than message board hysteria, there is no reason (at least a for me) to suspect anything else. Given that usually, when there is a concussion at play, that fact becomes known and written about, I believe that there is noting to read into here.

But then, that is just my take.
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The only people who have said "bruised sternum" are people in this thread. There's just as much validity to that, officially, as the concussion talk.
 
Machinehead said:
He didn't say anything of meaning. He listed two different body parts that potentially could be hurt. I think we already knew that.

The only person who said, definitively, it's a chest injury, is you.
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I think it's been pretty consistent that it's chest/neck area.

Quinn said chest/jaw. And that would more or less line up with what's been consistently said behind the scenes with sternum/neck.

I mean the only real mystery is specifics about the injury and it's recovery time.

The thing that we all have to remember with a concussion is that there are some pretty tell-tale signs that people look for. It's a brain trauma. Typically, those signs are evident quickly.

It's not a matter of a guy feeling dizzy, or having one or two symptoms. There's usually a checklist of things they look for, including brain activity.

If a player doesn't hit enough of those items, it's not necessarily a concussion.
 
Edge said:
I think it's been pretty consistent that it's chest/neck area.

Quinn said chest/jaw. And that would more or less line up with what's been consistently said behind the scenes with sternum/neck.

I mean the only real mystery is specifics about the injury and it's recovery time.

The thing that we all have to remember with a concussion is that there are some pretty tell-tale signs that people look for. It's a brain trauma. Typically, those signs are evident quickly.

It's not a matter of a guy feeling dizzy, or having one or two symptoms. There's usually a checklist of things they look for, including brain activity.

If a player doesn't hit enough of those items, it's not necessarily a concussion.
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The recovery time on a bone injury shouldn't be a mystery.

Concussion symptoms are not necessarily evident quickly. To characterize a trauma injury as easier to pin down than a structural injury is the opposite of reality.

Here's what we do know:

-He has a lengthy concussion history
-His head was impacted on the hit in question
-They have no idea when he's coming back (which, again, is more typical of concussions than structural damage)
-They won't give us any concrete information other than to tell us the night it happened that it definitely isn't a concussion (which they wouldn't have necessarily even known the night of)
-This league is notorious for covering up injuries and it's the only major sport where the nature of injuries are secretive by default

There's plenty of logical reasons here. We're all just speculating but it's disingenuous to suggest that a concussion is a "conspiracy theory" or "hysteria." It's a valid take based on what we know.

It's not like them lying to us is beyond the realm of possibility. We made the same jokes about Nash having "groin concussions" and then we watched the guy retire because of head concussions.
 
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Machinehead said:
The recovery time on a bone injury shouldn't be a mystery.

Concussion symptoms are not necessarily evident quickly. To characterize a trauma injury as easier to pin down than a structural injury is the opposite of reality.

Here's what we do know:

-He has a lengthy concussion history
-His head was impacted on the hit in question
-They have no idea when he's coming back (which, again, is more typical of concussions than structural damage)
-They won't give us any concrete information other than to tell us the night it happened that it definitely isn't a concussion (which they wouldn't have necessarily even known the night of)
-This league is notorious for covering up injuries and it's the only major sport where the nature of injuries are secretive by default

There's plenty of logical reasons here. We're all just speculating but it's disingenuous to suggest that a concussion is a "conspiracy theory" or "hysteria." It's a valid take based on what we know.

It's not like them lying to us is beyond the realm of possibility. We made the same jokes about Nash having "groin concussions" and then we watched the guy retire because of head concussions.
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First of all, I never said it was easier to pin down. What I did say was that there are certain things you look for with a concussion. Based on feedback to this point, he didn't meet those benchmarks.

Second, if he has a Sternum injury and a neck injury, the current time-frame is not unheard of.

And no, it's not a logical conclusion because you don't actually know any of the symptoms. You're looking at correlation as being causation and that is a very dangerous game to play.

How do you know the problem he's having right now isn't that he can't get enough oxygen into his system and he's having trouble breathing? Or that he can't turn his neck, thus making him vulnerable to a hit because he can't react fast enough?

See, that's the whole problem about all this shit. It's literally the epitome of piecing things together, without even having a root piece of evidence to go off of.
 
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Machinehead said:
The only people who have said "bruised sternum" are people in this thread. There's just as much validity to that, officially, as the concussion talk.
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He was hit in the chest. So there is that. The names of people who would have talked about it, I trust their views.

But sure. I can see where a widespread conspiracy is a much more plausible theory. Tell me, when was the last time this franchise kept a concussion secret?
 
Edge said:
First of all, I never said it was easier to pin down. What I did say was that there are certain things you look for with a concussion. Based on feedback to this point, he didn't meet those benchmarks.

Second, if he has a Sternum injury and a neck injury, the current time-frame is not unheard of.

And no, it's not a logical conclusion because you don't actually know any of the symptoms. You're looking at correlation as being causation and that is a very dangerous game to play.

How do you know the problem he's having right now isn't that he can't get enough oxygen into his system and he's having trouble breathing? Or that he can't turn his neck, thus making him vulnerable to a hit because he can't react fast enough?

See, that's the whole problem about all this ****. It's literally the epitome of piecing things together, without even having a root piece of evidence to go off of.
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What evidence do you have? How do you know the problem isn't that he's dizzy and nauseous?

Like I said, we're all just speculating, but the problem we always run into is that you think your opinions are closer to fact than everyone else's.
 
True Blue said:
He was hit in the chest. So there is that. The names of people who would have talked about it, I trust their views.

But sure. I can see where a widespread conspiracy is a much more plausible theory. Tell me, when was the last time this franchise kept a concussion secret?
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Rick Nash? Multiple times?
 
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