Player Discussion Mika Zibanejad: Part II

[Edge]

@Edge do you think your connections would leak a serious thing like concussion info to you If they really don’t want to let that get out as the issue?

In all seriousness would they actually tell you that when publicly they’re saying otherwise still?

I certainly don’t doubt you’ve been told sternum/neck issue because that’s what we’ve all been told.

The short answer is that if it was a concussion, someone would likely know by now. But the word both internally and externally (reporters) is that it’s not a concussion.

While teams might not disclose the severity of a condition, they generally don’t tend to flat-out lie about it either. Especially if it’s concussion related.

Now, if it’s a sternum injury, they might not necessarily say he also cracked three ribs, but they’re not likely to classify a stomach or neck issue as a concussion. Especially in this day in age with certain protocols for that type or injury.

Now, it cannot be completely ruled out that he failed some kind of baseline test later. But I just don’t see that lining up with what I’ve been told, others have been told and even what Quinn said. It’s all been pretty consistent to this point.

Now, I’m not in the room so I can’t say for sure what his problem is. But I do think the past concussion and Zibanejad not necessarily being seen as the most durable player in the world does have some influence on the concerns on here.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Yikes, concussion much be getting worse. Should probably shut him down from skating completely.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

 

[NickyLongLegz]

As a clinical pharmacist (not legally a diagnostician), there are many conditions and injuries that mimic the symptoms and better-then-bad again nature of concussions. A cervical (neck) sprain, which is a common whiplash injury, could very well lead to the exact same symptoms as concussion like vertigo and headaches. Symptoms usually go away after two weeks, and could last up to 8 weeks. He could very well be dealing with a cervical sprain, or like others have suggested, a sternal/rib injury. Could also be a concussion, but we don’t have much evidence to suggest such.

 

[Leonardo87]

 

[romba]

By the way in this day and age of legal sports betting and so much money on fantasy sports etc. this bull**** should stop. It doesn’t happen in any other sport. The public has the right to know the actual injuries and real estimates on time lines.

Think you're throwing around the term 'the right to know' fairly liberally there

 

[Edge]

By the way in this day and age of legal sports betting and so much money on fantasy sports etc. this bull**** should stop. It doesn’t happen in any other sport. The public has the right to know the actual injuries and real estimates on time lines.

So, to be clear, the public has a right to know about the medical condition of a complete stranger, because of gambling and fantasy sports?

I just want to make sure I am actually reading that correctly.

 

[Kovalev27]

So, to be clear, the public has a right to know about the medical condition of a complete stranger, because of gambling and fantasy sports?

I just want to make sure I am actually reading that correctly.

yes they do. And it’s not a complete stranger let’s get off the soap box it’s a public athlete that the public spends money on. The nhl has partnered with a legal betting company. Games are determined based on the players playing them. Millions of not billions involved in sports betting.

So yeah you’re reading that correctly and condescendingly if we want to put them on the table brother.

 

[romba]

Yikes, concussion much be getting worse. Should probably shut him down from skating completely.

 

[Kovalev27]

Think you're throwing around the term 'the right to know' fairly liberally there

Well in fairness I am fairly liberal

 

[NickyLongLegz]

HIPAA act of 1996. Nobody has the right to access the personal health information of a patient other than that patient and their healthcare providers.

 

[romba]

yes they do. And it’s not a complete stranger let’s get off the soap box it’s a public athlete that the public spends money on. The nhl has partnered with a legal betting company. Games are determined based on the players playing them. Millions of not billions involved in sports betting.

So yeah you’re reading that correctly and condescendingly if we want to put them on the table brother.

Billions does not supercede privacy rights. Unless they have a contract to let the public know, in which case they would absolutely be releasing the info. As they have not as of yet, I don't believe this contract to release PHI so bettors can have all the info exists as of yet. So then what is the premise to release private health info to the public? $$$? All bettors are in the same boat with lack of knowledge anyway. Inside betting? That would be illegal anyway.

Edge just laid the facts out of what you said bare, and it sounded bad because it is bad quite frankly. He was incredulous more so than condescending but 10+ years of marriage have taught me that that is a verrrrryy fine line to walk lol!

 

[Kovalev27]

Do we see this lack of transparency in other sports like football? Day to day upper body and it’s 2 weeks later? That only happens in Hockey.

 

[romba]

Do we see this lack of transparency in other sports like football? Day to day upper body and it’s 2 weeks later? That only happens in Hockey.

Isn't Tom Brady on the Injured Report every week? So when he actually has a minor injury no one knows whether to believe it or not.

And Day to Day becoming season ending happens in baseball Mets lala land as well though incompetency versus transparency

 

[Kovalev27]

You are not allowed to bring up the Mets. That is not a real professional baseball operation

 

[Edge]

yes they do. And it’s not a complete stranger let’s get off the soap box it’s a public athlete that the public spends money on. The nhl has partnered with a legal betting company. Games are determined based on the players playing them. Millions of not billions involved in sports betting.

So yeah you’re reading that correctly and condescendingly if we want to put them on the table brother.

They OWE you NOTHING.

 

[Crease]

Given current events and pending lawsuits, I have to imagine the NHLPA would have thrown an absolute fit if the Rangers publicly lied about a concussion.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

So, to be clear, the public has a right to know about the medical condition of a complete stranger, because of gambling and fantasy sports?

I just want to make sure I am actually reading that correctly.

While I appreciate this take it's like saying that a public company's executives are complete strangers so we don't have to know about what they do at work.

 

[Edge]

While I appreciate this take it's like saying that a public company's executives are complete strangers so we don't have to know about what they do at work.

Okay, so how many specific health conditions do we know about CEOs?

The question isn't whether or not they can share more details. It's not about whether it would be nice to know specifics.

The question is whether they owe us anything. And they don't. Not legally. Not ethically.

There is not policy or procedure they're violating. The assumption that we are owed anything is inaccurate.

Then we start citing gambling as the reason, it really becomes telling.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The NFL forces teams to disclose players' injuries due to gambling. You're not a complete stranger as an athlete when your health determines whether people lose a lot of money. As I said, they're as much complete strangers as Steve Jobs was.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Okay, so how many specific health conditions do you know about CEOs?

I'm pretty sure Apple disclosed Steve Jobs's cancer since his health affects the potential profitability of the company and the markets. And health for an athlete is different than health for a CEO. One's a profession that makes its money on physical condition and the other doesn't. Health of an athlete is more analogous to business strategy of a business executive.

 

[Edge]

I'm pretty sure Apple disclosed Steve Jobs's cancer since his health affects the potential profitability of the company and the markets. And health for an athlete is different than health for a CEO. One's a profession that makes its money on physical condition and the other doesn't. Health of an athlete is more analogous to business strategy of a business executive.

The laws governing companies concern executive who influence either potential financial decisions, or whose intellectual property is considered a propriety asset of the business.

 

[romba]

The NFL forces teams to disclose players' injuries due to gambling. You're not a complete stranger as an athlete when your health determines whether people lose a lot of money. As I said, they're as much complete strangers as Steve Jobs was.

It's in the NFL-NFLPA contract that teams have to release the injured body part and whether said player is probably, questionable, doubtful, or out. I don't know what is in the NHL-NHLPA contract but with gambling becoming such an issue with regard to injuries teams can perhaps implement the latter, listing the player's likelihood to play the next game, without specifics on the injury type of body part affected.

 

[romba]

I'm pretty sure Apple disclosed Steve Jobs's cancer since his health affects the potential profitability of the company and the markets. And health for an athlete is different than health for a CEO. One's a profession that makes its money on physical condition and the other doesn't. Health of an athlete is more analogous to business strategy of a business executive.

If athlete's health is analogous to strategy, then what would the strategy of playing M. Staal qualify as then? Terminal illness?