OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship
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Far too naive of a position to take. It's like saying that Yzerman in responsible for the success of the prospects the Wings draft. He might have influence in how the organization views elements of amateur scouting, but he realistically is not identifying talent. It's simply not feasible to expect him to.
So the things that are working out from a draft perspective really can't be counted as a win. But talking your way into devaluing your trade chips, painting yourself into a corner, accepting a substandard return instead of just keeping a quality MLB player, those things will always be counted against him.
Not to say that the failing players coming back are his fault, but the mere fact that we have sold players during his tenure from start to finish and never landed an impact player suggests that there is something wrong with the process, and that does ultimately fall on his shoulders.
When you have half a decade of a track record demonstrating a commitment to a failed process as the head man in charge, you are the problem. You do that anywhere other than the sports world and you've either bankrupted a company or were fired before you got the chance. But in the sports world, you can stay afloat longer financially and some owners are just stupid enough to let it keep happening.
Bringing us to the biggest problem. An owner who doesn't care enough.
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I still can't believe it's contentious to say that Avila did a piss poor job as GM.
If Avila wasn't a bad GM, there's never been a bad GM in pro sports.
If Avila wasn't a bad GM, there's never been a bad GM in pro sports.
it's not contentious to say he did a bad job. It's just ridiculous to draw lines for him that you wouldn't draw for any other GM. For better or worse the outcomes of trades, drafts, etc. come to rest on the GM. Avila doesn't fair well under the best of circumstances. There's no reason to go out of the way to artificially make him look worse or to steal from him the few victories he did have. It's just tiresome and petty.
jaster
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Giving him credit for Greene doesn’t even change anything though. I’m a big Greene fan, but it’s not like Greene takes him from an awful GM to something better than an awful GM. He was still awful, in nearly every way.
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sure but if anything it not really changing anything just makes it weirder when people try and pretend he had nothing to do with Greene or whatever
nobody here thinks he wasn't a bad GM
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Same. Making a good top 5 pick doesnt come close to moving the needle for me.
As for the actual Tigers, Tork is actually slowly turning his season around here. On pace for 25 home runs or so. I think theres a guy in there that can hit .270 and 30 HRs a year while being a possible gold glove at 1st.
Mimms is an extremely interesting "gamble" to take. Its not really a gamble because they gave up almost nothing. Hes essentially DJ Chark from last year without the track record though. Massive X receiever with 4.3 speed and was highly touted coming out. He just hasnt had an QB play whatsoever to help him out.
I dont think he'll be as good as Chark, but I think he'll contribute more than you think as a jump ball guy
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It's definitely good to see Torkelson and Greene breaking out. Hopefully Greene can stay healthy. I don't think Torkelson is a GG type... isn't his defense pretty brutal?
Speaking of rebuilds, Baltimore looks to be absolutely f***ing loaded... Rutschmann, Henderson, Rodriguez, Holliday, Cowser, Westburg and others. Must be nice!
jaster
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I really hope Tork pans out (I know we all do). I liked the pick. In a vacuum, I loathe the idea of taking a 1B at first OA, or even anywhere near the top of a draft. But his bat was special, and the Tigers really needed pure hitters, so it made a lot of sense given the other options. I’m excited about him turning things around… if the Tigers can wind up with a Clark-Greene-Tork-Keith top of the lineup, watch out. It’s almost certainly a fantasy, I doubt all 4 hit their ceilings. But until they don’t I’m going to hopelessly romanticize the idea lol.
Gonna be weird to see a Baltimore-Cincinnati WS in 5 years.
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The issue is that the trades that “might work out or did work out” are like getting 20% off your oil change at Valvoline compared to some of the rebuilding trades where he gave up several sports cars and got back mystery cars that will be no better than a Ford Focus in quality.
Essentially his “wins” were meaningless and immaterial and his “losses” were monumental and crushing.
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Oh, don’t worry. One or both will f*** it up. Guarantee that we get a Rutschman or De La Cruz trade demand before they hit FA
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Dammit!!!!
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Detroit Lions' C.J. Gardner-Johnson carted off field with potentially serious knee injury
Detroit Lions safety C.J. Gardner-Johnson, who tied for the NFL lead with 6 INTs last season, suffered a non-contact knee injury during practice.
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jaster
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Soooo, EdRod invoked his NTC to block the trade to LA, so he could be closer to his family? On the east coast? For 2 months? How many times is this guy going to visit his family on the east coast in the next 2 months while the season is going on?
….unless he’s actually planning to not opt out of his contract after this season.
….unless he’s actually planning to not opt out of his contract after this season.
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I think people are raking Harris over the coals a little too hard on this one. If Erod extends in Detroit/doesnt opt out, its probably a smart play to not move him.
It also sounds like ERod said he would go to LA and after the fact (probably discussing with his wife) turned around and said nevermind. Put Harris in a tough spot for sure, but too many people are being way too reactionary about it
jaster
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I trust that Harris played the cards he was dealt the best he could (can't prove it, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt). My gripe is with EdRod, especially if he opts out of his contract. If he's planning to stay in Detroit, well, ok I guess. I think this is a career year, though, and his value will never be higher, so this trade that never happened is unfortunate either way.
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Very positive remarks and clips of Cunningham and Duren out of Team USA camp this week.
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Do we officially know when Traverse City training camp is for the Red Wings? Might try to go this year.
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Former Tigers catcher and radio analyst Jim Price dies at 81
Jim Price, a former Detroit Tigers catcher who played on their 1968 championship team and a broadcast analyst for decades, has died. He was 81.
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