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Ed Ned and Leddy said:
Welp, there it is. I won't pretend to be a little frustrated to see us bet on a guy who shot .671 at the free throw line, but I definitely get the appeal and I'm hoping for the best.
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The frustration stems more from the fact that even with his warts, Ausar was definitely on the short list of “best available” at pick 5. This class was set up for us to fail if we dropped out of the top 3, and we did. That’s the frustrating parr
 
FabricDetails said:
Is the ghost of Stanley Johnson in a Pistons jersey haunting you?
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Haha, I think that probably does play a role in my skepticism of Ausar if I’m honest. I just feel like so many teams get burnt trying to develop the shot for these hyper athletic guys - for every one Kawhi, there are two dozen Johnsons, to your point. I like Ausar’s playmaking and defense, but even with his supposedly improved shooting form, man the numbers are really pretty worrying.

With Cade and Ivey I have a lot of belief in the playmaking and the finishing at the basket. I’m optimistic about the shooting, but I think it’s a question mark. Duren is awesome, I’m a huge fan, but again a traditional center who isn’t going to give you any shooting. I was really hoping to surround them with wings who can knock their shots down, so the Ausar fit does worry me if I’m honest. Seems like a good kid so I will hope for the best!
 
MLB draft is tonight. One of the strongest drafts in recent memory, and some are calling the top 2 the best 1,2 punch at the top of the draft possibly the best ever. I dont follow enough MLB draft to comment one way or the other.

Anyways, the tigers pick 3rd and its sounding like the clear 1st overall talent is going to fall to them at 3 because he wants a little more money than the Pirates are willing to offer. Number 2 is going to be Skenes, who people are calling the best pitching prospect ever besides Strasbourg.

Could be a big night for the Tigers
 
newfy said:
MLB draft is tonight. One of the strongest drafts in recent memory, and some are calling the top 2 the best 1,2 punch at the top of the draft possibly the best ever. I dont follow enough MLB draft to comment one way or the other.

Anyways, the tigers pick 3rd and its sounding like the clear 1st overall talent is going to fall to them at 3 because he wants a little more money than the Pirates are willing to offer. Number 2 is going to be Skenes, who people are calling the best pitching prospect ever besides Strasbourg.

Could be a big night for the Tigers
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nice to see at least one Detroit team had some good lottery luck this year

moving up from 6th to 3rd seems like a big deal with this draft
 
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newfy said:
MLB draft is tonight. One of the strongest drafts in recent memory, and some are calling the top 2 the best 1,2 punch at the top of the draft possibly the best ever. I dont follow enough MLB draft to comment one way or the other.

Anyways, the tigers pick 3rd and its sounding like the clear 1st overall talent is going to fall to them at 3 because he wants a little more money than the Pirates are willing to offer. Number 2 is going to be Skenes, who people are calling the best pitching prospect ever besides Strasbourg.

Could be a big night for the Tigers
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The #3 prospect, OF Wyatt Langford, is projected to be almost as good as Crews (the #1 ranked guy). Thus I see the Tigers in a pretty good situation regardless of the previous two picks. Since Greene seems to be legit, OF could become a big plus over the next years.

Gruß,
BSHH
 
Well, Skenes and Crews went 1-2, to the surprise of most mocks. So the Tigers were left with the easy and obviously choice of Langford….. and picked a HS bat lol. At least it wasn’t a pitcher I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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From what I've read, Clark has more upside than Langford in all fronts. Langford looks more like a corner OF than a CF as well.

But much like the NHL draft, no one really knows who will pan out. I'm fine with the pick.
 
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Well, Skenes and Crews went 1-2, to the surprise of most mocks. So the Tigers were left with the easy and obviously choice of Langford….. and picked a HS bat lol. At least it wasn’t a pitcher I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Like I said, I dont follow the MLB draft to know enough either way, but the announcers at the draft seemed to like the pick and said he would be a first overall pick in a normal draft
 
Clark’s going to be very easy for fans to latch on to. If he flirts with his potential, he’ll be a better player than Crews or Langford.
 
my main issue with this is the Tigers best young guys are mostly up in the majors at this point and a college bat just fits that so much better, and Langford was right there so it's not like there wasn't a good option for that
 
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Like I said, I dont follow the MLB draft to know enough either way, but the announcers at the draft seemed to like the pick and said he would be a first overall pick in a normal draft
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I’m probably being too hard on them. Clark is a legit prospect, no doubt, but he’s further away and is less of a sure thing. Crews and Langford have the same general upside (Crews probably the highest) but are 3 years further in their development.

Clark’s not a bad pick, but Detroit assumed some unnecessary risk here… like they almost always do at the top of drafts, even with a new regime in place.
 
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I know losses in baseball should not hurt this much but down to last out to a tied game. Then getting the runner at second only to have the next guy double.
 
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my main issue with this is the Tigers best young guys are mostly up in the majors at this point and a college bat just fits that so much better, and Langford was right there so it's not like there wasn't a good option for that
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jaster said:
I’m probably being too hard on them. Clark is a legit prospect, no doubt, but he’s further away and is less of a sure thing. Crews and Langford have the same general upside (Crews probably the highest) but are 3 years further in their development.

Clark’s not a bad pick, but Detroit assumed some unnecessary risk here… like they almost always do at the top of drafts, even with a new regime in place.
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Based on a lot of the sources that I refer to for baseball, the upside of Clark is higher than either Crews or Langford.

In Clark, you are really drafting a guy that allows you to kick Greene to the corner, a guy who can be a legit leadoff type bat who will hit for average and grow into 20+ homer pop, will be among the league's best defensive center fielders due to his athleticism and arm.

And regarding timeline, Riley Greene, who was not as highly regarded of a prep prospect, was drafted in 2019 and made his debut in 2022, despite missing all of 2020 during the pandemic. While you can't plan on it, it wouldn't be unheard of if Clark ends up on a two year track if he's as good as he profiles. The gap between Langford and Clark in terms of readiness is probably smaller than people choose to believe.
 
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Based on a lot of the sources that I refer to for baseball, the upside of Clark is higher than either Crews or Langford.

In Clark, you are really drafting a guy that allows you to kick Greene to the corner, a guy who can be a legit leadoff type bat who will hit for average and grow into 20+ homer pop, will be among the league's best defensive center fielders due to his athleticism and arm.

And regarding timeline, Riley Greene, who was not as highly regarded of a prep prospect, was drafted in 2019 and made his debut in 2022, despite missing all of 2020 during the pandemic. While you can't plan on it, it wouldn't be unheard of if Clark ends up on a two year track if he's as good as he profiles. The gap between Langford and Clark in terms of readiness is probably smaller than people choose to believe.
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I do appreciate the defensive aspect when it comes to Clark, especially juxtaposed against Langford, who will be a defensive liability. Based on what I've read, I still think Crews has the highest upside of all 3 though, or is at least the same as Clark (but is further along developmentally). But if we get a Corbin Carroll here, I'll of course be thrilled, regardless of what the other guys do.

My main worry is just that there is more room for things to go wrong with Clark, not so much that he will likely take longer to get to Detroit than Langford. Clark's not been tested against as good of competition, and has yet to hit against high velocity. I'm not trying to drag him down, as these are only concerns and not criticisms of his game. He's just more unproven. But I am more in love with the upside today than when they made the pick. "Toolsy" gets overused in the sense that so many "toolsy" guys flame out as nobodies all the time, but there does seem to be some legit projection in this case.

This isn't egregious, like taking Jobe over Mayer, which looked stupid the second it happened, but I just have some concerns. Hopefully Clark assuages them. Risk mainly having to do with age and low quality of competition aside, I have no problem with the player. And while I think Greene is a more legit CF than may give him credit for, I do agree and love the idea of having two young, excellent defenders in the outfield who can also hit. Gives you more option with the 3rd OF spot.
 
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