OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

jaster

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Harbaugh ensures I'll never root for UofM Football while he is there.
Ugh. On one hand, I already disliked him, so that news isn't jarring or anything. On the other hand, it's so much more real than the other things I didn't like about him. Guess I'm just glad I already don't follow M football as much as when I was in undergrad, it's easier to care even less now.
 
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lhsgolf19

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I get the sense that LHS is a bit of a rose colored glasses type of fan. Nothing is ever a bad thing if it’s something that is done by who he is allegiant to.
It’s a joke man, but who cares what people think… everyone has their own beliefs, do I agree with everything he said no but oh well

He’s at UM to coach games and if he wins, I think I’ll be fine lol
 

jkutswings

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Harbaugh ensures I'll never root for UofM Football while he is there.
Because he's not pro choice? Or was there a specific comment you take issue with?

Not trying to pick a fight. It's just a very strong reaction without clarity of source.
 

jaster

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Because he's not pro choice? Or was there a specific comment you take issue with?

Not trying to pick a fight. It's just a very strong reaction without clarity of source.

Harbaugh, given his platform, has spent a not insignificant amount of time and money to push the anti-choice agenda. Speaking only for myself, I don't care what he believes, so long as he doesn't do work to apply his beliefs to other people. But that's not the case.
 
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jkutswings

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Speaking only for myself, I don't care what he believes, so long as he doesn't do work to apply his beliefs to other people. But that's not the case.
I struggle to understand this, particularly with the irony of it being said on an internet message board.

In a general sense, don't each of us constantly work to persuade others based on how we feel about something? Certainly, that does not prevent anybody from disagreeing with our opinion or providing a counter argument. But I don't see the approach of, "think what you want as long as you keep it to yourself" as tenable for inherently social creatures (particularly in an age of instant transfer of information).

Again, in a general sense, does mankind have a long way to go in using dialogue versus beating somebody over the head with their beliefs? Yes, and unfortunately I think we've actually gone backwards in that department over the last decade. But I don't know that radio silence on any potentially controversial topic fixes anything either.

Sorry for the rambling. I just wish fewer things were so contentious these days. I get that this is a particularly hot button issue - and it's definitely not my intent to debate the issue itself, since a hockey forum isn't the right arena for that. But it feels like people (in general, not targeting you) have lost the art of discussion, and replaced it with a perpetual war of words.
 
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jaster

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I struggle to understand this, particularly with the irony of it being said on an internet message board.

In a general sense, don't each of us constantly work to persuade others based on how we feel about something? Certainly, that does not prevent anybody from disagreeing with our opinion or providing a counter argument. But I don't see the approach of, "think what you want as long as you keep it to yourself" as tenable for inherently social creatures (particularly in an age of instant transfer of information).

Again, in a general sense, does mankind have a long way to go in using dialogue versus beating somebody over the head with their beliefs? Yes, and unfortunately I think we've actually gone backwards in that department over the last decade. But I don't know that radio silence on any potentially controversial topic fixes anything either.

Sorry for the rambling. I just wish fewer things were so contentious these days. I get that this is a particularly hot button issue - and it's definitely not my intent to debate the issue itself, since a hockey forum isn't the right arena for that. But it feels like people (in general, not targeting you) have lost the art of discussion, and replaced it with a perpetual war of words.
We're certainly skirting some off-topic issues, but I'll attempt to respond without getting into the topics directly.

Not doing work to apply your beliefs to others is not the same as keeping it to yourself. I mean, discuss your beliefs with anyone interested in engaging, post your beliefs on FB, shout them on the street corner I guess. But once you cross into the realm of formal public speaking and donating money to organizations that lobby elected officials and other policy-making entities, to actively apply your beliefs to other people... to strip them of rights... to force them into situations that do not affect you or other people, well, you're in another realm. And it's well beyond 'having discussions,' or 'being social.' So, that's the line for me anyway.

Discussion is well and good, but some topics in our society result in other human beings suffering, and it's only a privileged position that can say in that case, "hey everyone settle down, let's just talk about this." (not saying you, but I see it all the time). That's an easy approach if you aren't someone directly affected by the issue. A privileged position, one might say.

You're right that people have become much more entrenched in their positions, generally, and discuss less. I agree, and I'm on board with trying to fix that, but in the case of Harbaugh, he's a man I'll likely never speak to in my life, and seeing him do what he's doing is enough for me to support him even less than I already do. Sports are more important than real life issues for many people, I get that. They aren't that for me though.
 
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Hen Kolland

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Sad to hear that Avila has basically admitted to restarting the rebuild after announcing that it was over like 4 months ago.
 

Winger98

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It would be stupid to move Skubel outside of getting a king's ransom in return. That said, I think it's also clear that we weren't really out of the rebuild in the first place - especially after injuries piled up.
 

ricky0034

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Avila attempting to rebuild the failed rebuild is not something I’m looking forward to. This man should not be allowed to make another trade or signing.

even as someone that's not super negative on Avila in general the thought of him being the one to execute a Skubal trade is something of a scary thought
 
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Ed Ned and Leddy

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Folks have likely caught this news by now, but I figured I'd share here too.
Not everybody's cup of tea, but I love the teals.

I plan on grabbing a Cade jersey for support, but honestly I don't wear basketball jerseys frequently so I'm hoping they put out a teal or burgundy crewneck with the logo or something like that.

For me, drafting Ivey and Duren and bringing back the teals is like a dream Pistons summer. I think we'll lose a lot of games this season, but it's going to be so fun to watch the young team grow. Balanced, high-upside core, another top 10 pick likely on the way, plenty of cap flexibility. Tough to bet against Yzerman's track record, but from a neutral point of view I honestly think the Pistons are the most exciting team in the city right now.
 

Winger98

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So, who trusts Avila to make this trade?

Honestly, not sure I'd trust anyone to make it. It's not like we'd be dealing a top chip, or dealing a handful of kids for a legit superstar. If we pulled someone's 3rd, 9th, and 11th best prospects it'd be a great haul but it would also come with massive question marks.
 

Ed Ned and Leddy

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Well this is no good.

Obviously you want to let the process play out, but like the Babcock situation I think it’s pretty rare that these stories come out of thin air. Sounds like Pearson is a knob. The lack of accountability in Michigan athletics is very disheartening, like Hockey Canada I think you’ve got to overhaul the personnel to see real change.

Very brave of Mann to speak up about the program at his age and in his circumstances.
 

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