OT: MIchigan Sports Thread: UM wins Natty Championship

[FabricDetails]

What actually are some of the worst calls that went against the Wings? Can only think of this year's stuff (Kraken stick) and Homer disallowed goals at the moment. And randomly the Brad May intent to blow the whistle.

 

[Ricelund]

What actually are some of the worst calls that went against the Wings? Can only think of this year's stuff (Kraken stick) and Homer disallowed goals at the moment. And randomly the Brad May intent to blow the whistle.

 

[ricky0034]

I find it kinda funny that both of these guys are named Brad

looks like Brad Allen and the other refs from that game yesterday are going to be removed from working the Playoffs at least so that's good

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Yes. SEC IS DONE!! (Unless you count Texas since they’re joining em) but I don’t cause they prolly woulda lost 2 games

 

[jaster]

Go Blue!

 

[Bondurant]

Blue escaping Pasadena with a Rose Bowl victory. It was looking like fundamentals was going to be their downfall. So happy they beat Bama.

 

[Konnan511]

UofM saved a lot of sisters getting pregnant tonight. Thank you for your service Michigan.

 

[newfy]

Overall it was still a very gutsy performance by the road team. But the Lions had half a dozen gaffes purely of their own doing that would've tipped the scales prior to any objections about the officiating. (Not to mention that even without saying Decker didn't report, he was still in an illegal formation.)

This is so dumb. Yes, theres all kinds of plays in a game that didnt execute that could've had the lions win the game. But you know what did happen? The lions executed a play, that gave them enough points to win the game and the only reason it didnt count was a monumental f*** up by the officiating crew on a call that isnt even remotely subjective.

If the lions executed every play perfectly they would score every drive and never punt, but its a hard league against one of the best teams at home in the entire league. They did enough to win and the refs had one of the biggest f*** ups in a long time on a call that was likely the end of the game.

 

[Konnan511]

This is so dumb. Yes, theres all kinds of plays in a game that didnt execute that could've had the lions win the game. But you know what did happen? The lions executed a play, that gave them enough points to win the game and the only reason it didnt count was a monumental f*** up by the officiating crew on a call that isnt even remotely subjective.

If the lions executed every play perfectly they would score every drive and never punt, but its a hard league against one of the best teams at home in the entire league. They did enough to win and the refs had one of the biggest f*** ups in a long time on a call that was likely the end of the game.

I100%

It's like when the Wings scored when the puck went in off of Draper's face, but instead of calling it a legal goal, Toronto comes back on review saying illegal goal due to a high stick. Now imagine that happened with seconds left in the game in a tied game. That's not a bad call, that is legitimately changing the course of the game due to the refs ineptitude. Could the Wings have scored earlier in the game to avoid that? Yah. But the other team could have also scored 7 goals to make that play obsolete. That one call, that one giant gaff, changed the course of the game. That's why people are annoyed, upset, tired.

 

[Konnan511]

Are we really going down that well again with the refs?

Overall it was still a very gutsy performance by the road team. But the Lions had half a dozen gaffes purely of their own doing that would've tipped the scales prior to any objections about the officiating. (Not to mention that even without saying Decker didn't report, he was still in an illegal formation.)

Decker was in a legal formation, he was a reported Left Guard, he was not blocked in like #70 way (who did NOT report in).

Deck, eligible, not blocked in. Skipper, blocked in by Sewell:

 

[jkutswings]

This is so dumb. Yes, theres all kinds of plays in a game that didnt execute that could've had the lions win the game. But you know what did happen? The lions executed a play, that gave them enough points to win the game and the only reason it didnt count was a monumental f*** up by the officiating crew on a call that isnt even remotely subjective.

If the lions executed every play perfectly they would score every drive and never punt, but its a hard league against one of the best teams at home in the entire league. They did enough to win and the refs had one of the biggest f*** ups in a long time on a call that was likely the end of the game.

Boo hoo. Until somebody invests in a fully automated system of officiating, there will always be a human element of mistakes.

Yes, it was a bad call, and said officiating crew was already demoted accordingly. Life goes on.

It's not that nobody is entitled to frustration over a call getting blown. It's that every time something like this happens, fans come rushing out to scream injustice, as if it only happens to their team and there's a giant conspiracy to undermine their predestination to glory.

The Lions are a team that will host and win a playoff game, and then lose to whomever they play next. The outcome versus Dallas doesn't change that. We don't need yet another "Detroit vs Everybody" scenario that already seems to pop up on these boards every few Wings games. As if the home team is unique for getting hosed by the zebras (when the Wings are actually drawing more penalties than anybody else this season).

 

[Bench]

It's not that nobody is entitled to frustration over a call getting blown. It's that every time something like this happens, fans come rushing out to scream injustice, as if it only happens to their team and there's a giant conspiracy to undermine their predestination to glory.

You can tell immediately when a fan exclusively watches their team. They always think it's some special screwing just for them. This shit is happening to every single team at some point.

The only consistent part about NFL reffing is that you can be sure they will get way more involved in a game than anyone hopes.

Every NFL fanbase thinks that refs suck. Even the media golden boy Mahomes had a reffing induced temper tantrum on TV, after a game deciding call, a few weeks ago (and got fined for it).

The more close games you're in, the more likely you're going to be unhappy with a call. Get ready for more frustration because playoff blown calls hit different.

 

[izlez]

You can tell immediately when a fan exclusively watches their team. They always think it's some special screwing just for them. This shit is happening to every single team at some point.

The only consistent part about NFL reffing is that you can be sure they will get way more involved in a game than anyone hopes.

Every NFL fanbase thinks that refs suck. Even the media golden boy Mahomes had a reffing induced temper tantrum on TV, after a game deciding call, a few weeks ago (and got fined for it).

The more close games you're in, the more likely you're going to be unhappy with a call. Get ready for more frustration because playoff blown calls hit different.

Don't you worry, the Lions have been the victim of black and white, non-judgement calls, somehow going against us in each of our last 2 playoff games.

(I'd also argue that the Lions are victims of this shit more, as many of them have directly lead to rule changes to fix the f***ups going forward)

 

[Bench]

Don't you worry, the Lions have been the victim of black and white, non-judgement calls, somehow going against us in each of our last 2 playoff games.

(I'd also argue that the Lions are victims of this shit more, as many of them have directly lead to rule changes to fix the f***ups going forward)

You can remember that far back?

Seriously though, I'm pleased to see the Lions back in the mix and with a well-earned division championship. Fun team to watch this year for sure.

 

[newfy]

Boo hoo. Until somebody invests in a fully automated system of officiating, there will always be a human element of mistakes.

Yes, it was a bad call, and said officiating crew was already demoted accordingly. Life goes on.

It's not that nobody is entitled to frustration over a call getting blown. It's that every time something like this happens, fans come rushing out to scream injustice, as if it only happens to their team and there's a giant conspiracy to undermine their predestination to glory.

The Lions are a team that will host and win a playoff game, and then lose to whomever they play next. The outcome versus Dallas doesn't change that. We don't need yet another "Detroit vs Everybody" scenario that already seems to pop up on these boards every few Wings games. As if the home team is unique for getting hosed by the zebras (when the Wings are actually drawing more penalties than anybody else this season).

Once again, dumb. Yes theres an element of human mistakes in officiating. But this wasnt some bang bang, missed tug on a jersey. This was a play that had been gone over with more than one official prior to the game, had a 30 second delay after a huddle of officials and ultimately overturned a game winning score.

You see how thats not just like, dang they missed a call, it was egregious to the point of having essentially all the national football media talking about how absolutely horrible it was. "Fans come rushing out to scream injustice" - find a call as egregious as this, and those fans will be justified in doing so, especially in a game that high stakes. It cost them the 2 seed in the second last week of the season against their direct competition for the 2 seed

As for your last paragraph thats the whole point. The lions are a team that will host and win a playoff team and then lose to whoever they play next. Winning that game would've essentially guaranteed them 2 home playoff games. Theyve lost one game at ford field in the last 15 weeks. They would be in a way better position.

You can tell immediately when a fan exclusively watches their team. They always think it's some special screwing just for them. This shit is happening to every single team at some point.

The only consistent part about NFL reffing is that you can be sure they will get way more involved in a game than anyone hopes.

Every NFL fanbase thinks that refs suck. Even the media golden boy Mahomes had a reffing induced temper tantrum on TV, after a game deciding call, a few weeks ago (and got fined for it).

The more close games you're in, the more likely you're going to be unhappy with a call. Get ready for more frustration because playoff blown calls hit different.

Meh, go watch ESPN and tell me its only lions fans that think this was a complete screw job. It was mentioned before but go look at how many rules have been changed after some ridiculous bs to do with the lions. The Mahomes example kinda goes against your point though. He actually complained that the refs didnt give them a warning about breaking the rules because thats what normally happens... do you think historically the lions would get those same warnings or just get the flag?

 

[jkutswings]

Once again, dumb. Yes theres an element of human mistakes in officiating. But this wasnt some bang bang, missed tug on a jersey. This was a play that had been gone over with more than one official prior to the game, had a 30 second delay after a huddle of officials and ultimately overturned a game winning score.

You see how thats not just like, dang they missed a call, it was egregious to the point of having essentially all the national football media talking about how absolutely horrible it was. "Fans come rushing out to scream injustice" - find a call as egregious as this, and those fans will be justified in doing so, especially in a game that high stakes. It cost them the 2 seed in the second last week of the season against their direct competition for the 2 seed

As for your last paragraph thats the whole point. The lions are a team that will host and win a playoff team and then lose to whoever they play next. Winning that game would've essentially guaranteed them 2 home playoff games. Theyve lost one game at ford field in the last 15 weeks. They would be in a way better position.

Use whatever insults and superlatives you like. But ultimately we have to agree to disagree:

You have a level of expectations that officials cannot make a mistake with consequences that are pivotal to the outcome of a game. I don't.

I'm guessing we also have very different perspectives on this Lions season as a whole. That's also fine, and once again we agree to disagree.

 

[jaster]

Once again, dumb. Yes theres an element of human mistakes in officiating. But this wasnt some bang bang, missed tug on a jersey. This was a play that had been gone over with more than one official prior to the game, had a 30 second delay after a huddle of officials and ultimately overturned a game winning score.

You see how thats not just like, dang they missed a call, it was egregious to the point of having essentially all the national football media talking about how absolutely horrible it was. "Fans come rushing out to scream injustice" - find a call as egregious as this, and those fans will be justified in doing so, especially in a game that high stakes. It cost them the 2 seed in the second last week of the season against their direct competition for the 2 seed

As for your last paragraph thats the whole point. The lions are a team that will host and win a playoff team and then lose to whoever they play next. Winning that game would've essentially guaranteed them 2 home playoff games. Theyve lost one game at ford field in the last 15 weeks. They would be in a way better position.





Meh, go watch ESPN and tell me its only lions fans that think this was a complete screw job. It was mentioned before but go look at how many rules have been changed after some ridiculous bs to do with the lions. The Mahomes example kinda goes against your point though. He actually complained that the refs didnt give them a warning about breaking the rules because thats what normally happens... do you think historically the lions would get those same warnings or just get the flag?

Yeah, this is on another level. To chalk it up on the pile of "missed calls" that accumulate around the league on a weekly basis is selling it way short.

And while fans generally complain too much about officiating in all sports all the time, there is also the other end of that spectrum. There are cases like this, that are so acute, so egregious, and are agreed upon even by other fanbases... and then there are people who are still implying that officiating cannot ever be blamed for a loss. Cases like this are the exception, sure, but they happen. Like, ok, yeah, I guess Armando Galarraga should have induced a fly ball to Jason Donald instead of a soft, routine ground ball. Why didn't you just play better, Armando?

There's a reality between "the officials always screw over my team" and "officials can't screw over individual teams ever."

 

[Bench]

Meh, go watch ESPN and tell me its only lions fans that think this was a complete screw job. It was mentioned before but go look at how many rules have been changed after some ridiculous bs to do with the lions. The Mahomes example kinda goes against your point though. He actually complained that the refs didnt give them a warning about breaking the rules because thats what normally happens... do you think historically the lions would get those same warnings or just get the flag?

I watch like 3-4 NFL games a week and there isn't a week that goes by I'm not shaking my head at the outcome of a game. This Lions one is more memorable, and yes they got screwed obviously, but this shit is happening all over. It's why NFL fans are so disgruntled about the reffng and want accountability for a change.

The Lions are special because they are division champs now. Not because they are some kind of persecuted franchise. Shake off that loser mentality. Show some pride in your current status, brother.

 

[jaster]

I watch like 3-4 NFL games a week and there isn't a week that goes by I'm not shaking my head at the outcome of a game. This Lions one is more memorable, and yes they got screwed obviously, but this shit is happening all over. It's why NFL fans are so disgruntled about the reffng and want accountability for a change.

The Lions are special because they are division champs now. Not because they are some kind of persecuted franchise. Shake off that loser mentality. Show some pride in your current status, brother.

I might have missed a post… did someone say the Lions are a persecuted franchise?

 

[jkutswings]

I might have missed a post… did someone say the Lions are a persecuted franchise?

It's moreso the contrast between the following:
1) This was an historically awful call.
2) Welcome to sports. This stuff happens.

 

[Bench]

I might have missed a post… did someone say the Lions are a persecuted franchise?

Yes. Here's two examples right here.

Don't you worry, the Lions have been the victim of black and white, non-judgement calls, somehow going against us in each of our last 2 playoff games.

(I'd also argue that the Lions are victims of this shit more, as many of them have directly lead to rule changes to fix the f***ups going forward)

... do you think historically the lions would get those same warnings or just get the flag?

And just so you don't, "Oh that's just two offhand comments here..." Nah, it's a cultural thing with the fanbase. Going back years. Look at all the crap you can pull up on the internet about it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1350209-top-10-controversial-calls-in-detroit-lions-history

"
For Lions fans, it wasn't only maddening to lose the game. It was a familiar injustice that will certainly be answered with a half-hearted apology from the NFL that allows the rest of the country to move on and forget about that team from Detroit.

If you're just catching on to the fact that the Lions have fallen victim to some of the most controversial officiating moments in NFL history, here's a look at the different ways referees have robbed this franchise."

7 totally unique ways NFL officials have robbed Detroit Lions this decade

The Detroit Lions have been one of the most incompetent franchises in professional sports for the better part of 50 years, but they've also fallen victim to more than their fair share of misfortune.

www.clickondetroit.com

Ranking the top 6 Detroit Lions screwjobs

The Lions have a history of being abused by refs. Here are the worst culprits.

www.prideofdetroit.com

"As fans of a certain team, we tend to think our fan suffering is unique.

However, there actually is something to be said about the Lions’ ability to suffer where no team has suffered before. They are pioneers on the path of set to officiating hell."



This video starts, "All Lions fans know it's Detroit vs everybody..."

This stuff just gets repeated ad nauseum until everyone buys into it and it becomes your identity.

 

[izlez]

Yes. Here's two examples right here.





And just so you don't, "Oh that's just two offhand comments here..." Nah, it's a cultural thing with the fanbase. Going back years. Look at all the crap you can pull up on the internet about it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1350209-top-10-controversial-calls-in-detroit-lions-history

"
For Lions fans, it wasn't only maddening to lose the game. It was a familiar injustice that will certainly be answered with a half-hearted apology from the NFL that allows the rest of the country to move on and forget about that team from Detroit.

If you're just catching on to the fact that the Lions have fallen victim to some of the most controversial officiating moments in NFL history, here's a look at the different ways referees have robbed this franchise."

7 totally unique ways NFL officials have robbed Detroit Lions this decade

The Detroit Lions have been one of the most incompetent franchises in professional sports for the better part of 50 years, but they've also fallen victim to more than their fair share of misfortune.

www.clickondetroit.com

Ranking the top 6 Detroit Lions screwjobs

The Lions have a history of being abused by refs. Here are the worst culprits.

www.prideofdetroit.com

"As fans of a certain team, we tend to think our fan suffering is unique.

However, there actually is something to be said about the Lions’ ability to suffer where no team has suffered before. They are pioneers on the path of set to officiating hell."



This video starts, "All Lions fans know it's Detroit vs everybody..."

This stuff just gets repeated ad nauseum until everyone buys into it and it becomes your identity.

So, we've got here several documented examples of the Lions blatantly getting screwed over by the NFL on things in recent years that are black and white and often resulting in rule changes.

And you say that this applies to all teams in the league. So...... show us?

 

[Ben Grimm]

... And you say that this applies to all teams in the league. So...... show us?

NFL officiating is broken, according to coaches and executives. Inside a fractured system with no imminent fix

Oversight from league headquarters in New York and team owner sentiment are the top impediments, sources tell Yahoo Sports. And there's no reason to believe it will change anytime soon.

sports.yahoo.com

The NFL's latest officiating fiasco in Lions-Cowboys was a long time in the making

Referee Brad Allen might have moved too quickly, or the Lions moved too slyly, but there were plenty of other factors in Saturday's mess.

theathletic.com

Playoff race fallout shows NFL officiating needs to change | Sunday Night Blitz

Yahoo Sports’ Jason Fitz and Frank Schwab discuss the officiating errors at the end of Saturday night’s Lions-Cowboys game - which led to a Dallas win - and with a Philadelphia loss on Sunday, pushed the Eagles back to the 5th seed position in the NFC. Hear the full conversation on “Sunday Night...

sports.yahoo.com

Refs missed tripping call before late Lions penalty

Officials missed a tripping call late in Saturday's Lions-Cowboys game that later allowed for their controversial ruling on Detroit's 2-point conversion.

www.espn.com

NFL officials have been asked to influence games because of betting: Ex-VP of officiating

Current Fox Sports rules analyst Dean Blandino unveiled this truth in a podcast appearance

deadspin.com

 

[izlez]

NFL officiating is broken, according to coaches and executives. Inside a fractured system with no imminent fix

Oversight from league headquarters in New York and team owner sentiment are the top impediments, sources tell Yahoo Sports. And there's no reason to believe it will change anytime soon.

sports.yahoo.com

This does not show me.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Use whatever insults and superlatives you like. But ultimately we have to agree to disagree:

You have a level of expectations that officials cannot make a mistake with consequences that are pivotal to the outcome of a game. I don't.

I'm guessing we also have very different perspectives on this Lions season as a whole. That's also fine, and once again we agree to disagree.

It’s not that they can’t make mistakes. It’s that the NFL made a f***in shame film to blame the Lions for it. They messed up. The least they can do is say “hey, our bad. We kicked it”. Them circling the wagons and letting Brad Allen be so cagey about it shows that they don’t care about trying to be better. That’s what bothers me.

Like yeah, you’re in a close game, you could have done something better earlier to not leave it up to the ref.

But Brad Allen is gaslighting and saying shit that didn’t happen and the NFL is like “yup, our guy did no wrong”.

That's what is annoying me so badly about this. The NFL is pretty brazenly coming out and saying "We're not gonna try to ask the refs to be better at our jobs, you have to take into account that we're incompetent". Or, if we make mistakes... f*** you, deal with it, we're not gonna work to be better.

The Lions guys have to play PR agent and p***y-foot around saying things or else they'll be fined and Brad Allen can get up and just say things that aren't true to cover the fact that he assumed something based on Skipper reporting in plays earlier.