Proposal: Mcdavid to Toronto

[McSuper]

Mrazek>Koskinen

A dried up McDouble has more value then both Mrazek and Koskinen . I don't want either one of them but base on contracts I would take Koskinen 1st as he gone in a few months .

 

[GreeningOil]

All this talk about McDavid and Drai being traded is silly as they're not the problem.

This is the problem.

Hyman​	$5,500,000​
Barrie​	$4,500,000​
Ceci​	$3,250,000​
Keith​	$5,538,462​
Nurse​	$9,250,000​
Lucic​	$750,000​
Neal​	$1,916,667​
Sekara​	$1,590,000​
$32,295,129​

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Holy hell that is brutal.

Ceci isn’t a problem. He’s been decent. Hyman has been a good player. The rest is humongous poopoo

 

[Edgelord]

Of course I know it's matthews +. My point is your acting like matthews+ any good piece is a massive overpay by the leafs.

Even hypothetically your not going to get mcdavid just for matthews+ 2nd.

I agree, my whole point is the cost of getting McDavid makes it a non option.
Thats the irony with a player like that. He is almost untradable.
You can have the rarest priceless paining in the world, but if no one has the $$ to buy it, its worthless lol

 

[Fogelhund]

Thats a good point, McDavid isn't stupid and knows that if a team trades for him they will a worse team. Why would he want to leave a team/city just to end up in the same situation.

I think the interesting part that warrants discussion is the question "is a McDavid trade even possible?"
can any team afford to spend the assets?
would any team be willing to spend the assets?
if the asks are whats expected I think the answer is no to both questions.

It isn't "is a McDavid trade possible", it's is it necessary? Again, this only happens if McDavid asks out. McDavid doesn't ask out, until he has full control of where he can go.

Then Oilers have one of two choices... meet his trade demands, or not.

We have a whole history of players demanding trades to specific places, and none of them give full value for the player.

Just look at Eichel.. Sure, some risk there, but Krebs, Tuch, late 1st and a late second? Two mid first round guys, and a couple of meh picks... for Eichel.. and Eichel isn't McDavid, but when a guy wants out, has control of where he's going, the return isn't going to favour the team trading away that guy.

To argue as to what Oilers might get in a trade... when McDavid hasn't asked out.. pointless. Where McDavid asks out, and controls where he goes, there is no, 20 other teams can beat that trade...

It's probably McDavid doesn't ask out. But if he does, after July 1st, it's not going to be a return Oilers fans like.

 

[Fogelhund]

I understand that, but even if he's disgruntled, we'd be offering him to 30 teams. And we would only accept deals that make sense... trading for a guy who is nowhere near as good and makes almost as much money means we can't add anything else to improve our roster in the trade... which means we get worse... which means we lose Draisaitl too.

So fundamentally... Marner is just a non-starter as a centerpiece. Good player, but makes too much money and thus limits the utility of the return.

You wouldn't. Full NMC means he controls who you are negotiating with. If he wants to go to just one team... that's it. So, hope like hell he doesn't ask out after July 1st.

 

[Edgelord]

It isn't "is a McDavid trade possible", it's is it necessary? Again, this only happens if McDavid asks out. McDavid doesn't ask out, until he has full control of where he can go.

Then Oilers have one of two choices... meet his trade demands, or not.

We have a whole history of players demanding trades to specific places, and none of them give full value for the player.

Just look at Eichel.. Sure, some risk there, but Krebs, Tuch, late 1st and a late second? Two mid first round guys, and a couple of meh picks... for Eichel.. and Eichel isn't McDavid, but when a guy wants out, has control of where he's going, the return isn't going to favour the team trading away that guy.

To argue as to what Oilers might get in a trade... when McDavid hasn't asked out.. pointless. Where McDavid asks out, and controls where he goes, there is no, 20 other teams can beat that trade...

It's probably McDavid doesn't ask out. But if he does, after July 1st, it's not going to be a return Oilers fans like.

I can't see that happening. I think he will ride out the contract and the Oilers will move him in the off season in his last yr. I bet a contender at that time pays a hefty price of futures and McDavid gets to go to UFA like I think he may want to

 

[Fogelhund]

I can't see that happening. I think he will ride out the contract and the Oilers will move him in the off season in his last yr. I bet a contender at that time pays a hefty price of futures and McDavid gets to go to UFA like I think he may want to

It's probably more probable he stays with Oilers until he is UFA, then decides if he wants to stay, or go UFA. Even near the end of the contract, he still controls everything, making it difficult to move him.

 

[bucks_oil]

The premise is trading McDavid because he is disgruntled. If he is not disgruntled he isn't getting traded.

So what are the top 10 players and what's the deal look like?

But since you asked... I said either another top 10 guy + adds OR a package of younger, cheaper talent & picks. I actually favor younger, cheaper players (and multiple of them) as better foundations (these are not the full deal, I'm just talking the centerpieces) for a deal might include:

NYR: Fox + Lafrenierre/Kakko, or Shesterkin + Lafrenierre + Kakko
COL: Makar + Byram
DAL: Heiskanen + Oettinger
VAN: Hughes + Demko
BOS: McAvoy + Swaymann

Etc...

 

[shortfuze]

You think leafs wouldn't trade matthews for mcdavid? Straight up?

My god you leaf fans are so delusional.

All fans can be delusional. Including yourself. So relax.

 

[bucks_oil]

I can see 31 teams make an offer but the reality is most would be considered way too low.
McDavid is basically untradable due to his value being too high. Also he wants to win so he would veto any trade knowing that the team he is going to is basically going to be the same situation he is leaving after paying the price to get him.

It's not easy, but there are some teams that could add him to a "built for the present" team and have sufficient ultra-high end prospects that they could trade. Challenge is the cap of course.

 

[Edgelord]

It's probably more probable he stays with Oilers until he is UFA, then decides if he wants to stay, or go UFA. Even near the end of the contract, he still controls everything, making it difficult to move him.

I get the sense McDavid is a decent guy and just wouldn't walk to UFA and leave the Oilers with nothing.
I really see him sticking with it and with 1 yr left asking if a trade to a legit contender is doable.
or he resigns, again I would expect it to happen in the same time frame I think a trade would happen.

 

[sens13]

All fans can be delusional. Including yourself. So relax.

Of course every fanbase has delusional fans but the majority of leaf fans are pretty delusional though. Just take a look at their board. So many of them still think marner+ is fair. They don't even bother to argue with reason. They think potential means nothing.

Hell it was a leafs mod who has 60,000 posts that said marner/1s/sandin was fair for mcdavid and then came back with marner for drai.

Another leafs fan with 60,000 posts doesn't even understand how potential works when it comes to high end prospects.

Like when you have mod's and vets that are delusional of course the majority of that fanbase will be delusional too.

 

[bucks_oil]

You wouldn't. Full NMC means he controls who you are negotiating with. If he wants to go to just one team... that's it. So, hope like hell he doesn't ask out after July 1st.

Isn't any place better than Edmonton? That's what you guys always say right?

Didn't Gretzky demand a trade only to LA for Janet's career?

The GM (AND OWNER!!!) on the other end, even if only one (I don't think McDavid's list would be 1 team long, do you?), would be highly, highly motivated to close the deal and bring in the leagues top talent and most marketable star... don't kid yourself.

 

[A1LeafNation]

But since you asked... I said either another top 10 guy + adds OR a package of younger, cheaper talent & picks. I actually favor younger, cheaper players (and multiple of them) as better foundations (these are not the full deal, I'm just talking the centerpieces) for a deal might include:

NYR: Fox + Lafrenierre/Kakko, or Shesterkin + Lafrenierre + Kakko
COL: Makar + Byram
DAL: Heiskanen + Oettinger
VAN: Hughes + Demko
BOS: McAvoy + Swaymann

Etc...

Those are great offers if made. I think the Leafs should stick with Marner Sandin Robertson 1st...and leave it with Edmonton and McDavid (if he has a say) to choose.

 

[not a troll]

A trade won’t be required. In 4 years McDavid is a UFA.

What if I told you I have pictures of McDavid in Canucks pajamas?

 

[Ciao]

Leafs dont trade Matthews for McDavid? You thought you could sneak that in there?

You're not paying attention.

I'm not suggesting Matthews for McDavid straight up. I'm just saying that if McDavid goes to Toronto, then Matthews is going to Edmonton.

McDavid is the best player in the National Hockey League, and I can't think of any one player that Edmonton would accept on a one-for-one.

Off the top of my head, I really can't think of any package of players Edmonton would accept that would be remotely realistic for the other team – provided only that McDavid is not forcing the trade. For example, McKinnon and Makar; Hedman, Vasilevski and Point; or Fox, Shesterkin and Lafreniere might do the trick for Edmonton, but it's even more absurd to think that any of Colorado, Tampa or New York would even discuss those packages.

For that matter, I don't even think Matthews and Marner together would be enough from Toronto, and I can't possibly imagine the Leafs offering that or whatever it takes to land McDavid.

Unless McDavid forces one, he's too big a fish to trade. If the packages are enough to satisfy Edmonton, it can't possibly work for the other side.

Mind you, everything changes if McDavid should decide that he wants out.

 

[Fogelhund]

Isn't any place better than Edmonton? That's what you guys always say right?

Didn't Gretzky demand a trade only to LA for Janet's career?

The GM (AND OWNER!!!) on the other end, even if only one (I don't think McDavid's list would be 1 team long, do you?), would be highly, highly motivated to close the deal and bring in the leagues top talent and most marketable star... don't kid yourself.

I like Edmonton as a place to visit, and they've had some great teams. That's up to you to deal with any insecurities you might have with the city.

None of us know what McDavid is thinking. Maybe he'd give multiple teams, maybe just one.

The scenario really depends on how many teams he'd be willing to go to.. and their likelihood of being able to complete a deal. Given this discussion has been about Toronto, Toronto doesn't require the leagues most marketable star, to sell seats, or merchandise. The point here is, McDavid is in the drivers seat. If he asks out, the return won't be what would be deserved in an open market. The fewer the number of teams he'll accept going to, the less that return likely is.

Unless he actually asks out.. he isn't moving. He hasn't asked out...

 

[leafsfan5]

We're just going to wait until he's a UFA, thanks though

 

[shortfuze]

In order for the Oilers to even TALK to the TML about Mcdavid, this would be the starting offer:

Austin Matthews
Morgan Rielly
Nick Robertson
2023 1st round pick

We're discussing a top 5 player of ALL TIME here.

of all time or are you just talking from edmonton?

 

[Fogelhund]

You're not paying attention.

I'm not suggesting Matthews for McDavid straight up. I'm just saying that if McDavid goes to Toronto, then Matthews is going to Edmonton.

McDavid is the best player in the National Hockey League, and I can't think of any one player that Edmonton would accept on a one-for-one.

Off the top of my head, I really can't think of any package of players Edmonton would accept that would be remotely realistic for the other team – provided only that McDavid is not forcing the trade. For example, McKinnon and Makar; Hedman, Vasilevski and Point; or Fox, Shesterkin and Lafreniere might do the trick for Edmonton, but it's even more absurd to think that any of Colorado, Tampa or New York would even discuss those packages.

For that matter, I don't even think Matthews and Marner together would be enough from Toronto, and I can't possibly imagine the Leafs offering that or whatever it takes to land McDavid.

Unless McDavid forces one, he's too big a fish to trade. If the packages enough to satisfy Edmonton, it can't possibly work for the other side.

Mind you, everything changes if McDavid should decide that he wants out.

Under no circumstances would the Leafs be making an offer to Edmonton.

The only scenario is where McDavid, with a full NMC demands a trade, and Leafs are one of, or the only team he'd accept a trade to, with Edmonton making the call.

The smaller the pool of teams he'd accept a trade to, the poorer the return is.

If McDavid demands out, and Edmonton choose to meet his wishes, there is no chance Toronto moves Matthews... Matthews would be the main reason McDavid would even ask to go to Toronto...

But it's irrelevant, McDavid hasn't asked out.. and no chance he does for at least five and a half months.

 

[Edgelord]

Well, then you don’t get McDavid. Unless the Leafs want to take every trash contract the Oil have signed too

Here is a crazy prediction
at the 2025 entry draft McDavid is traded for the 1st OA pick+

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I'll preface this by saying, I don't think McDavid will ever ask out. I've always believed Draisaitl is that kind of guy not McDavid. He is more of the Tavares type that will slip away once the contract is done.

However, fans might mock these offers right now but it's important to be realistic.

If July 1st hits that NMC is activated. McDavid can say "I want out right now and I won't be re-signing" while having one team on his list (i.e. the Leafs, Rangers, etc. ).

At that point, there are two options.

1. You ignore him and keep a disgruntled superstar that will make things public through his agent. This is while knowing he's gone in a few years for free. That's a complete disaster if you don't win a cup considering the value of an asset like McDavid.

2. You negotiate with that specific team and get as much value as possible.

To be fair, the only time Edmonton will ever get proper value for McDavid is between now and July 1st. After that, McDavid has full control and will likely bend Edmonton over if he ever wants out.

Yes, Edmonton doesn't have to trade him but once a player gets stuck in, it never makes sense to keep them. You just delay the inevitable cause the locker room is in tatters once a leader wants out.

 

[Ciao]

Under no circumstances would the Leafs be making an offer to Edmonton.

The only scenario is where McDavid, with a full NMC demands a trade, and Leafs are one of, or the only team he'd accept a trade to, with Edmonton making the call.

The smaller the pool of teams he'd accept a trade to, the poorer the return is.

If McDavid demands out, and Edmonton choose to meet his wishes, there is no chance Toronto moves Matthews... Matthews would be the main reason McDavid would even ask to go to Toronto...

But it's irrelevant, McDavid hasn't asked out.. and no chance he does for at least five and a half months.

I agree.

I've seen suggestions that McDavid comes to Toronto as a free agent and then plays together with Matthews. Hey, I love that idea, but I don't know how it would possibly happen. Brendan Pridham would have to become a friggin' magician. I guess nothing is impossible, but I really don't see anything like that happening.

 

[34]

What if I told you I have pictures of McDavid in Canucks pajamas?

Lol. McDavid is a Toronto boy through and through. Born, raised and grew up a Leafs fan.

 

[Edgelord]

I'll preface this by saying, I don't think McDavid will ever ask out. I've always believed Draisaitl is that kind of guy not McDavid. He is more of the Tavares type that will slip away once the contract is done.

However, fans might mock these offers right now but it's important to be realistic.

If July 1st hits that NMC is activated. McDavid can say "I want out right now and I won't be re-signing" while having one team on his list (i.e. the Leafs, Rangers, etc. ).

At that point, there are two options.

1. You ignore him and keep a disgruntled superstar that will make things public through his agent. This is while knowing he's gone in a few years for free. That's a complete disaster if you don't win a cup considering the value of an asset like McDavid.

2. You negotiate with that specific team and get as much value as possible.

To be fair, the only time Edmonton will ever get proper value for McDavid is between now and July 1st. After that, McDavid has full control and will likely bend Edmonton over if he ever wants out.

Yes, Edmonton doesn't have to trade him but once a player gets stuck in, it never makes sense to keep them. You just delay the inevitable cause the locker room is in tatters once a leader wants out.

man its complicated, say if they do trade McDavid before July 1st, the acquiring team will know about the full NMC that kicks in on July 1st.
So a team trading for McDavid has to be aware of the risk of ending up in the situation the Oilers are trying to avoid.