Proposal: McDavid to NYR

[McSuper]

Not sure why any Oiler‘s fan would be slagging this offer, as a GM I would certainly do it. You’re getting a top 10 goalie who is young, maybe even top 5. You add two young stud D men, both big and physical. A top winger prospect and another kid who needs a change of scenery. Look I get your loosing the best player in the game but your adding so many strong pieces who have yet to reach their potential in the D and the wingers. The issue is getting rid of some of the contracts you have on the books and finding a suitable C solution. I have no doubt Drai can step into the 1C role.

EDM top 4 D
Nurse Bouchard
Miller Schneider

with Shesterkin in net. Yikes. EDM would become the Nashville of the North. Just saying

So a team that won zero , I repeat zero cups should be who we strive to be like ?

I don't think a few fans offering this for McDavid would mean their GM would . Also not sure Edmonton GM would say no if it was offered .

I would take the best goalie in the world over most players as a goalie can take a weak team on his back more so than the best offensive player can . But the fact remains I wouldn't trust our goalie coach with a midget A goalie .

 

[gump116]

Not sure why any Oiler‘s fan would be slagging this offer, as a GM I would certainly do it. You’re getting a top 10 goalie who is young, maybe even top 5. You add two young stud D men, both big and physical. A top winger prospect and another kid who needs a change of scenery. Look I get your loosing the best player in the game but your adding so many strong pieces who have yet to reach their potential in the D and the wingers. The issue is getting rid of some of the contracts you have on the books and finding a suitable C solution. I have no doubt Drai can step into the 1C role.

EDM top 4 D
Nurse Bouchard
Miller Schneider

with Shesterkin in net. Yikes. EDM would become the Nashville of the North. Just saying

Right now Shesterkin is arguably the best goalie in the league, at worst top-3. Given his contract he’s almost definitely the most valuable goalie and probably a top 10 asset overall in the league.

Still not at McDavid’s level (as a player or asset), but would be more than a reasonable main piece for an offer.

 

[Dan Kelly]

Oilers reluctantly say yes, Rangers say no.

The Rangers would never say no to the best player in the NHL.

 

[Dan Kelly]

something i said about Connor got you riled up. it's ok, folks have their trigger points. i posted facts, great player, 1 series win. not arguing, not trolling. is what it is.

Lets not forget here that Connor has had to endure some spotty management since the 2nd round run in the playoffs a few years ago and it's less likely his inability to lead the Oilers to more playoffs and more likely bad management moves that made the team worse since then, though they are definitely on a roll at the moment !!

 

[Dan Kelly]

Right now Shesterkin is arguably the best goalie in the league, at worst top-3. Given his contract he’s almost definitely the most valuable goalie and probably a top 10 asset overall in the league.

Still not at McDavid’s level (as a player or asset), but would be more than a reasonable main piece for an offer.

Ranger fans probably don't want to hear that they'd actually have to give up some good quality like Shesterkin or Lafreniere to get McDavid because you'd just never get him for spare parts, not someone as outstanding and in his prime like McDavid !!

 

[TGWL]

Sorry to burst your bubble but he's not the best goalie in the world
that title still belongs to Vasilevskiy
not taking anything away from Shesterkin he's been incredible but he has alot more to prove still

If this was 5 years ago and Crosby had a down season, there would be some fans posting "Is he still the best", but I think majority would agree that he probably was/is). Goalies seem to be bouncing around every year. Vasi has been the best for a while and Tampa has dominated. But the title for best goalie in the world seems to bounce around a lot more than best player(non-goalie). Being the current best doesn't mean you're the decade best, or now the best goalie for the next 5 years.

Also McDavid's significant other, designed that custom built house, right? They aren't going anywhere.

 

[TFHockey]

I posted this a while ago, Kinda forgot about it.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Pass.

Everyone here knows how important amazing goaltending is.

Trading Shesterkin and more for McDavid would set the Rangers back way too much.

 

[TGWL]

I posted this a while ago, Kinda forgot about it.

You started this and walked away...

 

[TheNumber4]

NYR fans acting like they would be a better spot for McDavid to win. Yeh that organization is definitely is known for winning with its 1 Cup since 1940 despite literally having one of the biggest budgets in the League and the ability to sign nearly all attractive UFAs every year lol. And that 1 Cup win was literally powered by former Oilers anyways. The Rags have made the playoffs only twice since McDavid entered the League, not any better than the 3 playoffs (1 was a play-in) the Oilers qualified for which is soon to be 4 playoffs. But sure, maybe McDavid would have liked getting rag dolled by Tom Wilson as the team does nothing to stop it. Totally better environment for him.

 

[ottawa]

The Rangers would never say no to the best player in the NHL.

The best player in the NHL won't make you the best team in the NHL...see his entire career with the Oilers.

The Rangers would be a worse team if that trade went through
The Oilers would be a better team if that trade went through

Rangers pass, Oilers reluctantly say yes.

 

[bernmeister]

You mean Drasiaitl the player you said was a 40 point player with out McDavid ? I wouldn't do it . If we add a couple D men that can actually play defence and add an above average goalie I think we will be fine .


Of course we would have to move Kassian ,Barrie and Smith and run with Skinner as the backup so it is no easy feat .


I am also sorry for bring up what you said about Draisaitl . Just won't forget the way you bashed his .

Whoa, whoa whoa!
I don't mind taking heat for on things for which I am actually responsible.
You have me confused with someone else.

I was never unduly harsh or critical of LeoDrai, ie that he required McD to ride his coattails.

Yes, when he first came up and his skating was a disaster, I was properly critical of that. Took him into end of his rookie season to start to figure that out, but obv he since has, and I have not otherwise been down on him. When there was a small chance he could be obtained, yes, I went there, but not in ages since.

Like Lennon McCartney, either is a legend in his own right, but adding does not take away from the other. Same applies here.

McD to NY, for reasons explained, cannot possibly make sense.
Drai for Shesty in some variation MIGHT.
Pros and cons for both teams to consider if going there. Not easy to calculate all factors given multiple variables as to if there is a slam dunk win win for both.

 

[bernmeister]

Not even close. Shesterkin could easily fall off the map like most “elite” goalies do these days. His value is no where close to Drais.

While almost anything can happen, that is unlikely. Shesty is a student of arguably the best G guru, coach Benny Allaire.
Anyhoo, NY will not gut the team for a single elite, whoever that is.
Shesty-Drai as a core w/coupla lesser pieces on both sides could be entertained, esp since there is hope Allaire could do adquately sufficient magic on his replacement.

 

[OG Eberle]

While almost anything can happen, that is unlikely. Shesty is a student of arguably the best G guru, coach Benny Allaire.
Anyhoo, NY will not gut the team for a single elite, whoever that is.
Shesty-Drai as a core w/coupla lesser pieces on both sides could be entertained, esp since there is hope Allaire could do adquately sufficient magic on his replacement.

Your argument for why Shesty can't be Schneider 2.0 (in terms of falling off a cliff after performing as a stud) is that he has a good coach?

Really? That's it?

 

[TheNumber4]

Q

While almost anything can happen, that is unlikely. Shesty is a student of arguably the best G guru, coach Benny Allaire.
Anyhoo, NY will not gut the team for a single elite, whoever that is.
Shesty-Drai as a core w/coupla lesser pieces on both sides could be entertained, esp since there is hope Allaire could do adquately sufficient magic on his replacement.

In todays NHL with the drastic increase in scoring if Shersterkij can stay consistently elite he’d be like one of two goalies in the entire league that’ll do that.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

If this was 5 years ago and Crosby had a down season, there would be some fans posting "Is he still the best", but I think majority would agree that he probably was/is). Goalies seem to be bouncing around every year. Vasi has been the best for a while and Tampa has dominated. But the title for best goalie in the world seems to bounce around a lot more than best player(non-goalie). Being the current best doesn't mean you're the decade best, or now the best goalie for the next 5 years.

Also McDavid's significant other, designed that custom built house, right? They aren't going anywhere.

I think Vasi earned that shit and is still the goalie to beat. and yeah goalies are voodoo so anything can happen but imo for that spot to be taken over Vasi has to finish lower next year as well
but hes not far off I can atleast say that imo

 

[KaosKommando]

So lets say that you go with McD for Zib, K'miller, Georgiev and Schneider. That would make Oilers a better team and Ranger worse. It's just not worth it, Think Oilers still won after Gretzky trade?

 

[CapsFrontOffice]

This off season and before McDavid's NMC kicks in:


Brennan Othmann
Braden Schneider
K'Andre Miller
Igor Shesterkin
Filip Chytil


Connor McDavid

Oilers receive a really good LW prospect in Othmann, two defensemen who are on ELCs but are already very good, a legit #1 starter in Shesterkin, and a middle six center in Chytil. They also get a lot of cap space for Holland to throw away on those coveted 37+ year old players. Oh and maybe re-sign Kane. Who knows.

The Rangers receive Connor McDavid with no cap dumps and signed long term. The money can work with all of the cap coming off the books next year and nearly $5 Million in cap space they have right now. The Rangers keep all of their top players in the line up; Fox Panarin, Zib, etc and also Lafreniere and Kakko on ELCs to take up positions vacated by pending UFAs. Lastly, as some NY fans have been insisting, Georgiev gets those minutes to show what a great starter he can be.

Man it took you so much time to even type that out.... what a waste of time lol

 

[TheBeard]

Man it took you so much time to even type that out.... what a waste of time lol

We're on a message board, dude. Literally everything anyone posts here is a waste of time.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Wouldn't trade Shesterkin for McDavid straight up, to be honest

 

[Hobnobs]

You started this and walked away...

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

NYR fans acting like they would be a better spot for McDavid to win. Yeh that organization is definitely is known for winning with its 1 Cup since 1940 despite literally having one of the biggest budgets in the League and the ability to sign nearly all attractive UFAs every year lol. And that 1 Cup win was literally powered by former Oilers anyways. The Rags have made the playoffs only twice since McDavid entered the League, not any better than the 3 playoffs (1 was a play-in) the Oilers qualified for which is soon to be 4 playoffs. But sure, maybe McDavid would have liked getting rag dolled by Tom Wilson as the team does nothing to stop it. Totally better environment for him.

The reason the Rangers haven't made the playoffs the last few seasons is because they publicly did a rebuild due to being a perennial playoff team and contender, drafting in the ass end of the first round for 10 years. The reason the Oilers haven't made the playoffs despite drafting 1OA every year is because their organization is objectively a dumpster fire.

There's a difference in losing because you're trying to versus not knowing how to do anything else. These two organizations are not the same

 

[TheNumber4]

The reason the Rangers haven't made the playoffs the last few seasons is because they publicly did a rebuild due to being a perennial playoff team and contender, drafting in the ass end of the first round for 10 years. The reason the Oilers haven't made the playoffs despite drafting 1OA every year is because their organization is objectively a dumpster fire.

There's a difference in losing because you're trying to versus not knowing how to do anything else. These two organizations are not the same

Why look at recent history only? A recent history that includes pre-cap where no team with the Oilers budget would have been able to win. And even after cap, it’s near impossible to win when you can’t sign UFAs cause they don’t want to come here.

Why don’t we do the logical thing and look at all the history. In the Oilers total history we’ve won 5 cups. The rangers in that same time span, have won 1 (and literally only cause Oilers couldn’t afford to keep the UFAs that powered the Rangers one and only cup win) Add 40 years to that and the Rangers still have only won 1. Pretty sad for an organization with unlimited budget and UFAs lining up to play there.

 

[mrmovies779]

Let me take a shot at this. Laf kakko schneider shesterkin chytll . That looks fair.

Lets throw in Fox, Panarin, Mika and a bunch of 1st's too

 

[The don godfather]

Lets throw in Fox, Panarin, Mika and a bunch of 1st's too

Nah mine looks fair right on the dot.