Proposal: McDavid to NYR

[TGWL]

Why look at recent history only? A recent history that includes pre-cap where no team with the Oilers budget would have been able to win. And even after cap, it’s near impossible to win when you can’t sign UFAs cause they don’t want to come here.

Why don’t we do the logical thing and look at all the history. In the Oilers total history we’ve won 5 cups. The rangers in that same time span, have won 1 (and literally only cause Oilers couldn’t afford to keep the UFAs that powered the Rangers one and only cup win) Add 40 years to that and the Rangers still have only won 1. Pretty sad for an organization with unlimited budget and UFAs lining up to play there.

And history shows only 1 cup win without arguably best player ever, Gretzky. But in all honesty, who cares? The NYR organization spent as much money as they could to buy their cup. You don't typically get young, prime players when you wait to open your wallet and buy them to come. That's not insulting to NYR fans, we weren't happy with the way Sather and Dolan ran things. Having a cap to manage was probably the best thing to happen to this organization because they had to start valuing home-grown and younger players. They might have fired Gorton and Davidson, but NYR have a lot of respected people in the organization. This isn't the 1990's anymore.

 

[mydnyte]

So lets say that you go with McD for Zib, K'miller, Georgiev and Schneider. That would make Oilers a better team and Ranger worse. It's just not worth it, Think Oilers still won after Gretzky trade?

actually, they did, the season after trading him away.

and the Oilers would never take that poor a package for McD
NYR could offer Shesterkin, Fox, Laff, and Kakko and the Oil likely still pass. (I wouldnt, but they likely would)

 

[Dan Kelly]

The best player in the NHL won't make you the best team in the NHL...see his entire career with the Oilers.

The Rangers would be a worse team if that trade went through
The Oilers would be a better team if that trade went through

Rangers pass, Oilers reluctantly say yes.

You'd pass but the Rangers wouldn't....
And that's some strange logic....the Rangers get worse trading a few replaceable players while getting the best player in the league and the Oilers get better without the best player in the league

 

[Dan Kelly]

NYR fans acting like they would be a better spot for McDavid to win. Yeh that organization is definitely is known for winning with its 1 Cup since 1940 despite literally having one of the biggest budgets in the League and the ability to sign nearly all attractive UFAs every year lol. And that 1 Cup win was literally powered by former Oilers anyways. The Rags have made the playoffs only twice since McDavid entered the League, not any better than the 3 playoffs (1 was a play-in) the Oilers qualified for which is soon to be 4 playoffs. But sure, maybe McDavid would have liked getting rag dolled by Tom Wilson as the team does nothing to stop it. Totally better environment for him.

Without Mark Messier the Rangers never would have won the 1994 cup !

 

[ottawa]

You'd pass but the Rangers wouldn't....
And that's some strange logic....the Rangers get worse trading a few replaceable players while getting the best player in the league and the Oilers get better without the best player in the league

If Shesterkin is so replaceable then why tf have the Oilers struggled to get a goalie for 2 decades lmao.

And yes, a team can become better by trading the best player in the league...you know why? Because they're filling multiple holes on their shit team. There's a reason McDavid has just 21 career playoff games, the Oilers aren't a good team even with him and Drai.

 

[TheNumber4]

Without Mark Messier the Rangers never would have won the 1994 cup !

Don’t forget Anderson, MacTavish, Tikkaneen, Lowe, Beukeboom, and Graves. And NYR fans wanna act like their organization is so well managed compared to other teams. Even in the current iteration their best forward (Panarin) and 2 best D (Fox and Trouba) pretty much forced their way to New York, good for them, but that is a huge advantage when it comes to team building that most nearly all hockey markets don’t have.

 

[TheNumber4]

And history shows only 1 cup win without arguably best player ever, Gretzky. But in all honesty, who cares? The NYR organization spent as much money as they could to buy their cup. You don't typically get young, prime players when you wait to open your wallet and buy them to come. That's not insulting to NYR fans, we weren't happy with the way Sather and Dolan ran things. Having a cap to manage was probably the best thing to happen to this organization because they had to start valuing home-grown and younger players. They might have fired Gorton and Davidson, but NYR have a lot of respected people in the organization. This isn't the 1990's anymore.

True only 1 Cup cause half the Oilers roster became unaffordable and went to NYR to power their 1 Cup win. Hey I don’t care, good for Rags fans that they won it and are consistently good, just don’t shit on other organizations and pretend like your team is run by geniuses compared to other organizations without considering all the advantages the market has.

 

[TFHockey]

Man it took you so much time to even type that out.... what a waste of time lol

If you're reading the thread you'll see there are more than a few NYR fans who wouldn't make this trade. From my perspective I'd hate to see McDavid get moved anywhere, but if he did the team has to get upgrades on D, a legit 1A starter and a decent center. Things that would help the Oilers become a more complete team for years to come.

Of course it is fair to say the Oilers can't win a McDavid trade.

If you think this thread was a waste of time try posting your own.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Leave the heavy hitting proposals to @bernmeister please. Thank you.

 

[Soundwave]

lol, acting like the Oilers and Rangers front office's would even have any say. It would come down to James Dolan (Knicks/Rangers) owner on the Rangers side and he would do that in a heart beat. The Oilers would never offer it because their owner, Katz, would never allow it.

The Knicks got spurned by Durant/Irving which pissed Dolan off, to be able to land McDavid would be an OK consolation prize so he'd override his GM on any deal to get it done. The Oilers owner Katz would never offer it for the same reason, McDavid's business worth to the Oilers far outweighs that kind of package. McDavid makes the Oilers a 1 billion+ valuation.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

lol, acting like the Oilers and Rangers front office's would even have any say. It would come down to James Dolan (Knicks/Rangers) owner on the Rangers side and he would do that in a heart beat. The Oilers would never offer it because their owner, Katz, would never allow it.

The Knicks got spurned by Durant/Irving which pissed Dolan off, to be able to land McDavid would be an OK consolation prize so he'd override his GM on any deal to get it done. The Oilers owner Katz would never offer it for the same reason, McDavid's business worth to the Oilers far outweighs that kind of package. McDavid makes the Oilers a 1 billion+ valuation.

Dolan, despite being an enormous ass, really hasn't interfered with the on-ice product of the Rangers. So I don't believe he would say to Drury, "Do whatever you have to to get that Carlton McDonald guy out of Edmonton."

 

[Cotton]

Lol I didn't know McDavid had a NMC...he would 100% waive for new york though

He’s more media shy than Kessel, and values privacy. Could pretty much guarantee he would pick a place like Nashville over New York.

 

[Soundwave]

Dolan, despite being an enormous ass, really hasn't interfered with the on-ice product of the Rangers. So I don't believe he would say to Drury, "Do whatever you have to to get that Carlton McDonald guy out of Edmonton."

When it comes to the biggest draw in the league, he would obviously be involved, lol.

People here are so naive as to how that would work, McDavid is not just some regular player or even regular All-Star tier player. He's a generational talent, arguably the most talented player since Gretzky/Lemieux and certainly the biggest highlight reel player there is.

There is no way Dolan would not have final say, just as on the other end there's no way the Oilers owner, Katz, would ever allow this to even be put on the table.

The Knicks are being overshadowed in their own city by the Nets, landing McDavid would be the biggest coup in hockey since the Kings got Gretzky in '88, there is no doubt about that. Drury ain't saying shit because that is way above his pay grade.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Don’t forget Anderson, MacTavish, Tikkaneen, Lowe, Beukeboom, and Graves. And NYR fans wanna act like their organization is so well managed compared to other teams. Even in the current iteration their best forward (Panarin) and 2 best D (Fox and Trouba) pretty much forced their way to New York, good for them, but that is a huge advantage when it comes to team building that most nearly all hockey markets don’t have.

That's alot of crying over something that happened 28 years ago.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

When it comes to the biggest draw in the league, he would obviously be involved, lol.

People here are so naive as to how that would work, McDavid is not just some regular player or even regular All-Star tier player. He's a generational talent, arguably the most talented player since Gretzky/Lemieux and certainly the biggest highlight reel player there is.

There is no way Dolan would not have final say, just as on the other end there's no way the Oilers owner, Katz, would ever allow this to even be put on the table.

The Knicks are being overshadowed in their own city by the Nets, landing McDavid would be the biggest coup in hockey since the Kings got Gretzky in '88, there is no doubt about that. Drury ain't saying shit because that is way above his pay grade.

We're lucky to have you here to enlighten on how things work.

 

[Soundwave]

We're lucky to have you here to enlighten on how things work.

Well it's pretty obvious that's how things would work, HFBoards sometimes doesn't understand this is ultimately an entertainment business first and foremost, not some hockey soap opera running for their benefit.

There's no way any deal for a Connor McDavid isn't basically put into the owner's hands for both teams. And there's little to no chance Katz would ever offer it in the first place.

Igor Shesterkin sure as f*** is not going to give the Oilers a $1 billion+ franchise valuation, Connor McDavid does. Would you agree to a home renovation that would knock 25% or more off your home's resale value? Even for "Joe Average" that's a pretty stupid thing to do.

 

[RickChartraw]

Carlton McDonald has yet to advance past the 2nd round despite being a generational player. is what it is, right Frank?

 

[Bouboumaster]

yes it is. Oilers have no reason to trade McDavid other than for a kings ransom and they have the right to be as unreasonable as they want if someone wants him.

Imagine you had a 1 of 1 crown jewel that was nothing like anything in the world, you wouldn't just trade it for 10 normal diamonds just because they are equal.

Rangers players while all elite, are no McDavid.

If I were Katz and you were my GM and refused such a ridiculous deal, I'd fire you on the spot and work hard to ban you from the country too

 

[Bouboumaster]

Not trading the best goalie in thee world for ARGUABLY the best player in the world.

You absolutly should tho lol

 

[TheNumber4]

That's alot of crying over something that happened 28 years ago.

Just stating facts. Probably the 2nd time I've even mentioned it in real life or online in 28 years. I don't really care, but if you think it's crying maybe the truth hurts you. I just find it laughable that Rangers fans think their organization is genius well run organization where McD "deserves" to be. Literally the least successful of all the Original 6 teams and that's with huge advantages like an unlimited budget and pick of the litter of UFAs throughout their history.

 

[CapsFrontOffice]

If you're reading the thread you'll see there are more than a few NYR fans who wouldn't make this trade. From my perspective I'd hate to see McDavid get moved anywhere, but if he did the team has to get upgrades on D, a legit 1A starter and a decent center. Things that would help the Oilers become a more complete team for years to come.

Of course it is fair to say the Oilers can't win a McDavid trade.

If you think this thread was a waste of time try posting your own.

Dude if you can't take some friendly B@ll Busting, I apologize. Did not mean to hit you in your feelz.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

McDavid for Lafranranear, Shesterkin and Fox. Would fix Edmontons biggest issues.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

McDavid for Lafranranear, Shesterkin and Fox. Would fix Edmontons biggest issues.

And create great big problems for the Rangers.

 

[bernmeister]

McDavid for Lafranranear, Shesterkin and Fox. Would fix Edmontons biggest issues.

Fox would never waive.
Also too much cap NY cannot move.
Again, McD to NYR does not work
Shesty + for Drai + is potentially possible

 

[TFHockey]

Dude if you can't take some friendly B@ll Busting, I apologize. Did not mean to hit you in your feelz.

My feelz!