bokchoy
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That guy who sat out Game 7 cuz his leg was bruised lmao. Should've played like a man.
McDavid promotion and the hatred from fans?
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What hyperbole. Go watch mid-'80's video of Lemieux getting mauled nightly. Want to see a playoff "slash", cue Adam Graves.
pi314
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It’s almost like I root against players that don’t play for my team.
GreatGonzo
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He didn’t carry any team anywhere, while is “200 foot game” is greatly over exaggerated.
Video Nasty
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Sure it is. That’s why there’s so many make believe tales and what if nonsense when it comes to him. His retroactive “excellent two-way” play myth is a prime example of his story being embellished because he doesn’t carry enough individual achievements, trophies, or anything that resembles Gretzky and Lemieux, like what McDavid has been doing.
How can someone be described as carrying his team to back to back Cups when he didn’t lead them in playoff scoring either year, scored 1 goal and 11 points in 12 SCF games, and was -2 and +4 for a team that was +19 and +21?
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Mr Positive
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He is probably the player who dives the least in the league compared to the abuse he receives. Also his skating is so fast that when he does get clipped it can look dramatic.
He is also a player who will recognize when a player has put their stick too far or gripped the jersey too tight and will them skate harder to make it obvious and push the contact over the line to where the refs have to notice. To me that isn't embellishment
But yes he will occasionally dive, like every single player in this league. But I see him getting tugged and slashed and hooked all night and he just plays through it. Look at all the contact the Panthers are doing on him and yet all the worst dives and embellishments this series have been from Panthers.
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Just one person's opinion here, so take this for what it's worth.
I think much of the "hatred" is not necessarily directed at the player McDavid per se, but the marketing machine that has provided incessant, preferential coverage of him. Some fans may feel that this is to the detriment of other players that should receive similar billing.
It is not unlike during the Super Bowl (I am not a football fan but my parents had it on when we had a combined birthday party family event during that weekend), and I was watching the game and was annoyed that they kept panning to this woman in the booth / box seats. Now, you may not believe this but I had no idea who Taylor Swift is/was, nor did I care then nor do I care now. But I found the constant panning to her annoying and irritating as it detracted from the game. My kids try to explain what the hype is about but I don't care. And because of this, I have zero interest in even finding out about the type of music she does (chances are I won't like it anyway).
This reminds me a bit of when Crosby first came on the scene. Was he overhyped? Sid and Kid and constant coverage? Yes. But moreso was what I felt was his whiny nature at first, always crying to the refs, and in many cases, he seemed to be given a double standard by the officials and by extension, the league. No one likes double standards.
BUT...all these years later, watching Crosby work his tail off, consistently good performance and team contribution and now as he is aging, he is mentoring younger players...he has always kept his nose clean and continues to perform at an elite level. After all those initial years of hating the guy, I now have five jerseys of his and appreciate his contribution to the game and root for him when the Penguins play. Yes, the hype machine and the media coverage has since shifted to the McDavids, Matthews, and now Bedard, and I am sure that absent this, it is easier to just appreciate the player for what he does rather than what the media tries to portray.
I think with McDavid he is hyped a lot, but honestly, he has lived up to his billing as the most elite and complete hockey player in this generation. I remember when I was a kid, how much hate Wayne Gretzky had. Part of it were diehard fans of the stars that came before him, but there is also a part which is just human nature that seems to not want to see certain people succeed and be celebrated. Call it jealously, or whatever, but I think it's just the fact that people would rather be given the choice of making their minds up about a player, rather be force fed a narrative about that player from the media, who is more than complicit in over-marketing or over hyping a particular player at the risk of irritating some fans.
I think much of the "hatred" is not necessarily directed at the player McDavid per se, but the marketing machine that has provided incessant, preferential coverage of him. Some fans may feel that this is to the detriment of other players that should receive similar billing.
It is not unlike during the Super Bowl (I am not a football fan but my parents had it on when we had a combined birthday party family event during that weekend), and I was watching the game and was annoyed that they kept panning to this woman in the booth / box seats. Now, you may not believe this but I had no idea who Taylor Swift is/was, nor did I care then nor do I care now. But I found the constant panning to her annoying and irritating as it detracted from the game. My kids try to explain what the hype is about but I don't care. And because of this, I have zero interest in even finding out about the type of music she does (chances are I won't like it anyway).
This reminds me a bit of when Crosby first came on the scene. Was he overhyped? Sid and Kid and constant coverage? Yes. But moreso was what I felt was his whiny nature at first, always crying to the refs, and in many cases, he seemed to be given a double standard by the officials and by extension, the league. No one likes double standards.
BUT...all these years later, watching Crosby work his tail off, consistently good performance and team contribution and now as he is aging, he is mentoring younger players...he has always kept his nose clean and continues to perform at an elite level. After all those initial years of hating the guy, I now have five jerseys of his and appreciate his contribution to the game and root for him when the Penguins play. Yes, the hype machine and the media coverage has since shifted to the McDavids, Matthews, and now Bedard, and I am sure that absent this, it is easier to just appreciate the player for what he does rather than what the media tries to portray.
I think with McDavid he is hyped a lot, but honestly, he has lived up to his billing as the most elite and complete hockey player in this generation. I remember when I was a kid, how much hate Wayne Gretzky had. Part of it were diehard fans of the stars that came before him, but there is also a part which is just human nature that seems to not want to see certain people succeed and be celebrated. Call it jealously, or whatever, but I think it's just the fact that people would rather be given the choice of making their minds up about a player, rather be force fed a narrative about that player from the media, who is more than complicit in over-marketing or over hyping a particular player at the risk of irritating some fans.
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personally speaking McDavid is pretty much the only super hyped up Hockey player where it HASN'T soured me on him because he's the only one where the reality of his play actually matches the hype
usually when a player gets a lot of hype there's a bunch of excuses or what-ifs or talk of "intangibles" but McDavid is actually that good
it's refreshing and makes it feel genuine in a way that even the hype for someone like Crosby never did
usually when a player gets a lot of hype there's a bunch of excuses or what-ifs or talk of "intangibles" but McDavid is actually that good
it's refreshing and makes it feel genuine in a way that even the hype for someone like Crosby never did
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tarheelhockey
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The things he’s referring to absolutely were infractions, they just weren’t called. Stars have always dealt with this nonsense. I don’t need to tell you what Bobby Orr dealt with.
The NBA has an ingrained culture that the superstars get all the cheap calls. In the NHL it’s the opposite culture. Stars are expected to deal with predatory crap game in and game out. It’s a big part of why almost every NHL superstar has had major injury problems by mid-career.
Why was Graves suspended for the rest of the series then?
Per the NHLPA 2023-2024 player poll: Who is the most complete player?-
Sidney Crosby continues to check all the boxes for fellow NHLPA members as the most complete player. The Pittsburgh Penguins captain takes the category yet again – marking the fifth consecutive season he has outright won or tied atop the category – this time with 226 votes to increase his hold by 48 votes (8.27%) since last season.
He came in second to McDavid on this poll question:
If you need to win one game, who is the forward you want on your team?
Not bad for a guy who just wrapped his 19th season.But you're spot on, Sid sure is lacking in the individual achievement/trophy department:
three Stanley Cups (2009, 2016, 2017)
two Conn Smythe Trophies (2016, 2017)
three Ted Lindsay Awards (2007, 2013, 2014)
two Hart Memorial Trophies (2007, 2014)
two Art Ross Trophies (2007, 2014)
two Maurice Richard Trophies (2010, 2017)
Mark Messier Leadership award (2010)
Lou Marsh Trophy as Canada’s Athlete of the Year in 2009.
Member of the Triple Gold Club (Gold medal in Olympics, World Championships, Stanley Cup Champion) and ONLY club member to have captained all three teams.
Like you said, this is all make believe and embellishment. Obviously an international conspiracy. Video Nasty and his ledger of +/- points is all that really matters.
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It's not pure envy, you sound defensive.
It might have something to do with media, game broadcasts and commercials shoving a certain player in your face everytime you tune in to something hockey related even if that player or his team has nothing to do with that day's news cycle. There's a saturation point for some fans which Crosby surpassed by like his third year in the league. Hate toward Crosby was much worse than it is for McDavid.
I can't speak for others, but I like McDavid and enjoy wat hing him play. Maybe it's because he is in Canada and out west, but I don't think the hockey media (that I have regular access to) is hyping him non-stop as they did Crosby. Thank goodness for that. Hopefully the existance of McDavid will keep the Bedard hype train at a reasonable place, because that got off to an obnoxiously loud start.
Video Nasty
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No one cares about the bolded. If he had more hardware, you wouldn’t feel the need to add them.
Here, let me add another while we’re at it:
Witch Weekly’s Most Charming Smile Award (5 times).
karltonian
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All it does it remind every other team in the league that the team that had Gretzky also somehow ended up with McDavid.
Have you perhaps thought of why they do it?
Hint: It’s not meant for people like you or I who will watch regardless..
Cancuks
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McDavid lacks personality and hasn't represented Canada at the Olympics so I can see why many Canadians don't like or identify with him in the way they do with Gretzky or Lemieux. The Oilers were also gifted him and three other straight first overalls by the league and that doesn't sit right with many fans of other teams that have had zero luck with the draft. To me he also seems more about scoring records than winning. Maybe I'll be proven wrong this season but it would be ironic if he breaks another Gretzky record and the Oilers lose in 7.
RiverbottomChuck
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I’ve been annoyed by the constant McDavid praise in the past, he currently deserves all the talk he is getting though. We are witnessing something no one thought would be replicated in the cap era. I want the cats to win the cup but it will be difficult to be upset if McDavid pulls it off.
Nut Upstrom
You dirty dog!
Thanks for the hint. Totally endears that player to me now and in no way makes him easier to dislike.
Envy for the best ......quite commonSadly, that would require not being a mod.
McDavid is not my kind of player anyway, just like Crosby wasn't.
Arthur Morgan
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its the team hes on, same reason why Matthews is hated as much as he is. some fans just dont like certain teams and have a hard time giving them credit.
McDavid is beyond insane. the only thing I really argue about him if him automatically being placed above one or two of Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Howe. or atleast being the 5th all time. its just too early in his career to put him there. imo
McDavid is beyond insane. the only thing I really argue about him if him automatically being placed above one or two of Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Howe. or atleast being the 5th all time. its just too early in his career to put him there. imo
I think the reason some fans complain McDavid doesn't get enough love is the same reason some fans don't give him love. Do you think McDavid is concerned? Probably not, he seems over all the attention. It is just for the fans.
Sports are weird; fans get loads of personal validation from having their teams do well, and competing fanbases don't want to give other fans the validation they are thirsting for. After all, all us fans are just bystanders and really we just sit on our asses and watch lol. As invested as we might be, none of us earned anything. We don't like admitting to our own delusions, but it is easy to see in other fanbases.
I don't think it is really envy. People are happy to give validation to the hardworking, talented players, but I think rightfully people feel the fans don't deserve to own the players' accomplishments. If I could praise McDavid without stroking off a bunch of Oilers fans in the process, I would do it, but it just doesn't work that way lol. And in no way am I slighting Oilers fans, it's the same with all fanbases. The Vancouver fanbase of which I am a part is probably worse.
I would tell McDavid fans to just enjoy it and stop worrying about what other fanbases are thinking. When McDavid hangs them up he'll be right where he should be in the pantheon of hockey greats.
Sports are weird; fans get loads of personal validation from having their teams do well, and competing fanbases don't want to give other fans the validation they are thirsting for. After all, all us fans are just bystanders and really we just sit on our asses and watch lol. As invested as we might be, none of us earned anything. We don't like admitting to our own delusions, but it is easy to see in other fanbases.
I don't think it is really envy. People are happy to give validation to the hardworking, talented players, but I think rightfully people feel the fans don't deserve to own the players' accomplishments. If I could praise McDavid without stroking off a bunch of Oilers fans in the process, I would do it, but it just doesn't work that way lol. And in no way am I slighting Oilers fans, it's the same with all fanbases. The Vancouver fanbase of which I am a part is probably worse.
I would tell McDavid fans to just enjoy it and stop worrying about what other fanbases are thinking. When McDavid hangs them up he'll be right where he should be in the pantheon of hockey greats.
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McDavid has already played roughly as many games as Bobby Orr did.
Unless he becomes utterly useless from here on out - like Bobby Orr was - then it's pretty much zero chance he isn't above Orr all time. Not on any rational basis anyway.
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Orr was a Dman and many including my Dad view him as The Great One over Gretzky. so I guess depending who you talk to but likely not passing Orr on the All-Time list anytime soon
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