diceman934
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Dubas screwed up in paying Mathews far to much when looking at term. Now you expect him to not pay his best player. If I was Dubas I would have offered 8.5m last off season. This is going to cost us.
Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion Part IV
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So, teams are going to ignore the players below and just offer sheet Marner, says the leaf media and the sheep follow? 
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Tavares although he had a point total career year did not actually increase much over the past couple of years. He actually had a higher PPG season in the past.
Marner on the other hand blew up with Tavares.
Both are great players. I think Marner is worth about 9.5-10.5 long term. If that doesn’t happen and he wants to play hard ball and negotiate dirty you have to move him.
Marner on the other hand blew up with Tavares.
Both are great players. I think Marner is worth about 9.5-10.5 long term. If that doesn’t happen and he wants to play hard ball and negotiate dirty you have to move him.
diceman934
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Did Connor out score Mathews?
He rode no ones coat tails but his own. Lead the team in scoring two straight years
diceman934
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Marner continued at the same pace that he ended the previous season at. He never blew up.
Nithoniniel
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Marner had 21 points this year on the PP. His previous years had him with 25 and 20. Math makes that almost the same, not Nylander or his fans. It's also simple math that disagrees with your claim that he would hit 100 if he produced the same on the PP.
But sure, you're the voice of reason and logic here.
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Maybe he did? Maybe he did not. However if Marner is looking at the fact that he's playing with Tavares (or Matthews) for the upcoming year instead of Bozak and would have likely played well enough to at least earn that next offseason, if not completely eclipse it, why would Marner do that? It's not like Dubas can just decide he wanted to sign his big RFA's last offseason and they would have done it (at least at a reasonable number). They are not stupid.
I doubt we see high end RFA's sign early anymore, unless a team was just willing to open the vault right away. I mean if the Leafs were willing to give Marner 11+ mill last year I am sure he would have taken it. It just does not make sense from their standpoint, because unless they have no confidence in their abilities or think the team is going to fall off of a cliff, he's going to think that he will progress and have a larger body of work to use in negotiations.
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I think the cut off is that 10.5 and change number when he gets 4 1st round picks. On an 8 year deal, you could go up to that number and be comfortable with it. It's more of an overpayment than Matthews, but you can justify it especially if he gives up that term.
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Even if the cap reaches 83 million this year, more than 10.5 pretty much takes them out of contention for at least 2 yrs, unless there is major shake up with the roster or the rookie defencemen are somehow much better than advertised.
After 2 yrs Rielly is FA and they’ll also need a goalie.
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The league changed. RFA players are paid as UFA but don't offer the same PO experience as UFA in mid 20s to early 30s. If it about winning, do you pay top dollars to guys to find themselves or extract their inflated values in trade and rebuild support around cheaper cost previously signed UFA types? To me this is a logic choice. I accept the change and would move one or two of my star kids who will now be paid top dollars, push for Duchene, pocket the proceeds and keep developing. Always front load and max bonus the contracts, because after July 1st your asset becomes more valuable to a team playing under the cap. There is also no rush, you can do all this and keep the big 3 for 2.9 yrs while that bonus keeps knocking down the $ owed in term.
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So, teams are going to ignore the players below and just offer sheet Marner, says the leaf media and the sheep follow?
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Tkachuk
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Boeser
Laine
Trouba
Werenski
No. They won’t ignore them at all . In fact , that looks a lot like the list the media have been discussing all year.
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You’d move both Matthews and Marner? I wouldn’t want to move either of them.
I’d look to move a Nylander or Kadri.
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Yep, I said that in another thread. Nylander and Kadri and try and get Duchene or EK. If they have big contract issues with Marner it may be him or Matthews but something has to give at some point. Duchene free and whatever the return is for said players would set us up for a Championship team for sure. It's bold but has to be done at this point.
ULF_55
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Over the past 2 seasons:
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1.05 Matthews
0.99 Marner
I'll give durability to Marner any day, he knows how to avoid putting himself into one-on-one battles that he can't win.
the last ditch effort to appear right in this thread appears to be calling someone else "nylander lover" or "Nylander fanboy". It has got to the point where I just laugh now.
ULF_55
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Exactly.
They can love the game and love the money equally.
If some think Marner is more about the team than the compensation their naivety is being confronted.
lets hope Matthews can stay healthy and put this marner "best leaf narrative" to bed. If he plays a full season I have no doubt points will be similar but goals will be crazy high for Matthews (already are).
25g 75A Winger < 40g 50A Centre
BlueBaron
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You should actually watch him some time.
The talent gap between Matthews/Marner/Tavares is paper thin.
ULF_55
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Something like:
Matthews for Schiefele and Trouba would be interesting (pluses and minuses to obscure the deal.)
Then the Jets could claim to have won the draft that year.
Nylander's contract isn't an issue, players making too much of the cap are roadblocks.
ULF_55
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That is likely true, the talent difference between many players is paper thin.
You could say the same thing about Gardiner and Rielly.
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Something has to give.
Although Im extremely nervous about Matthews’ desire to win, I wouldnt give up on him right now.
Same with Nylander, although I think he’s the logical choice to move.
If Marner wants too much money on a short term contract, then he might have to go too.
I bet Boston has no trouble signing McAvoy. And I think he’s a more valuable player than Marner.
BlueBaron
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Yes, what separates those two is between the ears, not physical. One player is not like the others. Gardiner is the only one you cannot argue is top 10 in his position.
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Yep, doubt the would give up the Scheifs contract though, it's pretty nice. If we did land Duchene we could certainly pursue Doughty with the proceeds of whomever we move on from. The way this Marner stuff is going on, I think he is the casualty tbh, it seems like there is some bad blood there with the Organization. Point being, we have an opportunity here to restructure a little and take a really good team and make it very well rounded and great.
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