Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[Gil Fisher]

Got it - I'm not in the dressing room so I don't know what the relationships actually are

I don't know what it's like in the room, but the guys have gotta be sick of Scheifele taking 5+ minutes to look for each ball in the fescue out at Southwood. I know I've been quite appalled by it.

 

[surixon]

I've always thought there are 3 groups.

The big 3 who ran the show: Mo, Scheif, Wheeler

The guys caught in the middle: Morrissey, Lowry, Copp (when he was here), Stats, Schmidt, Pionk, DeMelo

The guys who fight with the big 3 for icetime and accountability: Connor, Ehlers, Dubois, Appleton, Rosie (when he was here), Perreault (when he was here), Laine (when he was here).

I also think that the rift was more with the forward core than it was ever with the defensive core and I think Chevy sided mostly with the young guys.

I would add Conner to the second group but otherwise I agree.

I think things are now:

Wheeler and Scheifele

JoMo, Lowry, Stats, Conner, Dubois, Pionk, Schmidt, DeMelo, Dillion


Any wonder why the later group also started seizing power from the Blake and Mark the moment Moe left. They also look to be far more accommodating to the young guys. Dubois/Conner really took Perfetti under their wing, Pionk with Dylan and Dillion/Schmidt with Heinola.

I fully expect that with a coach that backs the young core group that the room will be much better and more inclusive next season. I don't believe either Mark and Blake will have much influence next year if they are still here.

 

[ps241]

I’m not sure Blake would be a fan of the shit Scheifele pulled this season. He was sitting right there beside is good buddy Stastny when Paul went off on Mark. For now I assume Scheifele is alone on an island. That part was there for the world to see. I can’t really comment on where Blake is at right now, who really knows? He has been paid very well by the Jets and say what you will about his moodiness, he and his family have been all in on this market. Watching Maurice and Schiefele quit this season would have been devastating for the captain.

My guess is Blake will be doing some soul searching this off season. I have no idea where this all leads.

 

[voyageur]

I’m not sure Blake would be a fan of the shit Scheifele pulled this season. He was sitting right there beside is good buddy Stastny when Paul went off on Mark. For now I assume Scheifele is alone on an island. That part was there for the world to see. I can’t really comment on where Blake is at right now, who really knows? He has been paid very well by the Jets and say what you will about his moodiness, he and his family have been all in on this market. Watching Maurice and Schiefele quit this season would have been devastating for the captain.

My guess is Blake will be doing some soul searching this off season. I have no idea where this all leads.

For two guys that couldn't be separated, and weren't for the longest time, it has to be hard to put up unacceptable results.

I don't think there was anything festering until the coaching change. Scheifele is one of the old guard who definitely wasn't in Lowry's camp. The comment after losing every game on the crucial 4 game road trip around the Covid shutdown, where he stated that he didn't know the team's identity, was for me a shot at Lowry. I don't know how deep the dissention was at the coaching change, which didn't bring about any significant improvement, unlike Vancouver and Edmonton, but it must have made for some divisions. You've got to think another leader, Adam Lowry, was behind his dad all the way.

What I can picture is Andrew Copp, who is probably the guy closest to Scheif on the team, getting messages from his buddy Trouba in New York, saying look at us, that's a winning team, and then Copper joins it. Scheifele knows he's on a sinking ship, and losing his status with Dubois getting all the ice time with the team's top sniper, and maybe he's feeling like it's time to change the scenery. Winnipeg has never been a place for two #1 centres. For Stastny he's the consummate pro. He learned from a guy who was smuggled in the trunk of a car out of Czechoslovakia into North American hockey, I think he's a different kind of leader. One who makes people around him better.

I don't know what difference a coaching change will make on player's attitudes, but I think Scheifele wants to win, and the window here was closed when Buff, Trouba, Myers, Chiarot and Tanev left. It reopened in the Canadian division last year, but Scheif got shut down, by the league that wanted Montreal to win. If you genuinely feel you have no chance to win where you are, and you feel like you have the game of a winner, I think the end is going to be Scheifele moving on.

Wheeler's probably here for the long haul, and still respected in the room. He's the family guy, who leads the Jets family.

That's my take.

 

[ps241]

For two guys that couldn't be separated, and weren't for the longest time, it has to be hard to put up unacceptable results.

I don't think there was anything festering until the coaching change. Scheifele is one of the old guard who definitely wasn't in Lowry's camp. The comment after losing every game on the crucial 4 game road trip around the Covid shutdown, where he stated that he didn't know the team's identity, was for me a shot at Lowry. I don't know how deep the dissention was at the coaching change, which didn't bring about any significant improvement, unlike Vancouver and Edmonton, but it must have made for some divisions. You've got to think another leader, Adam Lowry, was behind his dad all the way.

What I can picture is Andrew Copp, who is probably the guy closest to Scheif on the team, getting messages from his buddy Trouba in New York, saying look at us, that's a winning team, and then Copper joins it. Scheifele knows he's on a sinking ship, and losing his status with Dubois getting all the ice time with the team's top sniper, and maybe he's feeling like it's time to change the scenery. Winnipeg has never been a place for two #1 centres. For Stastny he's the consummate pro. He learned from a guy who was smuggled in the trunk of a car out of Czechoslovakia into North American hockey, I think he's a different kind of leader. One who makes people around him better.

I don't know what difference a coaching change will make on player's attitudes, but I think Scheifele wants to win, and the window here was closed when Buff, Trouba, Myers, Chiarot and Tanev left. It reopened in the Canadian division last year, but Scheif got shut down, by the league that wanted Montreal to win. If you genuinely feel you have no chance to win where you are, and you feel like you have the game of a winner, I think the end is going to be Scheifele moving on.

Wheeler's probably here for the long haul, and still respected in the room. He's the family guy, who leads the Jets family.

That's my take.

Yea I am trying to piece it together myself.

Keep in mind I had been over served but I was at the game right before Maurice quit I think it was Buffalo at home in mid December and I turned to my buddy at the game and said “Scheifele is playing to get his coach fired”. I then came on HFBoards and posted maybe in the PGT “for the first time since he was hired I think Maurice is in danger of getting fired“ and that was based on what I saw from Scheifele. It ended up Maurice took a few days and then quit. I have only commented that way one other time when I was live and in person and saw the Jets quit on Noel vs Columbus at home.

I would have to go back and look at my posts but I wouldn’t be suprised if Mark was pretty checked out from the start of this season.

Who knows though, my mind is less awesome than it use to be but I remember the Buffalo well because my friend that I was at the game with texted me when Maurice quit and reminded me of my statement of clairvoyance at the Sabers game lol

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Trotz is gonna make ScheifMe cry in that room.

 

[voyageur]

Yea I am trying to piece it together myself.

Keep in mind I had been over served but I was at the game right before Maurice quit I think it was Buffalo at home in mid December and I turned to my buddy at the game and said “Scheifele is playing to get his coach fired”. I then came on HFBoards and posted maybe in the PGT “for the first time since he was hired I think Maurice is in danger of getting fired“ and that was based on what I saw from Scheifele. It ended up Maurice took a few days and then quit. I have only commented that way one other time when I was live and in person and saw the Jets quit on Noel vs Columbus at home.

I would have to go back and look at my posts but I wouldn’t be suprised if Mark was pretty checked out from the start of this season.

Who knows though, my mind is less awesome than it use to be but I remember the Buffalo well because my friend that I was at the game with texted me when Maurice quit and reminded me of my statement of clairvoyance at the Sabers game lol

You have an understanding of this team that is among the best.

It was definitely the Buffalo game that was the end. I can't remember Scheifele's play that game. It's just such a quick turn of events. Struggling to score against the worst teams in the league.

The tears in the eyes for Maurice in the home opener said something to me. That change was a coming.

Maybe you are right about Scheifele being checked out from the beginning, but then the winning streak the Jets got on, before losing in Edmonton, it really seemed like the team was still dialed in to Maurice. Losing Kompon I think took a toll on the coach in terms of special teams, and having another set of eyes that are dialed in.

I've often wondered if the decision to play Connor with Dubois from the beginning of the season came from management and not Maurice, because Paul was reluctant to replace 81-55-26 as his go to line. Then you have Copp getting consistent top 6 ice time, was it to keep Scheifele happy or increase Copp's trade value? I think this year more than any other in history Maurice didn't have control of his lineup, because of outside factors.

I'm not sure there's a clear line in where Scheifele fell off, so perhaps it was a leftover from last season. Or starting the season with a suspension and Covid.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yea I am trying to piece it together myself.

Keep in mind I had been over served but I was at the game right before Maurice quit I think it was Buffalo at home in mid December and I turned to my buddy at the game and said “Scheifele is playing to get his coach fired”. I then came on HFBoards and posted maybe in the PGT “for the first time since he was hired I think Maurice is in danger of getting fired“ and that was based on what I saw from Scheifele. It ended up Maurice took a few days and then quit. I have only commented that way one other time when I was live and in person and saw the Jets quit on Noel vs Columbus at home.

I would have to go back and look at my posts but I wouldn’t be suprised if Mark was pretty checked out from the start of this season.

Who knows though, my mind is less awesome than it use to be but I remember the Buffalo well because my friend that I was at the game with texted me when Maurice quit and reminded me of my statement of clairvoyance at the Sabers game lol

I had a similar thought around that same time. Not sure it was that exact game. I thought that some of the players, Scheifele in particular, were 'playing to get the coach fired'. But I dismissed it because Maurice was the 'player's coach' who they all loved. Scheifele in particular was given everything he wanted by that coach. So I theorized that what I was seeing was the lingering effects of Covid instead.

I'm still having a little trouble integrating the coach quitting. Did he really quit? Or was he allowed to quit instead of being fired? What about the since reported conversation with Chevy about having lost his enthusiasm for the job? Did he see that he was in the process of losing the room and quit before that led to him being fired?

Maybe if he had completely lost the room and been fired Lowry would have gotten the benefit of the new coach bounce. What happened after the coaching change? Was Lowry really that bad? Or did the team never give him the chance?

Crazy bad year. It seemed like the players never took the collective look in the mirror, never decided to be better as a group.

 

[ps241]

I had a similar thought around that same time. Not sure it was that exact game. I thought that some of the players, Scheifele in particular, were 'playing to get the coach fired'. But I dismissed it because Maurice was the 'player's coach' who they all loved. Scheifele in particular was given everything he wanted by that coach. So I theorized that what I was seeing was the lingering effects of Covid instead.

I'm still having a little trouble integrating the coach quitting. Did he really quit? Or was he allowed to quit instead of being fired? What about the since reported conversation with Chevy about having lost his enthusiasm for the job? Did he see that he was in the process of losing the room and quit before that led to him being fired?

Maybe if he had completely lost the room and been fired Lowry would have gotten the benefit of the new coach bounce. What happened after the coaching change? Was Lowry really that bad? Or did the team never give him the chance?

Crazy bad year. It seemed like the players never took the collective look in the mirror, never decided to be better as a group.

Yea was he pushed, did he jump, maybe a combination

I was trying to quote the article on NHL.com from December 18th where Paul was quoted saying he had lost some mojo the season before with the empty rink. He said he Mark and Kevin had talks in the summer about how he was feeling and if he was the right guy to move the team forward. He also said he wasn’t giving the team what they needed last season and he knew they needed a new voice which was accurate. Now he said he didn’t lose the room but he knew they weren‘t responding to him so that sounds a bit tweener.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Yea was he pushed, did he jump, maybe a combination

I was trying to quote the article on NHL.com from December 18th where Paul was quoted saying he had lost some mojo the season before with the empty rink. He said he Mark and Kevin had talks in the summer about how he was feeling and if he was the right guy to move the team forward. He also said he wasn’t giving the team what they needed last season and he knew they needed a new voice which was accurate. Now he said he didn’t lose the room but he knew they weren‘t responding to him so that sounds a bit tweener.

The empty rink was probably a good thing when you look back at the season ending losing streak...

 

[Teemusalami204]

I have no problem with sheif having a problem with how the jets organization is being ran. He feels like we won’t win a cup here and that’s understandable.

The problem is he doesn’t give his 100 percent. Not trying and then complaining is just plain sulking.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

It amazes me what other teams think we'll trade Schiefele for table scraps.

Bruins & Jets Could Produce 2022 Offseason Blockbuster

The Boston Bruins and Winnipeg Jets have the potential to produce a blockbuster for the ages during the 2022 offseason.

thehockeywriters.com

I'll sum up: DeBrusk + LHD I'm not familiar with, with maybe Forbort thrown in. I didn't read the rest

This offseason is boring so far ...

 

[10Ducky10]

Have to pay me to take Forbort.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I'm down with debrusk and studnicka

 

[Daximus]

Dorion said yesterday that the Sens may be looking to trade their 7th overall for an established player that could come and be a leader and help them start transitioning into competing. It may not be Toronto but Ottawa is pretty close to home for Scheif.

If we absolutely have to trade him 7th overall is a nice baseline to start at. They have a lot of interesting players on that lineup that we could try and pry out of there. Norris, Batherson, Formenton, Joseph, White, Zub, Brannstrom, Sokolov, Greig, Thomson, Bernard-Docker, Gustavsson, Sogaard, Johansson,

Pretty big list of established younger players with some potential and prospects in there. Maybe Chevy can work some magic there if we have to deal Mark this summer.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Dorion said yesterday that the Sens may be looking to trade their 7th overall for an established player that could come and be a leader and help them start transitioning into competing. It may not be Toronto but Ottawa is pretty close to home for Scheif.

If we absolutely have to trade him 7th overall is a nice baseline to start at. They have a lot of interesting players on that lineup that we could try and pry out of there. Norris, Batherson, Formenton, Joseph, White, Zub, Brannstrom, Sokolov, Greig, Thomson, Bernard-Docker, Gustavsson, Sogaard, Johansson,

Pretty big list of established younger players with some potential and prospects in there. Maybe Chevy can work some magic there if we have to deal Mark this summer.

When I heard that Ottawa might move their 7OA pick, I thought about moving Schiefele as well.

I don't know if the Jets would consider moving him for futures, but I would do it at the draft if one of the RHD was still on the board.

 

[Daximus]

When I heard that Ottawa might move their 7OA pick, I thought about moving Schiefele as well.

I don't know if the Jets would consider moving him for futures, but I would do it at the draft if one of the RHD was still on the board.

I think the 7th OA is a nice baseline but I'm more interested in nabbing one of the other guys in their top 6. Norris, Batherson or Formenton and the like would be a solid pickup. But having 7th and 14th does give us some options at the draft. Good chance Savoie is there at 7.

 

[Huffer]

It amazes me what other teams think we'll trade Schiefele for table scraps.

Bruins & Jets Could Produce 2022 Offseason Blockbuster

The Boston Bruins and Winnipeg Jets have the potential to produce a blockbuster for the ages during the 2022 offseason.

thehockeywriters.com

I'll sum up: DeBrusk + LHD I'm not familiar with, with maybe Forbort thrown in. I didn't read the rest

This offseason is boring so far ...

It's easy to tell that this Boston blogger doesn't really care about what makes sense for the Jets.

"When looking at the Bruins’ current roster, it’s hard not to view Jake DeBrusk as a player who could head the other way. Although he ended the season amazingly, he still hasn’t taken back his trade request. Thus, using him in a package for Scheifele could make sense. With that, the Bruins could also part ways with one of their surplus of left-handed defensemen. Although often criticized, Matt Grzelcyk has proven he can play top-four minutes, so perhaps the Jets would target him. Other potential fits include Mike Reilly and Derek Forbort."

They name Debrusk because it makes sense for them. They mention Grzelcyk because it makes sense for them because they have a surplus of LHD.

Guess the Bruins writer didn't do 2 seconds of research to see if a LHD was an attractive piece for the Jets.

 

[surixon]

It's easy to tell that this Boston blogger doesn't really care about what makes sense for the Jets.

"When looking at the Bruins’ current roster, it’s hard not to view Jake DeBrusk as a player who could head the other way. Although he ended the season amazingly, he still hasn’t taken back his trade request. Thus, using him in a package for Scheifele could make sense. With that, the Bruins could also part ways with one of their surplus of left-handed defensemen. Although often criticized, Matt Grzelcyk has proven he can play top-four minutes, so perhaps the Jets would target him. Other potential fits include Mike Reilly and Derek Forbort."

They name Debrusk because it makes sense for them. They mention Grzelcyk because it makes sense for them because they have a surplus of LHD.

Guess the Bruins writer didn't do 2 seconds of research to see if a LHD was an attractive piece for the Jets.

Yup, Boston doesn't have the pieces to land Mark unless they put MaCovoy on the table and that isn't happening.

 

[Huffer]

I think the 7th OA is a nice baseline but I'm more interested in nabbing one of the other guys in their top 6. Norris, Batherson or Formenton and the like would be a solid pickup. But having 7th and 14th does give us some options at the draft. Good chance Savoie is there at 7.

I have thought that as well. No point in posting in that thread though because Scheifele is now the HF whipping boy, and I don't think there would be an agreement on an add.

I don't think the Jets would get Norris. That's too much IMO. I do wonder about a 7th + Pinto package though. Pinto doesn't have a lot of NHL experience yet but I think targets as a middle 6 C long term.

 

[TS Quint]

For two guys that couldn't be separated, and weren't for the longest time, it has to be hard to put up unacceptable results.

I don't think there was anything festering until the coaching change. Scheifele is one of the old guard who definitely wasn't in Lowry's camp. The comment after losing every game on the crucial 4 game road trip around the Covid shutdown, where he stated that he didn't know the team's identity, was for me a shot at Lowry. I don't know how deep the dissention was at the coaching change, which didn't bring about any significant improvement, unlike Vancouver and Edmonton, but it must have made for some divisions. You've got to think another leader, Adam Lowry, was behind his dad all the way.

What I can picture is Andrew Copp, who is probably the guy closest to Scheif on the team, getting messages from his buddy Trouba in New York, saying look at us, that's a winning team, and then Copper joins it. Scheifele knows he's on a sinking ship, and losing his status with Dubois getting all the ice time with the team's top sniper, and maybe he's feeling like it's time to change the scenery. Winnipeg has never been a place for two #1 centres. For Stastny he's the consummate pro. He learned from a guy who was smuggled in the trunk of a car out of Czechoslovakia into North American hockey, I think he's a different kind of leader. One who makes people around him better.

I don't know what difference a coaching change will make on player's attitudes, but I think Scheifele wants to win, and the window here was closed when Buff, Trouba, Myers, Chiarot and Tanev left. It reopened in the Canadian division last year, but Scheif got shut down, by the league that wanted Montreal to win. If you genuinely feel you have no chance to win where you are, and you feel like you have the game of a winner, I think the end is going to be Scheifele moving on.

Wheeler's probably here for the long haul, and still respected in the room. He's the family guy, who leads the Jets family.

That's my take.

I don’t know how on board Adam was with his old man. Adam came out in a post game and said the players didn’t know what they were supposed to be doing on the ice. That’s a pretty big slap in daddy’s face.

Copp might have been close to Scheifele but Copp did come out after Maurice quit and said he hoped players would be held accountable with a new coach. From what we are piecing together now it seems like he may have been talking about Scheifele and others.

 

[surixon]

I have thought that as well. No point in posting in that thread though because Scheifele is now the HF whipping boy, and I don't think there would be an agreement on an add.

I don't think the Jets would get Norris. That's too much IMO. I do wonder about a 7th + Pinto package though. Pinto doesn't have a lot of NHL experience yet but I think targets as a middle 6 C long term.

I'd want the 7th and Batherson from Ottawa. Gives us a big top 6 RW to take Blake's spot and gives us a marquee pick to get a Nemec, Savoie, Jirachek pick.

I don’t know how on board Adam was with his old man. Adam came out in a post game and said the players didn’t know what they were supposed to be doing on the ice. That’s a pretty big slap in daddy’s face.

Adam flat out said it was awkward having his dad as the coach. It wasn't a good thing for him.

 

[ps241]

I have thought that as well. No point in posting in that thread though because Scheifele is now the HF whipping boy, and I don't think there would be an agreement on an add.

I don't think the Jets would get Norris. That's too much IMO. I do wonder about a 7th + Pinto package though. Pinto doesn't have a lot of NHL experience yet but I think targets as a middle 6 C long term.

Scheifele would probably nix that deal since he does have some control. When it comes to any trading on HFBoards I can usually tolerate our own board but I am at peace with the fact trades don’t actually get consummated on HFBoards so I avoid that part of the fantasy camp.

 

[Heldig]

Yup, Boston doesn't have the pieces to land Mark unless they put MaCovoy on the table and that isn't happening.

What about Carlos +??

 

[surixon]

What about Carlos +??

So you want a second pairing defensive dmen to be the main piece back for a top end center?

We already have Carlo in DeMelo and I doubt anyone would think of DeMelo as the main piece back for him. Add in Samberg, Dillion and Stanley and we have more then enough defensive dmen.

They have nothing I want for Mark outside of a top pairing elite dmen in MaCovoy.