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10Ducky10 said:
Scheif to NJ for 2 overall?
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gojetsgo said:
why would jersey do this? they have hughes/hischier down the middle
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additionally, how often do top-3 picks get moved? it's seldom. and then consider there's no precedent trade of a C of similar impact that returns a top-3 pick. duchene was the closest being top-3 protected, but think teams learned from that huge mistake of a trade. more often than not, you're looking at packages similar to eichel/jt miller/ror for example.
 
Wonder if Vegas makes a HUGE trade that has us sending Scheifele and Hellebuyck both at 50% where we manage to get one large haul of assets for the future. I'm talking four first-rounders and second-rounders along with prospects and maybe one bad contract.
 
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DudeWhereIsMakar said:
Wonder if Vegas makes a HUGE trade that has us sending Scheifele and Hellebuyck both at 50% where we manage to get one large haul of assets for the future. I'm talking four first-rounders and second-rounders along with prospects and maybe one bad contract.
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Vegas has next to no future assets any longer. They have already traded moat away.
 
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DudeWhereIsMakar said:
Yeah, but what about for 4 1sts and 2nds from 2023-2026?
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if they have scheifele & helle they'd all be late picks id think. also, as long as Helle is content where he is (here in WPG), that pretty much deads any trade scenario. this team will try and compete as long as they have him at 6m i think.
 
Ggg99 said:
So here is one thing that Paul Maurice was much better at than Barry Trotz. Playing politics.

PoMo knew that catering to management's golden boys gave him job security - at the expense of all else it turns out.

Sounds like Trotz didn't do the same with Barzal.
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their fwd group is pretty brutal, playing more defensive oriented rather than a game of trading chances likely was their only way to win. and trotz did push that roster to over-perform taking on the TBL in two semi-finals match ups to 7 & 6 games. lets say he plays a game of trading chances..... kucherov/point/stamkos/hedman/killorn/gourde etc vs barzal/lee/bailey/eberle/nelson/beauvillier etc....think im taking TBL pretty handily.

i think we end up keeping scheifele ultimately and see how he responds under a new coach. to me, it's a question of does he have the will to play defense? vs does he have the talent/iq to play defense? we've seen him play at least average defensively for a brief 1-2 year stint. since then, and this is just my view, i feel like he doesn't care to play 2/3s of the ice. that 1-2 years stint is starting to become ages ago though.
 
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Mortimer Snerd said:
I didn't say it wasn't hindsight, just what should have been done.

That said, it is part hindsight, part what I thought at the time.

I wanted to go with our D prospects. When we got Dillon, I assumed that Samberg must not have been ready yet. So I was happy enough to get a big, physical Dman with a reasonable contract. I was dubious about getting Schmidt and his contract from the start.

I didn't really see it as about going for it, though clearly that would have been what Chevy was thinking. I thought our D prospects should and would have been the best way to "go for it". Spend that cap money somewhere else.

Water under the bridge. That wasn't the point of my post that you replied to. Just take it all as hindsight if you like. The point was that it SHOULD have been done differently and Chevy gets paid big money to get it right, not to be no better than the consensus here.
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I saw it as Chevy giving in to his coaches... the season before he said we won't be making changes and have to run with prospects and still mo didn't play heinola...
 
I think the Jets will keep Scheif this year and see if the new coach can change up the culture/motivation of this team and get Scheifele to commit to defense. They have this 2-3 year window to compete, and they'll probably want to go for it this year and then trade Scheifele in the offseason if they don't think they can re-sign him (and I hope they don't end up giving him a Wheeler legacy contract).

Personally I'd look to move him this offseason, but I can see Chevy waiting.
 
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MardyBum said:
I think the Jets will keep Scheif this year and see if the new coach can change up the culture/motivation of this team and get Scheifele to commit to defense. They have this 2-3 year window to compete, and they'll probably want to go for it this year and then trade Scheifele in the offseason if they don't think they can re-sign him (and I hope they don't end up giving him a Wheeler legacy contract).

Personally I'd look to move him this offseason, but I can see Chevy waiting.
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at the tdl teams a bit more cap flexibility, & you still get him for 2 PO runs. i think they hold on to him and see how he responds. if it's the same old, you move him at the 2023-tdl
 
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MardyBum said:
I think the Jets will keep Scheif this year and see if the new coach can change up the culture/motivation of this team and get Scheifele to commit to defense. They have this 2-3 year window to compete, and they'll probably want to go for it this year and then trade Scheifele in the offseason if they don't think they can re-sign him (and I hope they don't end up giving him a Wheeler legacy contract).

Personally I'd look to move him this offseason, but I can see Chevy waiting.
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Yea as time goes by from the 55 presser I am hedging towards thinking TNSE will take the path of least resistance and keep their dream alive that they might possibly be in some kind of a window (is dream the right word?). IMO we are not winning a cup with this iteration but they might want to see if they can squeak another playoff appearance out of it to appease the players. Its hard to say if Chevy will look at Scheifele through the Laine/Kane lens or not? If Mark actually isn’t asking to get out behind the scenes do they take a chance that he changes or are they comfortable with the risk of letting Mark continue to do things his way?

Chevy has tenure so its not like he has a gun to his head.
 
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ps241 said:
Yea as time goes by from the 55 presser I am hedging towards thinking TNSE will take the path of least resistance and keep their dream alive that they might possibly be in some kind of a window (is dream the right word?). IMO we are not winning a cup with this iteration but they might want to see if they can squeak another playoff appearance out of it to appease the players. Its hard to say if Chevy will look at Scheifele through the Laine/Kane lens or not? If Mark actually isn’t asking to get out behind the scenes do they take a chance that he changes or are they comfortable with the risk of letting Mark continue to do things his way?

Chevy has tenure so its not like he has a gun to his head.
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Schiefele to Toronto for Nylander and a pick. Maybe include Dillon in that trade as well.
 
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surixon said:
The chances of a one for one are slim imo. We'd need the perfect storm to happen again where a piece we need also wants out.
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Even with that perfect storm with PLD/Laine, we were forced to sweeten the pot with Roslovic. It was not a straight 1 for 1.

But the perfect storm for Scheifele doesn't need to be on that same template. It can be a team in need of C who can score that will give up a good player to get him. I'm still hoping for Pulock.
 
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DudeWhereIsMakar said:
Wonder if Vegas makes a HUGE trade that has us sending Scheifele and Hellebuyck both at 50% where we manage to get one large haul of assets for the future. I'm talking four first-rounders and second-rounders along with prospects and maybe one bad contract.
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IF the Jets were to trade BOTH Scheifele and Hellebucyk it certainly would not be in the same trade.
 
According to the sports shows I listen to on Youtube, they are all saying Scheifele will not be in the lineup this fall when training camp opens. On the Hustler show they were saying that Darren Dreger has said this, and he has lots of connections.

I think the Jets should take their time a bit, like Joe Sakic did with Drouin in Colorado, and he got a good return. The longer you wait ( not too long) the more the suspense builds, and the more he's talked about, and his value get's exaggerated, and you get a better return.

Because Scheifele is regarded as a problem, somewhat of a cancer in the dressing room, I can understand the Jets want him gone ASAP, and likely before training camp opens. That's probably best, as you'd be showing the players, that change is really happening.
 
GNP said:
According to the sports shows I listen to on Youtube, they are all saying Scheifele will not be in the lineup this fall when training camp opens. On the Hustler show they were saying that Darren Dreger has said this, and he has lots of connections.

I think the Jets should take their time a bit, like Joe Sakic did with Drouin in Colorado, and he got a good return. The longer you wait ( not too long) the more the suspense builds, and the more he's talked about, and his value get's exaggerated, and you get a better return.

Because Scheifele is regarded as a problem, somewhat of a cancer in the dressing room, I can understand the Jets want him gone ASAP, and likely before training camp opens. That's probably best, as you'd be showing the players, that change is really happening.
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He'll likely be gone around the draft. There should be plenty of suitors and we should get a very good haul.
 
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WolfHouse said:
Scheif are Timo Meier... San Jose might do it for a 1-2 punch at C to balance their offence...

Dillon to Buffalo for Cozens

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You don't think Couture/Hertl gives them a 1-2 punch at C?

It would take a lot more than Dillon to get Cozens. Dillon doesn't even start the conversation.
 
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