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Andy

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Habs land is beginning to be a bit unbearable. Every transaction is flooded by people who hate MB no matter what and reactionaries who defend MB at all costs, even towards fans with tamed optimism.

It's impossible to have a nuanced discussions. Transactions need to be good or bad. Anyone looking at a move from multiple perspectives gets attacked by both extremes. Take 417 for example. because he's more nuanced, his posts are attacked by haters of MB and defenders of MB. Depending on who is responding to him, he's both accused as a MB lover and hater.

It's a little ridiculous now.
 

Belial

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“We give the same tools to every player in our organization to reach their full potential. Some do, some don't…”

Couldn’t have summed up the Habs failures in player development for 2 decades any better than this statement

To think different players might require different tools is such a foreign concept. I mean children from the same parents under the same roof turn out the same all the time, no way they could need different support to reach their potential.
Wow man, you guys are just unbelievable.

KK in his rookie year put up 34 points playing with Lehkonen and Armia the entire year.

2 years pass and this year he mainly gets to play with Toffoli and Anderson and he does worse than his rookie year and it's somehow on the coaches and organization for his lack of progression?

Great...
 
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Estimated_Prophet

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What a load of BS. If Dundon wanted revenge he wouldn't go after a guy whose only ever been the 3rd line center and was ended the year a healthy scratch. They would go after someone Montreal actually values.

The reason they went for KK is precisely because MTL didn't appear to value him very much. If you see a player you think is going to be very good but his current team is treating as an after thought that's the guy you go after with an offer sheet. Going after a star player like Petterson is just a waste of everyones time because the team is always going to match when it's a star player.

If all they wanted to do was screw with MTL's cap, why didn't they respond to Aho's offersheet that very summer by handing out offersheets to Lehkonen and Armia? Could it be because they saw those guys as 3rd liners and therefore not valueable?

You are beyond delusional if you think that sending an OS last season is even comparable to a 21 year old 3rd overall pick.

Please don't bother me with your witch hunt for MB.....it is pathetic.
 

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Habs land is beginning to be a bit unbearable. Every transaction is flooded by people who hate MB no matter what and reactionaries who defend MB at all costs, even towards fans with tamed optimism.

It's impossible to have a nuanced discussions. Transactions need to be good or bad. Anyone looking at a move from multiple perspectives gets attacked by both extremes. Take 417 for example. because he's more nuanced, his posts are attacked by haters of MB and defenders of MB. Depending on who is responding to him, he's both accused as a MB lover and hater.

It's a little ridiculous now.


We live in a time of extreme polarization, very few people are interested in the effort or discipline it takes to manifest a nuanced opinion, it's like that with everything now.
 
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Frankenheimer

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Expecting? Sure...

Not prepared for the potential of them not matching?

Nah, no way.

Which ultimately means they were fully prepared to have the player at that salary.


Yes clearly...which to me indicated that the offer sheet compensation was the best offer the Canes were offering.

If in the back of your mind you know that you're going to send an OS, why would you offer more in a trade?

Doesn't add up to me.


Teams have 7 days to match...this isn't news to anyone.

As mentioned, the trade offer was not sincere. It was testing bergs valuation of kk to see if he would accept or not the compensation on an offer sheet. Seeing that he would not budge on a similar, though not identical, offer they figured there was no way he would not match the offer sheet and that they would have successfully embarrassed him and thrown a monkey wrench into his cap planning.
 
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OnTheRun

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Wow man, you guys are just unbelievable.

KK in his rookie year put up 34 points playing with Lehkonen and Armia the entire year.

2 years pass and this year he mainly gets to play with Toffoli and Anderson and he does worse than his rookie year and it's somehow on the coaches and organization for his lack of progression?

Great...

Don't distort what actually happened.
While it's true that Toffu/Anderson were the most common wingers in a rotating cast of ever changing wingers. KK only played 263 ES minutes with either Toffoli, Anderson or both as his wingers out of the 721 ES minutes he played last season. So for 64% of his ES time (IE: Most of the time) he was on the ice without either Toffoli or Anderson.
 

Frankenheimer

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You are beyond delusional if you think that sending an OS last season is even comparable to a 21 year old 3rd overall pick.

Please don't bother me with your witch hunt for MB.....it is pathetic.

Yes precisely. Picking off lekhonen would not only have tipped their hand but also embarrassed no one. And the compensation is peanuts so easily matched. It doesn’t present any form of dilemma that needs to be resolved.
 
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Don't distort what actually happened.
While it's true that Toffu/Anderson were the most common wingers in a rotating cast of ever changing wingers. KK only played 263 ES minutes with either Toffoli, Anderson or both as his wingers out of the 721 ES minutes he played last season. So for 64% of his ES time (IE: Most of the time) he was on the ice without either Toffoli or Anderson.
His next most used wingers were Armia and Perry!

You can try and spin this all day it won't change the fact that KK played with good wingers the entire season.
 

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Habs land is beginning to be a bit unbearable. Every transaction is flooded by people who hate MB no matter what and reactionaries who defend MB at all costs, even towards fans with tamed optimism.

It's impossible to have a nuanced discussions. Transactions need to be good or bad. Anyone looking at a move from multiple perspectives gets attacked by both extremes. Take 417 for example. because he's more nuanced, his posts are attacked by haters of MB and defenders of MB. Depending on who is responding to him, he's both accused as a MB lover and hater.

It's a little ridiculous now.

This board has been unreadable since pretty much last summer. I mostly avoid it these days outside of when something happen. You either love MB or you're not a real fan. Absolutely no way to have any discussion about what is going on atm.
 

dinodebino

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Ridiculous really, I don't even understand how this can bring joy into your life. Just shitting on your so-called loved team 24/7 and it somehow makes you feel better... I mean I hope it makes them feel better at least...

Cuz if it doesn't make you feel better and you're still doing that's f***ed up.

Loving your team, and I do and probably for longer than you, doesn't mean we have to agree with the way the team is run.

I'm of the school of thought that building a solid foundation needs a real rooted plan of developing organic talent. You cannot win by trading and buying players. That's how it's been since the foundation of the league, aside from 1 or 2 outlier teams a la 1994 Rags.

I won't delve into the glorious past of this team, even though all tradition-rich pro sports organisations do maintain a certain decorum proper to its roots (Packers, Man U, Steelers, Yanks, etc.).

Montreal (and it was shown here), is just not 'gifted' in drafting and developing home-grown talent. It just can't do it. Inexplicably.

See, Lou Lamoriello always said that he modeled his organisations on that of the Montreal Canadiens of old. Some younger posters here find Lou's method to be arcane, old-fashioned. Yet, I consider Lou to be the best GM in the league, and probably one of the top 5 in the history of the league. And players RESPECT his methods.

This is exactly what should happen to this organisation. Because that's in this organisation's DNA. Just like the Packers, the Steelers, the Yanks and others have theirs and abide by it through thick and thin.

Under this management team, all I see is improv. Good improv. Great reality TV, TBH. I mean, we ARE entertained. All the time. I have fun with this, it's really entertaining to see this organisation go to an unexpected Cup Final, then unexpectedly draft the 2021 Black Sheep of minor hockey (to the dismay of all in the hockey world), then lose their alledged 2nd centre to a welfare organisation, before trading for a solid centre.

I mean, it's solid Reality TV. Lucky that Montreal Media is tame these days. I mean, that would have warranted a full season of Lance et Compte from Réjeaune.

I know you guys think he's a very capable VP of hockey ops. And Molson seems to agree to a certain degree (although three years is a bit of a 'kiss of death' contract for such an experienced guy). I don't.

You know what? I think the tables have turned. I think Lou Lamoriello SHOULD NOW be the model for this organisation. Because that's the Habs I used to know. One that had a good grasp of its DNA. Of its raison d'être.

What we lived this summer (Cup Run), for 70% of this forum, was unique. For us farts it was a blast from the past, the most fun we had in decades. And we had the internets to share it with others!!! What we lived this summer was exciting for all (although you seemed detached for most of the run, at least from this forum - that seemed united in positivity for once). But it shouldn't be just a unique run. It should be something that can happen a lot more times.

It's funny, I hear people write on this forum : "well, you know, it's not like the old days where there were 20 teams in the league. We have 32 teams now." And I agree. But why is it seemingly easy for a small organisation like Tampa Bay to be dominant in the middle part of the 2000's with a couple of superstars like St-Louis and Lecavalier and THEN rise again from the ashes in the 2010-2020's and win two more cups (poised to win more) with another generation of uber talented players? Why? Why can't it be the Montreal f***ing Canadiens? The Yankees seem to do it all the time. A franchise that had as many World Series as we had Cups when baseball had no more than twentysomething teams. Yet, they still do produce competitive and contending teams.

These organisations do it because they respect their DNA. They know that in order to win, you need to have developed a stable, multi generational identity, and stick to it. At all costs. The Montreal Canadiens were known for developing organically. Tampa does it. The Yanks (and they do go after big UFAs, and spend like crazy) too. All winning franchises do it the right way.

We have become the Dallas Cowboys of hockey : we spend through the roof, but we don't develop home-grown talent. We try to win strickly by trade or UFAs. That is not the Montreal Canadiens I know.

So that is why Bergevin failed in my opinion (just that of a single fan). The fabric of this team has always been to develop its core. He had a great start when he came in. It derailed.

Cheers.
 

dinodebino

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Habs land is beginning to be a bit unbearable. Every transaction is flooded by people who hate MB no matter what and reactionaries who defend MB at all costs, even towards fans with tamed optimism.

It's impossible to have a nuanced discussions. Transactions need to be good or bad. Anyone looking at a move from multiple perspectives gets attacked by both extremes. Take 417 for example. because he's more nuanced, his posts are attacked by haters of MB and defenders of MB. Depending on who is responding to him, he's both accused as a MB lover and hater.

It's a little ridiculous now.

That, I agree.
 
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His next most used wingers were Armia and Perry!

You can try and spin this all day it won't change the fact that KK played with good wingers the entire season.

There is no spin, just pure ice time stats.
If anything it highlight how unstable his line(s) were.
 

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Loving your team, and I do and probably for longer than you, doesn't mean we have to agree with the way the team is run.

I'm of the school of thought that building a solid foundation needs a real rooted plan of developing organic talent. You cannot win by trading and buying players. That's how it's been since the foundation of the league, aside from 1 or 2 outlier teams a la 1994 Rags.

I won't delve into the glorious past of this team, even though all tradition-rich pro sports organisations do maintain a certain decorum proper to its roots (Packers, Man U, Steelers, Yanks, etc.).

Montreal (and it was shown here), is just not 'gifted' in drafting and developing home-grown talent. It just can't do it. Inexplicably.

See, Lou Lamoriello always said that he modeled his organisations on that of the Montreal Canadiens of old. Some younger posters here find Lou's method to be arcane, old-fashioned. Yet, I consider Lou to be the best GM in the league, and probably one of the top 5 in the history of the league. And players RESPECT his methods.

This is exactly what should happen to this organisation. Because that's in this organisation's DNA. Just like the Packers, the Steelers, the Yanks and others have theirs and abide by it through thick and thin.

Under this management team, all I see is improv. Good improv. Great reality TV, TBH. I mean, we ARE entertained. All the time. I have fun with this, it's really entertaining to see this organisation go to an unexpected Cup Final, then unexpectedly draft the 2021 Black Sheep of minor hockey (to the dismay of all in the hockey world), then lose their alledged 2nd centre to a welfare organisation, before trading for a solid centre.

I mean, it's solid Reality TV. Lucky that Montreal Media is tame these days. I mean, that would have warranted a full season of Lance et Compte from Réjeaune.

I know you guys think he's a very capable VP of hockey ops. And Molson seems to agree to a certain degree (although three years is a bit of a 'kiss of death' contract for such an experienced guy). I don't.

You know what? I think the tables have turned. I think Lou Lamoriello SHOULD NOW be the model for this organisation. Because that's the Habs I used to know. One that had a good grasp of its DNA. Of its raison d'être.

What we lived this summer (Cup Run), for 70% of this forum, was unique. For us farts it was a blast from the past, the most fun we had in decades. And we had the internets to share it with others!!! What we lived this summer was exciting for all (although you seemed detached for most of the run, at least from this forum - that seemed united in positivity for once). But it shouldn't be just a unique run. It should be something that can happen a lot more times.

It's funny, I hear people write on this forum : "well, you know, it's not like the old days where there were 20 teams in the league. We have 32 teams now." And I agree. But why is it seemingly easy for a small organisation like Tampa Bay to be dominant in the middle part of the 2000's with a couple of superstars like St-Louis and Lecavalier and THEN rise again from the ashes in the 2010-2020's and win two more cups (poised to win more) with another generation of uber talented players? Why? Why can't it be the Montreal f***ing Canadiens? The Yankees seem to do it all the time. A franchise that had as many World Series as we had Cups when baseball had no more than twentysomething teams. Yet, they still do produce competitive and contending teams.

These organisations do it because they respect their DNA. They know that in order to win, you need to have developed a stable, multi generational identity, and stick to it. At all costs. The Montreal Canadiens were known for developing organically. Tampa does it. The Yanks (and they do go after big UFAs, and spend like crazy) too. All winning franchises do it the right way.

We have become the Dallas Cowboys of hockey : we spend through the roof, but we don't develop home-grown talent. We try to win strickly by trade or UFAs. That is not the Montreal Canadiens I know.

So that is why Bergevin failed in my opinion (just that of a single fan). The fabric of this team has always been to develop its core. He had a great start when he came in. It derailed.

Cheers.
nice post Dino :clap:
 

jaffy27

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There is no spin, just pure ice time stats.
If anything it highlight how unstable his line(s) were.
Well, he better get used to it as the Athletic beat writer for the Canes was on with Marinaro today and she said Brind’Amour LOVES to switch his lines around, so nothing will change for ol KK
 

Mudz

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Habs land is beginning to be a bit unbearable. Every transaction is flooded by people who hate MB no matter what and reactionaries who defend MB at all costs, even towards fans with tamed optimism.

It's impossible to have a nuanced discussions. Transactions need to be good or bad. Anyone looking at a move from multiple perspectives gets attacked by both extremes. Take 417 for example. because he's more nuanced, his posts are attacked by haters of MB and defenders of MB. Depending on who is responding to him, he's both accused as a MB lover and hater.

It's a little ridiculous now.

It ain't all Habs land, depends on which media you read. For exemple, Twitter is mostly extremes (on most topics). But this place has been bad lately for sure. Came back around the playoff bubble and was surprised on how vile and negative it was.
Thing is, when you have a lot of negativity, you drive the average away, so it's a vicious circle. And then it just becomes an echo chamber.
 
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jaffy27

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Loving your team, and I do and probably for longer than you, doesn't mean we have to agree with the way the team is run.

I'm of the school of thought that building a solid foundation needs a real rooted plan of developing organic talent. You cannot win by trading and buying players. That's how it's been since the foundation of the league, aside from 1 or 2 outlier teams a la 1994 Rags.

I won't delve into the glorious past of this team, even though all tradition-rich pro sports organisations do maintain a certain decorum proper to its roots (Packers, Man U, Steelers, Yanks, etc.).

Montreal (and it was shown here), is just not 'gifted' in drafting and developing home-grown talent. It just can't do it. Inexplicably.

See, Lou Lamoriello always said that he modeled his organisations on that of the Montreal Canadiens of old. Some younger posters here find Lou's method to be arcane, old-fashioned. Yet, I consider Lou to be the best GM in the league, and probably one of the top 5 in the history of the league. And players RESPECT his methods.

This is exactly what should happen to this organisation. Because that's in this organisation's DNA. Just like the Packers, the Steelers, the Yanks and others have theirs and abide by it through thick and thin.

Under this management team, all I see is improv. Good improv. Great reality TV, TBH. I mean, we ARE entertained. All the time. I have fun with this, it's really entertaining to see this organisation go to an unexpected Cup Final, then unexpectedly draft the 2021 Black Sheep of minor hockey (to the dismay of all in the hockey world), then lose their alledged 2nd centre to a welfare organisation, before trading for a solid centre.

I mean, it's solid Reality TV. Lucky that Montreal Media is tame these days. I mean, that would have warranted a full season of Lance et Compte from Réjeaune.

I know you guys think he's a very capable VP of hockey ops. And Molson seems to agree to a certain degree (although three years is a bit of a 'kiss of death' contract for such an experienced guy). I don't.

You know what? I think the tables have turned. I think Lou Lamoriello SHOULD NOW be the model for this organisation. Because that's the Habs I used to know. One that had a good grasp of its DNA. Of its raison d'être.

What we lived this summer (Cup Run), for 70% of this forum, was unique. For us farts it was a blast from the past, the most fun we had in decades. And we had the internets to share it with others!!! What we lived this summer was exciting for all (although you seemed detached for most of the run, at least from this forum - that seemed united in positivity for once). But it shouldn't be just a unique run. It should be something that can happen a lot more times.

It's funny, I hear people write on this forum : "well, you know, it's not like the old days where there were 20 teams in the league. We have 32 teams now." And I agree. But why is it seemingly easy for a small organisation like Tampa Bay to be dominant in the middle part of the 2000's with a couple of superstars like St-Louis and Lecavalier and THEN rise again from the ashes in the 2010-2020's and win two more cups (poised to win more) with another generation of uber talented players? Why? Why can't it be the Montreal f***ing Canadiens? The Yankees seem to do it all the time. A franchise that had as many World Series as we had Cups when baseball had no more than twentysomething teams. Yet, they still do produce competitive and contending teams.

These organisations do it because they respect their DNA. They know that in order to win, you need to have developed a stable, multi generational identity, and stick to it. At all costs. The Montreal Canadiens were known for developing organically. Tampa does it. The Yanks (and they do go after big UFAs, and spend like crazy) too. All winning franchises do it the right way.

We have become the Dallas Cowboys of hockey : we spend through the roof, but we don't develop home-grown talent. We try to win strickly by trade or UFAs. That is not the Montreal Canadiens I know.

So that is why Bergevin failed in my opinion (just that of a single fan). The fabric of this team has always been to develop its core. He had a great start when he came in. It derailed.

Cheers.
Nicely written……I don’t agree with it all but I respect your points, I really admire your POV’s and the way you came across

bravo :clap:
 

417

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Habs land is beginning to be a bit unbearable. Every transaction is flooded by people who hate MB no matter what and reactionaries who defend MB at all costs, even towards fans with tamed optimism.

It's impossible to have a nuanced discussions. Transactions need to be good or bad. Anyone looking at a move from multiple perspectives gets attacked by both extremes. Take 417 for example. because he's more nuanced, his posts are attacked by haters of MB and defenders of MB. Depending on who is responding to him, he's both accused as a MB lover and hater.

It's a little ridiculous now.
Yeah I'm an MB lover or hater depending on who I'm responding too lol.

I've tried to stay away from MB related posts...but it's kinda impossible.
 

417

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Wow man, you guys are just unbelievable.

KK in his rookie year put up 34 points playing with Lehkonen and Armia the entire year.

2 years pass and this year he mainly gets to play with Toffoli and Anderson and he does worse than his rookie year and it's somehow on the coaches and organization for his lack of progression?

Great...
For 85 ES minutes...TOTAL.

Which represented his most "consistent" linemates.

Somehow, you think this proves he had some stability this year.
 

OnTheRun

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Well, he better get used to it as the Athletic beat writer for the Canes was on with Marinaro today and she said Brind’Amour LOVES to switch his lines around, so nothing will change for ol KK

Well impossible to quantify that until it actually happen. Could very much be the same/better/worse.

But I think it's fair to assume that both the Habs and Canes won't go out of their ways to make their shiny new toys look like dud. We'll have final answer at the end of the year anyways so no need to overthink that.
 
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Belial

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Loving your team, and I do and probably for longer than you, doesn't mean we have to agree with the way the team is run.

I'm of the school of thought that building a solid foundation needs a real rooted plan of developing organic talent. You cannot win by trading and buying players. That's how it's been since the foundation of the league, aside from 1 or 2 outlier teams a la 1994 Rags.

I won't delve into the glorious past of this team, even though all tradition-rich pro sports organisations do maintain a certain decorum proper to its roots (Packers, Man U, Steelers, Yanks, etc.).

Montreal (and it was shown here), is just not 'gifted' in drafting and developing home-grown talent. It just can't do it. Inexplicably.

See, Lou Lamoriello always said that he modeled his organisations on that of the Montreal Canadiens of old. Some younger posters here find Lou's method to be arcane, old-fashioned. Yet, I consider Lou to be the best GM in the league, and probably one of the top 5 in the history of the league. And players RESPECT his methods.

This is exactly what should happen to this organisation. Because that's in this organisation's DNA. Just like the Packers, the Steelers, the Yanks and others have theirs and abide by it through thick and thin.

Under this management team, all I see is improv. Good improv. Great reality TV, TBH. I mean, we ARE entertained. All the time. I have fun with this, it's really entertaining to see this organisation go to an unexpected Cup Final, then unexpectedly draft the 2021 Black Sheep of minor hockey (to the dismay of all in the hockey world), then lose their alledged 2nd centre to a welfare organisation, before trading for a solid centre.

I mean, it's solid Reality TV. Lucky that Montreal Media is tame these days. I mean, that would have warranted a full season of Lance et Compte from Réjeaune.

I know you guys think he's a very capable VP of hockey ops. And Molson seems to agree to a certain degree (although three years is a bit of a 'kiss of death' contract for such an experienced guy). I don't.

You know what? I think the tables have turned. I think Lou Lamoriello SHOULD NOW be the model for this organisation. Because that's the Habs I used to know. One that had a good grasp of its DNA. Of its raison d'être.

What we lived this summer (Cup Run), for 70% of this forum, was unique. For us farts it was a blast from the past, the most fun we had in decades. And we had the internets to share it with others!!! What we lived this summer was exciting for all (although you seemed detached for most of the run, at least from this forum - that seemed united in positivity for once). But it shouldn't be just a unique run. It should be something that can happen a lot more times.

It's funny, I hear people write on this forum : "well, you know, it's not like the old days where there were 20 teams in the league. We have 32 teams now." And I agree. But why is it seemingly easy for a small organisation like Tampa Bay to be dominant in the middle part of the 2000's with a couple of superstars like St-Louis and Lecavalier and THEN rise again from the ashes in the 2010-2020's and win two more cups (poised to win more) with another generation of uber talented players? Why? Why can't it be the Montreal f***ing Canadiens? The Yankees seem to do it all the time. A franchise that had as many World Series as we had Cups when baseball had no more than twentysomething teams. Yet, they still do produce competitive and contending teams.

These organisations do it because they respect their DNA. They know that in order to win, you need to have developed a stable, multi generational identity, and stick to it. At all costs. The Montreal Canadiens were known for developing organically. Tampa does it. The Yanks (and they do go after big UFAs, and spend like crazy) too. All winning franchises do it the right way.

We have become the Dallas Cowboys of hockey : we spend through the roof, but we don't develop home-grown talent. We try to win strickly by trade or UFAs. That is not the Montreal Canadiens I know.

So that is why Bergevin failed in my opinion (just that of a single fan). The fabric of this team has always been to develop its core. He had a great start when he came in. It derailed.

Cheers.
Dino, I respect your opinion but give me a break please, this is not what I'm even talking about.

I never said you had to love everything Begevin or this organization does and never question moves and criticize decisions!

But there's clearly a huge cluster of posters on this board that does just that with no f***ing nuance whatsoever!

It's always bad and never good, not even good but maybe good... It's not even debatable that it's the worst decision ever made!

Every time we acquire someone the first 2 pages are all about how Bergevin f***ed up once again and set this franchise 100 years back.

I mean I just read an @Andy post talking about nuanced opinions and stuff, really?

When 80% of the posts around here are negative how can you expect a nuanced discussion?

This team just made the SCF for the first time in like forever but the narrative on the board didn't change whatsoever!

Fire Bergevin 24/7, it was luck, cinderella, Price and nothing else...

We just lost KK to a predatory offer sheet and you have plenty of posters around here defending Carolina and blaming the management.

I mean WTF? :facepalm:
 

dinodebino

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I sincerely think Bergevin is a good guy that wears his heart on his sleeve. Maybe too good of a guy. I remember when the 2005 draft came around, Benoit Pouliot had his fans within the org. But it’s Gainey who put his foot down and had the team draft Price. Bergevin liked Reilly in 2012, but let Timmins choose Chucky. In 2018, he liked Brady (or Quinn can’t remember), but let Timmins pick KK.

Maybe, just maybe Bergevin should do like Bob and put his foot down at the table. Heck, he seems a better judge of talent than his gym partner.

I wrote this in jest btw. Half joking.
 
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dinodebino

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Dino, I respect your opinion but give me a break please, this is not what I'm even talking about.

I never said you had to love everything Begevin or this organization does and never question moves and criticize decisions!

But there's clearly a huge cluster of posters on this board that does just that with no f***ing nuance whatsoever!

It's always bad and never good, not even good but maybe good... It's not even debatable that it's the worst decision ever made!

Every time we acquire someone the first 2 pages are all about how Bergevin f***ed up once again and set this franchise 100 years back.

I mean I just read an @Andy post talking about nuanced opinions and stuff, really?

When 80% of the posts around here are negative how can you expect a nuanced discussion?

This team just made the SCF for the first time in like forever but the narrative on the board didn't change whatsoever!

Fire Bergevin 24/7, it was luck, cinderella, Price and nothing else...

We just lost KK to a predatory offer sheet and you have plenty of posters around here defending Carolina and blaming the management.

I mean WTF? :facepalm:
I agree with you. Polarization is everywhere.
 

Sorinth

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You are beyond delusional if you think that sending an OS last season is even comparable to a 21 year old 3rd overall pick.

Please don't bother me with your witch hunt for MB.....it is pathetic.

Delusional is thinking anyone anywhere gives someone a 6 million dollar contract while hoping they don't actually end up under contract.
 
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