Marc Bergevin Press Conference 1 PM

[Bouboumaster]

While we're here:

 

[Belial]

Don't know who those people are...I'm just saying, the constant barrage of posts demanding he be fired are kind of played out for me.

Because it assumes the alternative, whatever alternative, is better.

Probably a rookie GM that will learn on the job... Great...

 

[Sorinth]

Are you even following the discussion?

Carolina if they really wanted him should've offered more than a first and a third assuring themselves that KK wouldn't go anywhere next season.

As per reports they never offered more than the offer sheet compensation.

What's with this if they really wanted him nonsense? There's no reason to believe that MB's ask was at all reasonable and so Carolina decided rather then overpay using picks/prospect/players they would overpay with cap space. It's the perfectly sensible thing to do if they really wanted the player but the trade demands from MB were too high.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

Thank you so much! This is a fantastic community with my favourite posters doing a great job as per usual. I’m officially gone from this forum and will miss the banter. Thanks for the opportunity throughout the years and keep yourselves well. You might find me on other forums, so please say hi. All the best!

Ah man I'm sad to read that, you definitely were one of my favorite posters... really sad to see you leave.

Take care man, whatever you do, had a lot of fun reading you, these boards will miss you.

 

[OnTheRun]

Yes so the logic here is to keep the asset and not loosing a first round pick for nothing.

You can crap on Bergevin all day long but since he's here he never lost a valuable asset for nothing.

KK was basically transformed into Dvorak.

We'll see how that develops over the years.

But Carolina with this stupid offer sheet just risked losing a first-rounder for absolutely nothing if KK walks as a UFA next season.

The smarter thing to do was to slightly overpay in a trade if they really wanted KK and keep him under control without the risk of losing him for nothing.

And? They took a gamble ultimately they will either win or lose. Overpaying, as in giving more than a 1st+3rd, in a trade doesn't make thing better for them if the player don't pan out, give your head a shake here.

 

[Belial]

What's with this if they really wanted him nonsense? There's no reason to believe that MB's ask was at all reasonable and so Carolina decided rather then overpay using picks/prospect/players they would overpay with cap space. It's the perfectly sensible thing to do if they really wanted the player but the trade demands from MB were too high.

Ask? Who said Bergevin even asked something from Carolina? They apparently tried to get him and never offered more than 1 first and a third.

What's really crazy is all these posters trying to defend Carolina on this Habs board while being apparently Habs fans.

 

[Belial]

And? They took a gamble ultimately they will either win or lose. Overpaying, as in giving more than a 1st+3rd, in a trade doesn't make thing better for them if the player don't pan out, give your head a shake here.

Overpaying in a trade guarantees them control over the asset for his RFA years without needing to offer him a nonsensical 6.1M$ salary.

Give your head a shake, please.

 

[jaffy27]

I’m pretty sure the Canes were not offering a 1st and 3rd. They probably had a player plus a pick or picks in mind. In the end, this OS made sense to them if they wanted KK while giving the finger to Bergy also.

They got their player……now produce KK, or that 6.1m$ contract will get shoved in your face.

 

[CHwest]

Ha ha, he looks like a street bum that just crawled out of the shower.

 

[OnTheRun]

Overpaying in a trade guarantees them control over the asset for his RFA years without needing to offer him a nonsensical 6.1M$ salary.

Give your head a shake, please.

No one give a shit about having control over an asset who sucks. YOU clearly stated it as IF he doesn't do well in Carolina.

Wow I'm glad I paid more than needed so to keep control over a bust, said Belial doubling down on his previously asinine idea.

 

[jaffy27]

Ask? Who said Bergevin even asked something from Carolina? They apparently tried to get him and never offered more than 1 first and a third.

What's really crazy is all these posters trying to defend Carolina on this Habs board while being apparently Habs fans.

It’s always the same rhetoric, praise the players on other teams while shitting on ours…..and they do it day in and day out, every day, every week, every month and every year…..every move and every player.

 

[jaffy27]

Ha ha, he looks like a street bum that just crawled out of the shower.

With 18 inch biceps and a 50 inch chest with a 200$ shirt……y’a, looks just like a bum

 

[Frankenheimer]

I’m still not quite understanding, with all due respect, how or why you think the Canes didn’t really want KK when they sent an offer sheet for him and we’re trying to trade for him.

Maybe they’re much more comfortable overpaying in salary for 1 year than overpaying in assets.

and given it’s just for 1 year and they have the cap space.

why the hell not?

I think this whole thing was about revenge especially when you look at Carolina’s needs. KK does not address a need. They were fully expecting the Habs to match.

Yes, they kicked the tires on a trade. But it could have been a trial balloon intended to see what the Habs were likely to accept. They probably figured the return wasn’t enough for Bergevin not to match based on his initial reactions to a trade offer. It gave them insight into his valuation of kk.

What they didn’t count on is the fact he had a whole week to explore the market with his two new picks while always knowing he could match if nothing turned up. Which means he could dream and even overpay. The conditions gave him permission and the excuses needed to make the deal.

 

[CHwest]

With 18 inch biceps and a 50 inch chest with a 200$ shirt……y’a, looks just like a bum

I see you like.

 

[Sorinth]

Ask? Who said Bergevin even asked something from Carolina? They apparently tried to get him and never offered more than 1 first and a third.

What's really crazy is all these posters trying to defend Carolina on this Habs board while being apparently Habs fans.

If Bergevin didn't make a counter it's just one more reason for Carolina to go the offersheet route. There's no point in negotiated with someone who doesn't want to negotiate when there's a perfectly viable alternative.

What's crazy to me is that people think that if you are a fan you shouldn't evaluate things critically or it makes you somehow less of a fan.

 

[Belial]

It’s always the same rhetoric, praise the players on other teams while shitting on ours…..and they do it day in and day out, every day, every week, every month and every year…..every move and every player.

Ridiculous really, I don't even understand how this can bring joy into your life. Just shitting on your so-called loved team 24/7 and it somehow makes you feel better... I mean I hope it makes them feel better at least...

Cuz if it doesn't make you feel better and you're still doing that's f***ed up.

 

[jaffy27]

I see you like.

Ya, was pretty much me in my peak, we should all strive to be taking care of our bodies like Berge

 

[417]

I think this whole thing was about revenge especially when you look at Carolina’s needs. KK does not address a need. They were fully expecting the Habs to match.

Expecting? Sure...

Not prepared for the potential of them not matching?

Nah, no way.

Which ultimately means they were fully prepared to have the player at that salary.

Yes, they kicked the tires on a trade. But it could have been a trial balloon intended to see what the Habs were likely to accept. They probably figured the return wasn’t enough for Bergevin not to match based on his initial reactions to a trade offer. It gave them insight into his valuation of kk.

Yes clearly...which to me indicated that the offer sheet compensation was the best offer the Canes were offering.

If in the back of your mind you know that you're going to send an OS, why would you offer more in a trade?

Doesn't add up to me.

What they didn’t count on is the fact he had a whole week to explore the market with his two new picks while always knowing he could match if nothing turned up. Which means he could dream and even overpay. The conditions gave him permission and the excuses needed to make the deal.

Teams have 7 days to match...this isn't news to anyone.

 

[417]

Ya, was pretty much me in my peak, we should all strive to be taking care of our bodies like Berge

Some of us just don't age

 

[CHwest]

Probably a rookie GM that will learn on the job... Great...

Years of bubble action, time to change.

 

[phillytennis]

Ha ha, he looks like a street bum that just crawled out of the shower.

CHwest... you don't like style...you sound jealous.

 

[covfefe]

Ya, was pretty much me in my peak, we should all strive to be taking care of our bodies like Berge

Pretty confident Berge has ripped a few Tren cycles

 

[phillytennis]

I'm out. That's the last straw for me. 3 year extension after forfeiting a #3 overall pick. What a joke of an organization. Drafted a sex offender, lose 2 centers and put our franchise player on an expansion list to protect Jake "Choke City" Allen...

Congrats Geoff, you've finally managed to make this team as awful as your beer

Geoff is a good guy...get rid your negative, sad and jealous attitude.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

“We give the same tools to every player in our organization to reach their full potential. Some do, some don't…”

Couldn’t have summed up the Habs failures in player development for 2 decades any better than this statement

To think different players might require different tools is such a foreign concept. I mean children from the same parents under the same roof turn out the same all the time, no way they could need different support to reach their potential.

 

[habmercy]

I think Bergevin said it very well. Whether they were trying to be manipulative or not Carolina put a $6.1 million price tag on KK along with a first and a third and Bergevin said sold. A contract was signed and Bergevin doesn't need to know the rest. As he said in the interview KK has the answers to these questions. Whether Waddell made a good choice or not and the reason he did it has nothing to do with the Habs. I think it ended up very well for my team. Carolina fans (and some of their players) may be scratching their heads in a few months. Only time will tell, but KK has a lot to live up to now.