Marc Bergevin Press Conference 1 PM

[jaffy27]

Agile retooling? Lol

KK, CC and Drouin, he got from sucking because he didn't plan for an aging Markov, while on the other hand was forced to trade a guy like Pacioretty.

The lows less deep? Without Covid, it would've been 4-5 years without making the playoffs (habs record is 3). Would've tied 6 years withput winning a round, in all likelyhood.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

So when we draft good players it's because we suck and when we are successful, it's because of Covid, and if we are middle of the pack then it's the worst draft position to be in........please tell us the scenario that makes you happy because it's clear wherever we land you're gonna bitch about it.

Failure, success, luck....you got all your whining angles covered

 

[jaffy27]

The option to trade KK to the Canes then flips the pick to Yotes was there before the OS came down, and it wasn't something Marc was interested to pursue... Until he got steered by outside forces into that path.




The one we got.
And for all intends and purposes, we got 2 lottery tickets, but only can become a top10 picks for us, even if both are winners. Not that different from what we started with.

so you can confirm that the Canes were offering a 1st and 3rd? you have a link?.....I mean your answer is pretty stern so you must've seen it somewhere.

As for the lottery, if Canes shit the bed and finish 8th last then we never would've had that pick.....we do now.

 

[jaffy27]

He definitely worked hard. Players just don’t seem to get along with Bergevin and local players don’t ever stay.

Have local players ever came besides the end of their respective careers?

Don't get along with Bergevin?? According to what information are you basing this on?

 

[jaffy27]

Yeah another 3 years of the Bin. Who wouldn’t be excited about that?

I suppose it’s like the people who keep buying lottery tickets, hoping they’ll win one day.

but then you win one day....because someone always wins

 

[Miller Time]

So when we draft good players it's because we suck and when we are successful, it's because of Covid, and if we are middle of the pack then it's the worst draft position to be in........please tell us the scenario that makes you happy because it's clear wherever we land you're gonna bitch about it.

Failure, success, luck....you got all your whining angles covered

Let's start with a season where we win more games than we lose... which we've done 1x in the last 4... which coincides with the roster turnover reflecting his body of work...

Some of you seem to really value mediocrity, which is fine. No need to complain so much about those on this site that want to see a franchise focused on a higher standard.

 

[417]

Yeah another 3 years of the Bin. Who wouldn’t be excited about that?

I suppose it’s like the people who keep buying lottery tickets, hoping they’ll win one day.

If you can get me excited about an alternative…by all means.

 

[Belial]

so you can confirm that the Canes were offering a 1st and 3rd? you have a link?.....I mean your answer is pretty stern so you must've seen it somewhere.

As for the lottery, if Canes shit the bed and finish 8th last then we never would've had that pick.....we do now.

Even if the Canes offered a first and a third in a trade there was no reason to trade KK for that return and let the Canes sign him to a good contract.

At the end of the day, we got the same return but they overpaid in salary and risked losing him for nothing come next year.

 

[OnTheRun]

so you can confirm that the Canes were offering a 1st and 3rd? you have a link?.....I mean your answer is pretty stern so you must've seen it somewhere.

As for the lottery, if Canes shit the bed and finish 8th last then we never would've had that pick.....we do now.

Not sure why you need "confirmation" when the Canes literally just paid a 1st and 3rd to get KK but whatever here, Tribute - Jesperi Kotkaniemi - Goodbye and Good Luck

There is no need for mental gymnastic here, the Canes even gave an heads up to the Habs before dropping the OS. So you know that the trade offer mirror the compensation of the OS.

 

[sandviper]

so you can confirm that the Canes were offering a 1st and 3rd? you have a link?.....I mean your answer is pretty stern so you must've seen it somewhere.

As for the lottery, if Canes shit the bed and finish 8th last then we never would've had that pick.....we do now.

I’m pretty sure the Canes were not offering a 1st and 3rd. They probably had a player plus a pick or picks in mind. In the end, this OS made sense to them if they wanted KK while giving the finger to Bergy also.

 

[Ozmodiar]

So you're going against what was reported (and basic logic as well, it make no sense to offer less in a trade than what you are willing to let go as compensation).

Berge said in the presser that they were definitely more satisfied with the OS compensation compared to what was offered in the trade. They refused the trade knowing compensation would be higher.

your logic is letting you down.

 

[HostileCapSpace]

I wish I knew the offers Carolina made prior to offer sheet. It sounds like Habs were entertaining them so definitely didn’t see KK as a core untouchable asset.

I have a feeling Habs were still high on KK at the start of the season but they changed their tune when they saw no real improvement this year. That's how I feel anyway.

 

[Ozmodiar]

I’m pretty sure the Canes were not offering a 1st and 3rd. They probably had a player plus a pick or picks in mind. In the end, this OS made sense to them if they wanted KK while giving the finger to Bergy also.

Yep. MB says as much in the presser.

 

[Sorinth]

I’m pretty sure the Canes were not offering a 1st and 3rd. They probably had a player plus a pick or picks in mind. In the end, this OS made sense to them if they wanted KK while giving the finger to Bergy also.

That makes no sense, why would they not be willing to offer a 1st and 3rd when it means that they would be able to sign KK long term for less. You can argue maybe argue they weren't willing to go beyond a 1st and 3rd because they valued any extras more then cap space but even that is a stretch. A trade is always going to be preferable to an offer sheet because the only way the offer sheet isn't accepted is by overpaying by a lot.

 

[HostileCapSpace]

Did Bergevin actually say this? Didn’t hear it in the presser when I listened.

No.

 

[nhlfan9191]

So when we draft good players it's because we suck and when we are successful, it's because of Covid, and if we are middle of the pack then it's the worst draft position to be in........please tell us the scenario that makes you happy because it's clear wherever we land you're gonna bitch about it.

Failure, success, luck....you got all your whining angles covered

Majority of our success is hugely in part of Covid and how it effected the format for the playoffs the past two seasons. That’s just fact. Anyone even trying to debate that is delusional. And the anger that comes from the majority of the fanbase is the lack of picking a direction. If we’re going to suck, atleast go all in for a few years. Don’t sit there doing the bare minimum to make the playoffs by wasting 1st round picks on 30-40 point players. Bergevin gets no credit for getting those players in down years because he’s apparently building teams that shouldn’t be having down years in the first place.

 

[OnTheRun]

Berge said in the presser that they were definitely more satisfied with the OS compensation compared to what was offered in the trade. They refused the trade knowing compensation would be higher.

your logic is letting you down.

Yeah man that phone call probably went like this...

W: Hey Marc, my man. I'm about to offer sheet your boy KK, so you can either take my 2nd and 5th or I'll inflate KK's salary threefold and you get a 1st and a 3rd at the end of the week, what say you! Final offer btw no takie back.
B: Uh wait, what?

 

[Ozmodiar]

Agreed!

He did say that landing DVO made their decision easier.
so …
I suspect they wouldn’t have matched, either way. Too many comments from him on their salary structure, upcoming RFA’s, etc.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Yeah man that phone call probably went like this...

W: Hey Marc, my man. I'm about to offer sheet your boy KK, so you can either take my 2nd and 5th or I'll inflate KK's salary threefold and you get a 1st and a 3rd at the end of the week, what say you! Final offer btw no takie back.
B: Uh wait, what?

Yeah, probably.

 

[Belial]

Yep. MB says as much in the presser.

Then the Canes are dumb as f*** or this just once again confirms they didn't really want the player.

It made a lot more sense to give a little more in a trade than the compensation and then sign him to a sensible deal long-term instead of this stupid overpayment offer sheet they offered.

 

[OnTheRun]

Yeah, probably.

I also happen to be a Nigerian Prince and I have a pretty good offer you.

 

[Ozmodiar]

I also happen to be a Nigerian Prince and I have a pretty good offer you.

I’ll take it!

 

[Belial]

That makes no sense, why would they not be willing to offer a 1st and 3rd when it means that they would be able to sign KK long term for less. You can argue maybe argue they weren't willing to go beyond a 1st and 3rd because they valued any extras more then cap space but even that is a stretch. A trade is always going to be preferable to an offer sheet because the only way the offer sheet isn't accepted is by overpaying by a lot.

Well, it kinda confirms they didn't really want him and just tried to screw us up.

If they indeed wanted him the smartest thing was to get him in a trade even if overpaying a little over that compensation threshold.

 

[sandviper]

That makes no sense, why would they not be willing to offer a 1st and 3rd when it means that they would be able to sign KK long term for less. You can argue maybe argue they weren't willing to go beyond a 1st and 3rd because they valued any extras more then cap space but even that is a stretch. A trade is always going to be preferable to an offer sheet because the only way the offer sheet isn't accepted is by overpaying by a lot.

They have Necas to extend next season. I didn’t go up and down their roster, but they may had offered a player, picks and maybe a cap dump. Who knows? Point is, they may had decided they’ll just give up the 1st and 3rd and maybe move assets later.

It’s also possible they had a 1st and 3rd on the table plus maybe a player which may not had been enough for Bergy. Maybe Bergy was interested, but he wanted also x, y and z and this was just going back and forth and going nowhere.

So with that said, they went the OS route which they deemed a sure thing and hassle free way to try to get the player they wanted.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I thought I read somewhere that Bergevin mentioned Aho becoming a UFA in 2024. Did I misread it or did he actually say that?

 

[417]

Well, it kinda confirms they didn't really want him and just tried to screw us up.

If they indeed wanted him the smartest thing was to get him in a trade even if overpaying a little over that compensation threshold.

I’m still not quite understanding, with all due respect, how or why you think the Canes didn’t really want KK when they sent an offer sheet for him and we’re trying to trade for him.

Maybe they’re much more comfortable overpaying in salary for 1 year than overpaying in assets.

and given it’s just for 1 year and they have the cap space.

why the hell not?