Marc Bergevin Press Conference 1 PM

[26Mats]

for all way you wanna see it , KK draft/trade/OS has been a failure even if we got a better play at the end of all this.

You shouldnt be trading a 3oa for a guy with 39 points after 3 years you drafted him.

Always draft the best player available. Will MB/Timmins ever learn?

Or, in Timmins' case, just draft the best D available if uncertain. Timmins has a much better record drafting Dmen than forwards, especially centers. Will Poehling or Evans be his first successful Centers? In the meantime, stop throwing picks out the window on centers!

 

[WeThreeKings]

I really don't. He was deemed unreliable to be on the ice for important Dzone starts in the playoffs. Then he was deemed unreliable to be in the lineup. Not Evans, not Staal, not Suzuki, not Danault. KK was the one sitting in the stands. Whatever you think you saw on TV wasn't what the coaching staff saw.

The coaching staff also thought Merrill was better to have on the ice than Romanov.

They thought their wingers were all better than Caufield to start the play-offs.

Point is, the coaching staff is f***ing stupid and make wrong decisions all the time based on personal biases that aren't reflected on the ice.

 

[montreal]

For players development, few are mentioning it but Tomas Plekanec was a model of player development for a center (at least, for a center that isn't some gigantic superstar). Yeah, some like Suzuki can hit the ground running, but as soon as it,s clear the player isn't going to be that, just use the Plekanec model.

Plekanec spent three years in Hamilton. Then he came to Montreal and it took three years for him to become the #1 center between Andrei Kostitsyn and Alex Kovalev (though it was more of a 1A/1B arrangement with Saku Koivu). But in almost every year, Plekanec was progressing through the lineup (and probably in Hamilton too). But he also benefitted from not being a 1st rounder; easier to work on yoruself in the minors when you're an obscure 3rd rounder progressing slowly but surely.

Hopefully Ryan Poehling will benefit from last season and be more assertive in his play.

which begs the question, when was the last time we had a top 15 prospect spend 3 years in the AHL before seeing the NHL under MB?

 

[JianYang]

Danault's ideal role is probably going to the beach unrecognized pretty often and not seeing himself on the news while playing a minor role for a team that won't need him when it's good. He wants to enjoy life and not work too hard, understandable.

The kings are not paying him that price to play a minor role..... And "not seeing himself on the news" has no correlation to how hard he works.

 

[OnTheRun]

Circumstances changed after the offer sheet. He based his decision to match, or not match, on that.

The option to trade KK to the Canes then flips the pick to Yotes was there before the OS came down, and it wasn't something Marc was interested to pursue... Until he got steered by outside forces into that path.

what picks were the Canes offering?

Stuck in Neutral?

Like making it to the finals neutral???

Habs now have two shots at a top 10 pick.....this scenario couldn't have worked out better

The one we got.
And for all intends and purposes, we got 2 lottery tickets, but only can become a top10 picks for us, even if both are winners. Not that different from what we started with.

 

[Habaneros]

Always draft the best player available. Will MB/Timmins ever learn?

Or, in Timmins' case, just draft the best D available if uncertain. Timmins has a much better record drafting Dmen than forwards, especially centers. Will Poehling or Evans be his first successful Centers? In the meantime, stop throwing picks out the window on centers!

Brady Tkachuk has turned down 8m x 8 from Sens..just imagine if we drafted him..lol

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Here's the biggest thing here too -

He was mad about the term/money handed to KK in the OS. Which he wasn't prepared for when he turned down the Canes trade offer.
They were after Dvorak since the draft but even Bill Armstrong confirms that he wanted a 1st round pick for Dvorak.
Once they determined they didn't wanna pay the money to KK, they gave in to Coyotes demands (i.e. no one all summer long offered a 1st for Dvorak)
and since he found himself in a bad bargaining position, he managed to get conditions on the firsts where the Coyotes can get the best of the 2.

It's not really masterful. But I guess we should all clap at a Puppy who pisses on the floor but rolls around in it to clean it up.

I love the imagery. I personally would've added the word 'loyal' in front of Puppy.

 

[BLONG7]

Danault's ideal role is probably going to the beach unrecognized pretty often and not seeing himself on the news while playing a minor role for a team that won't need him when it's good. He wants to enjoy life and not work too hard, understandable.

In fairness to Phil, he worked hard, he just for some reason did not understand he has no offense to his game...he sees himself as a 1-2 C who deserves more ice, and better line mates......well, I think he will get that for 20 games or so in LA and once he does, they will have him down the depth chart and working as a #3 guy, which is what we wanted and needed from him, but at a more reasonable price.....bottom line, he wanted out...
Top it off, so did KK................so we had 2 of our 4 centres who thought they were more than they were......

 

[JoelWarlord]

I think the thing that's the most frustrating about Bergevin's tenure is we had a window with prime Carey Price at Hart + Vezina level form, Pacioretty as money in the bank 35 goals + elite driving and great two way play, Plekanec as what the ultimate most possible best case for Dvorak will be, Subban at a Norris level and then Weber who aged surprisingly gracefully and those two supplemented by Markov he inherited, and Petry who cost peanuts to acquire. The core was very good and Weber/Petry have aged as gracefully as anyone could have imagined in a league where teams lose their minds to get solid right shot dmen.

He had two 3rd overall picks, walked in to Gallagher who was a 1st line forward from day 1, grabbed Eller who was a great 3C who can play up the lineup in a pinch. Added Radulov for just money, got the Danault/Tatar lightning in a bottle (and perfect timing on Danault replacing Plekanec) and found a line out of nowhere that was as effective as Boston's 1st line at even strength for a fraction of the price. Getting Domi who catches fire and puts up 70 points out of nowhere. All these high end players and core roster pieces, all these prime aged Vezina/Norris level players, all this lightning in a bottle that makes a go-for-it season reasonable, and CHRISTIAN DVORAK is the very first player he's ever traded a 1st round pick for. It's very frustrating and I say that as someone who's pretty high on him. Just really frustrating that after all this time keeping his powder dry, the big splash bold trade here is Dvorak who's not better than Plekanec was.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

You can't find quality Centres unless you draft them yourself. This isn't Playstation, they don't grow on trees. - Paraphrasing

Proceeds to lose 21 year old top prospect centre for meh draft picks.

I have a strong feeling he wouldn’t not have lost KK for meh draft picks if Dvorak deal wasn’t done.

 

[Ozmodiar]

The option to trade KK to the Canes then flips the pick to Yotes was there before the OS came down, and it wasn't something Marc was interested to pursue... Until he got steered by outside forces into that path.

First of all, the return wasn’t the same as the offer sheet compensation. Secondly, KK at 6.1 is not the same as KK on a reasonable bridge deal.

Yeah, he had to react to outside forces (KK not signing bridge, and offer sheet) … like he’s supposed to do.

 

[Ozmodiar]

I have a strong feeling he wouldn’t not have lost KK for meh draft picks if Dvorak deal wasn’t done.

Would have been a good question for the presser.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Would have been a good question for the presser.

Agreed!

 

[OnTheRun]

First of all, the return wasn’t the same as the offer sheet compensation. Secondly, KK at 6.1 is not the same as KK on a reasonable bridge deal.

Yeah, he had to react to outside forces (KK not signing bridge, and offer sheet) … like he’s supposed to do.

So you're going against what was reported (and basic logic as well, it make no sense to offer less in a trade than what you are willing to let go as compensation).

 

[Big Empty]

Did Bergevin actually say this? Didn’t hear it in the presser when I listened.

 

[26Mats]

Brady Tkachuk has turned down 8m x 8 from Sens..just imagine if we drafted him..lol

Suzuki and Caufield are going to cost us. The market is back to going crazy for talent.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I think the thing that's the most frustrating about Bergevin's tenure is we had a window with prime Carey Price at Hart + Vezina level form, Pacioretty as money in the bank 35 goals + elite driving and great two way play, Plekanec as what the ultimate most possible best case for Dvorak will be, Subban at a Norris level and then Weber who aged surprisingly gracefully and those two supplemented by Markov he inherited, and Petry who cost peanuts to acquire. The core was very good and Weber/Petry have aged as gracefully as anyone could have imagined in a league where teams lose their minds to get solid right shot dmen.

He had two 3rd overall picks, walked in to Gallagher who was a 1st line forward from day 1, grabbed Eller who was a great 3C who can play up the lineup in a pinch. Added Radulov for just money, got the Danault/Tatar lightning in a bottle (and perfect timing on Danault replacing Plekanec) and found a line out of nowhere that was as effective as Boston's 1st line at even strength for a fraction of the price. Getting Domi who catches fire and puts up 70 points out of nowhere. All these high end players and core roster pieces, all these prime aged Vezina/Norris level players, all this lightning in a bottle that makes a go-for-it season reasonable, and CHRISTIAN DVORAK is the very first player he's ever traded a 1st round pick for. It's very frustrating and I say that as someone who's pretty high on him. Just really frustrating that after all this time keeping his powder dry, the big splash bold trade here is Dvorak who's not better than Plekanec was.

From the little i know about you, you must be referring to Dvorak and not Bergevin, right?

 

[JoelWarlord]

From the little i know about you, you must be referring to Dvorak and not Bergevin, right?

Yeah, frustrating to me that Dvorak is the first guy Bergevin moved a 1st for even given I'm fairly bullish on Dvorak.

 

[Essenege]

Agile retooling? Lol

KK, CC and Drouin, he got from sucking because he didn't plan for an aging Markov, while on the other hand was forced to trade a guy like Pacioretty.

The lows less deep? Without Covid, it would've been 4-5 years without making the playoffs (habs record is 3). Would've tied 6 years withput winning a round, in all likelyhood.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Oh well. The good ole condescending tone. Keep treating your opinion as gospel, that is a sure sign of higher intelligence. I'll treat mine as what they are, a mere opinion.

 

[webersshot]

While we're here:

Yaaaaaaaaay!

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Yeah another 3 years of the Bin. Who wouldn’t be excited about that?

I suppose it’s like the people who keep buying lottery tickets, hoping they’ll win one day.

 

[Runner77]

This board, is a better place with Runner77 around!!

Thank you so much! This is a fantastic community with my favourite posters doing a great job as per usual. I’m officially gone from this forum and will miss the banter. Thanks for the opportunity throughout the years and keep yourselves well. You might find me on other forums, so please say hi. All the best!

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

I like his work ethic. But unfortunately, being the number 1 C by default went to his head. Sad, he previously had a good head on his shoulders.

Why are we still talking about Desharnais all these years later

 

[OnTheRun]

Thank you so much! This is a fantastic community with my favourite posters doing a great job as per usual. I’m officially gone from this forum and will miss the banter. Thanks for the opportunity throughout the years and keep yourselves well. You might find me on other forums, so please say hi. All the best!

May the Force be with you.

 

[dcyhabs]

In fairness to Phil, he worked hard, he just for some reason did not understand he has no offense to his game...he sees himself as a 1-2 C who deserves more ice, and better line mates......well, I think he will get that for 20 games or so in LA and once he does, they will have him down the depth chart and working as a #3 guy, which is what we wanted and needed from him, but at a more reasonable price.....bottom line, he wanted out...
Top it off, so did KK................so we had 2 of our 4 centres who thought they were more than they were......

He definitely worked hard. Players just don’t seem to get along with Bergevin and local players don’t ever stay.